Belgian Nobility


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Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte of Luxembourg was born Princess of the Belgians.
She died in 2005 .
 
Two of Mathildes favourite fashion designers are in the list of the new nobles: Edouard Vermeulen and Dries Van Noten receive the title of Baron.
 
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Good for them. I just bought new shoes by Van Noten last week. I believe that the court only hands out life peerages these days?
 
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I must say I disagree !
To me Edouard Vermeulen is already Fournisseur de la Cour a must for his Work !

I am for ancestral Baronies and not for Business Nobility.
 
King Filip does not only hand out life peerages, also hereditary peerages:

2014

jonkheer Thibaut de Briey
The King has granted the title of graaf/gravin for him and for his descendants in the male lineage

jonkheer Gaëtan de Briey
The King has granted the title of graaf/gravin for him and for his descendants in the male lineage

baron Paul Buysse
The King has granted the title of graaf/gravin for him and for his descendants in the male lineage

Willem von Westerholt und Gysenberg
The King has granted him title of graaf/gravin, to go with the surname de Westerholt Gysenberg for him and for his descendants in the male lineage

baron Thierry Boon Falleur (already has the personal title of baron)
The King has granted that his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

baron Jean van den Branden (already was baron, only hereditary for the eldest son)
The King has granted that the title of baron/barones is for his descendants in the male lineage

jonkheer Marc du Bois
The King has granted the title of baron/barones for him and for his descendants in the male lineage

Jean Charlent
The King has granted that he and his descendants in the male lineage belong to the nobility with the title baron/barones

Herman Daems
The King has granted that he and his descendants in the male lineage belong to the nobility with the title baron/barones

ridder Guy Hufkens
The King has granted the title of baron/barones for himself and his descendants in the male lineage

Serge Brammertz
The King has granted the title of baron for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Jean-Pierre Hansen
The King has granted the title of baron for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Georges de Leval
The King has granted the title of baron for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Jan Raes
The King has granted the title of baron for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Vic Swerts
The King has granted the title of baron for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Johan Swinnen
The King has granted the title of baron for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Thierry Bosquet
The King has granted the title of ridder for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)

Dirk Brossé
The King has granted the title of ridder for himself: his descendants in the male lineage belong to the untitled nobility (jonkheer/jonkvrouw)
 
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cdm said:
Two of Mathildes favourite fashion designers are in the list of the new nobles: Edouard Vermeulen and Dries Van Noten receive the title of Baron.
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That is frivolous. What is the justification ? Their contribution to the Belgian economy via the fashion industry ? At least, it is only a life title !
 
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What is the difference between mijnheer, meneer, and de heer ? When is each one used ?
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There is hardly any difference.
Mijnheer (mostly followed by the surname) is used in written language.
Meneer, what means the same, is mostly used in spoken language.
de heer is used in the address , on the envelope.

? And watch out use heer, not Heer. De Heer (With a capital) means Our Lord, God.
 
In French for some Nobles the first born is Monsieur, the others have teir name before,
Exemple:
Monsieur et Madame de Lesve
Monsieur et Madame Pierre de Lesve.
Monsieur Christophe de Lesve etc...
 
Is there gentry in Belgian, like British gentry?

Are there Belgian Lords?
 
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Fashionista101 said:
Are there Belgian Lords?
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That is more or less the untitled nobility. They can be addressed with the predicate Jonkheer (Messire) or Jonkvrouw (Demoiselle). In daily speech it is just mijnheer (monsieur) or mevrouw (madame).

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Is there gentry in Belgian, like British gentry?
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There are untitled rich landowners, or families on high positions for generations, but really specified as "the gentry" as a social class. No. Many of these families have been ennobled.

For an example the Boël, Solvay and Janssen families (rich industrialists) were ennobled in the 19th C.
Albert Frère, a milliardaire and steel magnate was ennobled in 1995.
Joseph Colruyt, a milliardaire and mega-retail owner was ennobled in 2012.
So what one possiblty would label as "gentry" often becomes part of the nobility.
 
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I'm writing a novel, inspired by Belgian and Dutch nobility,
Is this the rank of the Belgian and Dutch nobility:
The Royal Family
Prince Houses
Marquis Houses
Count Houses
Viscount Houses
Baron Houses
Lord Houses - The highest of the untitiled nobility
Knight Houses
Ecuyer/Jonkheer Houses.
 
The Hoge Raad van Adel (Haute Conseil de Noblesse), the High Council of Nobility has modified the list with Dutch noble families into the Northern and the Southern Netherlands.

Despite the Southern Netherlands becoming Belgium, and most of the Southern-Netherlands noble families now incorporated in the newly created Belgian Nobility (by recognition of the Dutch Letters Patent), they are still in the Peerage of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and their Adelsdiploma's (Letters Patent) are stored in the archives of the Hoge Raad van Adel in The Hague.

They are considered as "dormant" but the Letters Patent still have legitimacy. When the Belgian Marquis Albert de Preud'homme d'Hailly de Nieuport moved to the Netherlands, his request to become enlisted in the Dutch Nobility (and by doing so, becoming registered in all Dutch offical administrative systems) was approved. Reason: the family already belonged to the Dutch Nobility since 1816 (recognition by the King of the Netherlands of already existing nobility from the Holy Roman Empire).

For an example, the family of Queen Mathilde, the family d'Udekem, was ennobled by King Willem I in 1816 with the baronial rank for the eldest male agnate (recognition of a former status as knights under the Dukes of Brabant). The extension d'Acoz was acquired by marriage. So when -for an example- Queen Mathilde's brother Charles-Henri moves to the Netherlands, he will -without problem- be accepted as Jonkeer d'Udekem, the predicate for younger male agnates of the dynasty. The title Graaf d'Udekem d'Acoz (since 1999) is Belgian, but as Belgium has "a similar system of nobility" (a legal requirement for an incorporation) most likely the Belgian title will be added to the predicate Jonkheer d'Udekem when Charles-Henri would move. Just an example to explain how the system works. ;-)

https://www.hogeraadvanadel.nl/adel...-families/zuid-nederlandse-adellijke-families
 
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I suppose that potentially triples (or more) the amount of Dutch nobles.

Didn't the Countess Leila de Marchant et d' Ansembourg (Dutch nobility despite the French wording of the title) of Amstenrade Castle marry a noble from the Belgian branch of the Dutch van Lidth de Jeude family?
 
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When the children of jonkheer and mevrouw Henri and Leila van Lidth de Jeude née gravin De Marchant et d'Ansembourg are born and registered in the Netherlands, I assume they automatically belong to the Dutch Nobility, without any special request, despite their father being a Belgian.

After all it was the Dutch Sovereign who was the Fons Honorum for the elevation of the family Van Lidth de Jeude. Since there is still a legitimate, recognized and protected Nobility in the Netherlands and since there was no royement (revoking) of the ennoblement, the children belong to the Dutch nobility. Better said: a Belgian branch of the Dutch family has become partly Dutch again.
 
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Is the spouse of a Jonkheer 'Jonkvrouw' or 'Mevrouw?'
And who and/or what exactly is a Jonkheer?
 
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Princess Paola and Prince Charles-Antoine of Assche attended the 'Solve Sundsbo pour Numero' Exhibition Opening in Paris on December 12:


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What about the Belgian/Dutch style of address? For example, what is the wife of a Knight styled as?
 
As I wrote in my previous posts, I'm writing a novel/book, using Belgian and Dutch noble titles.
Wife of a Knight and Jonkheer is addressed Mevrouw; Écuyer has no female equivalent for wives and daughters.
Children of a hereditary Knight and Jonkheer are styled as Jonkheer/Jonkvrouw.
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
When the children of jonkheer and mevrouw Henri and Leila van Lidth de Jeude née gravin De Marchant et d'Ansembourg are born and registered in the Netherlands, I assume they automatically belong to the Dutch Nobility, without any special request, despite their father being a Belgian.

After all it was the Dutch Sovereign who was the Fons Honorum for the elevation of the family Van Lidth de Jeude. Since there is still a legitimate, recognized and protected Nobility in the Netherlands and since there was no royement (revoking) of the ennoblement, the children belong to the Dutch nobility. Better said: a Belgian branch of the Dutch family has become partly Dutch again.
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The list of families who are officially recognized as part of the nobility of the Netherlands can be found on the site of the Hoge Raad van Adel , see this link .
 
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Princess Paola of Assche attended the 'My Fashionable Venice' Book Signing by Paola Buratto Caovilla as part of the Paris Fashion Week Womenswear Fall/Winter 2018/2019 on March 1:


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What is the Belgian nobility like?

How would you describe the (modern) Belgian nobility?
 
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Prince Philippe de Chimay with his wife attended at the private dinner from the collectors Anne-Marie and Roland Gillion-Crowet at the La Moutarderie.

http://www.pointdevue.fr/sites/poin...it/public/03_qsoireegillioncrowet_pdv3644.jpg

Prince Leopold de Lobkowicz with his wife

http://www.pointdevue.fr/sites/poin...it/public/21_qsoireegillioncrowet_pdv3644.jpg


Prince Olivier de Croÿ with his wife

http://www.pointdevue.fr/sites/poin...it/public/14_qsoireegillioncrowet_pdv3644.jpg

Baron Marc de Villenfagne de Vogelsanck with his wife

http://www.pointdevue.fr/sites/poin...it/public/05_qsoireegillioncrowet_pdv3644.jpg
 
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This Saturday, 4 August in Saint-Emilion was baptized the Count Theodore of Limburg-Stirum son of Count Philippe de Limburg-Stirum and his wife born Countess Caroline von Neipperg.
Godfather was his uncle, Count Francois-Guillaume de Limburg-Stirum, and godmother, his maternal aunt, Countess Diane de Neipperg.

Baptême du comte Theodore de Limburg-Stirum à Saint-Emilion - Noblesse & Royautés

The Count and Countess Alexis de Limburg Stirum attends at the gala dinner who organize the Princess Esmeralda with her daughter Alexandra for the benefit of Care International at the Palais des Colonies

http://www.pointdevue.fr/sites/poin...portrait/public/07_soireebelgique_pdv3658.jpg
 
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Princess Paola of Assche attended the 'Vive La Mode' Exhibition Preview in Paris on October 15:


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Princess Paola of Assche attended the FIAC 2018 - International Contemporary Art Fair : Press Preview in Paris yesterday, October 17:


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