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Old 01-23-2018, 01:48 PM
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This honestly sounds like a joke.
You mean, like the columnist was being sarcastic ? Her last paragraph sure sounds like the irony mode was on, but I don't think that was her intention.
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Old 01-23-2018, 02:31 PM
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I think Karin Lennmor wrote her chronicle because once again there has been so many negative articles about Madeleine and Chris at the swedish press (mostly gossip press) during the last months. She wants to see Madeleine in Sweden, working for Sweden, and working with the Swedes, meeting them like the other members of the royal family. Lennmor wants to make a note to the royal family. Lennmor has written about the royal family over 30 years and was the editor-in-chief of Svensk Damtidning for 24 years. In her articles and chronicles, she isn't usually mean, but many reporters at the worst gossip magazines in Sweden are.
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Old 01-23-2018, 02:49 PM
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I have no problem with Madeleine living in London for the foreseeable future. The one thing I would wish from her (and Chris) is a bit of consistency. Are they in or out? Baby being born in Sweden or London? Nobel, National day - will they be there? Just give us some guidelines as to what we should expect, and I would be happy with whatever they tell us.
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Old 01-23-2018, 03:54 PM
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I honestly don't know what people expect from Madeleine. She doesn't live in Sweden because her husband doesn't want to live in Sweden. If it were up to her, she would move back to Stockholm, so I'd blame it on Chris, not on her.

To be fair to Chris, I wouldn’t want to live in Sweden either as the Swedish media have decided he is the one to target with their negative stories. He always gets a bad press regardless of what he does. The media regardless of which country and which royal family always like to have one ‘villain’ in a family. Chris is an easy target as he chose to continue with his own life instead of becoming the Swedish media’s idea of a prince.

What is interesting for me is that I believe in future years when all the current kids grow up and start getting married, then the Swedish Royal family will be seen to be quite large and cumbersome. Then Chris’s decision to continue with his own life will be seen as a positive and not a negative as it is currently.
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I was amazed at the reference to Madeleine not attending a State Dinner when Victoria was ill. Seems to me we have seen a lot less of Madeleine during this pregnancy and I had wondered if this time she was not quite as blooming. Regardless, did they not wonder if Madeleine too was unwell?

As to the comments about Sweden's attitude to Chris I have to say it is usually mean and not a little spiteful. Is it any wonder that he chooses not to live there? However, he "gives" of his time every year so that he can join Madeleine in attending the Nobels. That is not to be sneezed at as, for most businesses, December is full-on and he fits that in and, let's be honest here, the more members of the royal family that attend makes it easier for recipients to be escorted by a member of the family and, in this area at least, Chris is used to conversing with the great and good and is an asset.
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:10 PM
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I was amazed at the reference to Madeleine not attending a State Dinner when Victoria was ill. Seems to me we have seen a lot less of Madeleine during this pregnancy and I had wondered if this time she was not quite as blooming. Regardless, did they not wonder if Madeleine too was unwell?

As to the comments about Sweden's attitude to Chris I have to say it is usually mean and not a little spiteful. Is it any wonder that he chooses not to live there? However, he "gives" of his time every year so that he can join Madeleine in attending the Nobels. That is not to be sneezed at as, for most businesses, December is full-on and he fits that in and, let's be honest here, the more members of the royal family that attend makes it easier for recipients to be escorted by a member of the family and, in this area at least, Chris is used to conversing with the great and good and is an asset.
Well, she is pregnant with her third and two little ones running around. I don't doubt it's harder on her now than it was when she only had Leonore, or still had to give birth to Leonore.
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:36 PM
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And she lives in London, not in Stockholm! She would need to fly over for a state banquet that she didn't plan to attend just because her sister fell ill, while the family is represented by 5 other members?! Moreover, it is quite common that she doesn't attend state banquets since she left Sweden, so, I don't understand the fuss.
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:42 PM
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Indeed, I can't see why she has to change all her plans and fly to Sweden in the third semester of her pregnancy because her sister has a cold.

Wasn't Karin Lennmor the lady who forbade critical comments about Princess Sofia on her website and equated those comments to bullying? I am surprised why the concerted press campaign against princess Madeleine and her husband does not qualify for a similar high-minded treatment from Mrs. Lennmor. Who is the bully now?
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:11 AM
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Wasn't Karin Lennmor the lady who forbade critical comments about Princess Sofia on her website and equated those comments to bullying? I am surprised why the concerted press campaign against princess Madeleine and her husband does not qualify for a similar high-minded treatment from Mrs. Lennmor. Who is the bully now?
Yes, that's her. I must say that this article from her really surprised me. It's not in keeping with what she usually writes.

As a swede, I can say that I never expected her to fly in from London in a hurry just because Victoria had to cancel the dinner. No way. Especially not since she's very pregnant at the moment. Like I said before, I think that most of us don't mind if Madeleine lives a more private life in London. We just would like to know a bit more in general about what we can expect from her and the family.
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:16 AM
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To be fair to Chris, I wouldn’t want to live in Sweden either as the Swedish media have decided he is the one to target with their negative stories. He always gets a bad press regardless of what he does. The media regardless of which country and which royal family always like to have one ‘villain’ in a family. Chris is an easy target as he chose to continue with his own life instead of becoming the Swedish media’s idea of a prince.
This is so sad and unfair. I sometimes think there is a hope that Madeleine and Chris will break-up by certain commentators. It's unfortunate because it doesn't seem like he has done anything wrong besides not want to play into the fairy tale. I hope at least he and his family are happy in London.
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This is why I personally dislike the Swedish system. After marriage she should have been Princess Madeleine, Mrs. O'Neil and no titles for their children. No titles no obligation
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:39 PM
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This is why I personally dislike the Swedish system. After marriage she should have been Princess Madeleine, Mrs. O'Neil and no titles for their children. No titles no obligation
My guess is that she wanted just that, but that her father asked her to stay around. When she and Chris married, the only grandchild was Estelle. No one knew if Victoria would have more children and/or if Carl Philip would become a father. The situation is totally different now.

I think that Madeleine would be very happy to live in the UK as Princess Madeleine, Mrs O'Neill, and take her children out of the line of succession. And yes, I think that will happen sooner than later.
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I believe you are right xenobia. Because of the unlucky situation the family fell into with an underage heir and an uncle who couldn't marry the woman he loved because he would no longer have qualified to be Regent had the need arisen.

That is why King Carl Gustav was taking no chances and carried the HRH down to all his grandchildren, but I don't think anyone saw the avalanche of grandchildren coming.
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Because of the unlucky situation the family fell into with an underage heir and an uncle who couldn't marry the woman he loved because he would no longer have qualified to be Regent had the need arisen.
About whom are you talking about?
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Even before Prince Sigvard was stripped of the right to succession because of marrying Erika Patzek without the consent of the King.
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When Carl Gustav's parents were killed in 1947 he became his grandfather's heir. His uncle put aside his plans for marriage for his sake and when CG finally succeeded his grandfather one of the first things he did was change the rules to enable his Uncle Bertil to marry Lillian who had become the mother Carl Gustav didn't have and the grandmother to his children.
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When Carl Gustav's parents were killed in 1947 he became his grandfather's heir. His uncle put aside his plans for marriage for his sake and when CG finally succeeded his grandfather one of the first things he did was change the rules to enable his Uncle Bertil to marry Lillian who had become the mother Carl Gustav didn't have and the grandmother to his children.
Carl Gustav's mother, Princess Sibilla, died in 1972.
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Yes, we know that Princess Sibilla died in 1972 but I believe before she died it was reported that she didn't now have a close relationship with her son, the current King.

Nonetheless, as Princess Sibilla passed in 1972.....Princess Lillian was extremely close to the King and his family. I believe that is why Marg stated she was like the mother Carl Gustav did not have.

To get back on topic...I do think it was a bit unrealistic to suggest that at the last moment, a heavily pregnant woman with two toddlers (despite being married and possibly having a nanny) would be able to drop everything and fly over to Sweden.

I agree with everyone who thinks that eventually Madeleine's children will drop from the Line of Succession and she will make fewer and fewer appearances in Sweden.
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This is why I personally dislike the Swedish system. After marriage she should have been Princess Madeleine, Mrs. O'Neil and no titles for their children. No titles no obligation
And Carl Philip? Sofia should she have been given a title? And their kids? Sweden has done what the UK needs to do, it has actually embraced equal inheritance. Not just that Victoria is heir before her brother, but that sons and daughters are treated equally. If Madeleine's husband and children had no right to her titles, in fairness neither should CP's wife and kids.

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To get back on topic...I do think it was a bit unrealistic to suggest that at the last moment, a heavily pregnant woman with two toddlers (despite being married and possibly having a nanny) would be able to drop everything and fly over to Sweden.

I agree with everyone who thinks that eventually Madeleine's children will drop from the Line of Succession and she will make fewer and fewer appearances in Sweden.
Exactly. Even if Victoria fell ill, Madeleine should not be expected to drop everything to come back. The event was well attendeded anyways.

But I disagree that she will ever drop fully into private life, or fewer events. I think her kids will retain their titles, but not come back for school, so not be in line for succession.

Madeleine has found a great balance. A balance that should actually be encouraged for younger children of the monarch. She works with childhood, and is likely being groomed by her mother to take it over from Silvia one day. Beyond that, she has other patronages and events she comes home for, and represents in the Swedish community in London. She is third from the throne among the adults, and seventh over all. She is in the same place as the York girls in the UK, even if her dad is king. Baby Cambridge 3 will be in a similar place when he or she is an adult. With the 'slimming down' thoughts, baby 3 will likely face similar talk.

I think Madeleine will simply continue on the path that she is on. Maybe picking up more in fact, when her mother steps down from childhood.
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