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Old 08-27-2015, 08:15 AM
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Every year that passes makes it more unlikely (due to age) that Victoria will have another child. CP and Sofia's children (assuming they have any) would be next in line before Maddie's.

Which is why I say, does it really matter if Maddie's children are brought up outside Sweden. It's unlikely that CP's or Maddie's child will even be needed for succession, barring some sort of tragedy.

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Old 08-27-2015, 08:19 AM
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Who has said that matters? I think Madeleine and Chris did the right thing! I think Madde must have realized that she isn't "needed" much so the couple decided to try and live a normal life...

I am sorry to see them getting further and further from the swedish royal family, but it will be unevitable sooner or later...
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:20 AM
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Every year that passes makes it more unlikely (due to age) that Victoria will have another child. CP and Sofia's children (assuming they have any) would be next in line before Maddie's.

Which is why I say, does it really matter if Maddie's children are brought up outside Sweden. It's unlikely that CP's or Maddie's child will even be needed for succession, barring some sort of tragedy.

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You are absolutely right, but the other question related to that is, why do Madde's kids have the HRH title when they grow up abroad only showing up for family events in Sweden, unimportant to the succession.
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:43 AM
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Don't worry Madame Verseau, Monarchy all over Europe will be finished in a few decades (20/25 years)

I think your right but think it will be more like 40-50 years I also have a feeling Sweden and Denmark will outlast all the others including England. I know that sounds crazy but it's a feeling I have that England will change dramatically. I won't be around to see it so won't be able to post "see I told you "



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Old 08-27-2015, 08:43 AM
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You are absolutely right, but the other question related to that is, why do Madde's kids have the HRH title when they grow up abroad only showing up for family events in Sweden, unimportant to the succession.

Probably because until any eventual children of CP & Sofia are born they are important as spares. My guess is that King CG is mainly driven by an ambition to avoid the situation he himself was raised in with only two people in the succession, an old man and a schoolboy, with all the repercussions it had on the private lives of the whole royal family.


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Old 08-27-2015, 09:05 AM
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absolutely agree with your summation.
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Probably because until any eventual children of CP & Sofia are born they are important as spares. My guess is that King CG is mainly driven by an ambition to avoid the situation he himself was raised in with only two people in the succession, an old man and a schoolboy, with all the repercussions it had on the private lives of the whole royal family.


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I agree with you - but then I find it wrong to bring those children up abroad as 'normal' kids with little reference to Sweden.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:23 AM
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Didn't the younger siblings of wa of netherlands live abroad but still have hr h?
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:24 AM
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Probably because until any eventual children of CP & Sofia are born they are important as spares. My guess is that King CG is mainly driven by an ambition to avoid the situation he himself was raised in with only two people in the succession, an old man and a schoolboy, with all the repercussions it had on the private lives of the whole royal family.


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But they could also be in the line of sucession without a title. Like the children of Princess Märtha Louise for example. And if there should be a need they still could be givten the title and HRH at a later time.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:26 AM
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Didn't the younger siblings of wa of netherlands live abroad but still have hr h?
Yes his brother live/lived abroad. They also remained HRH and Prince but the children of Constantijn (who keept is succession rights when he marrede) are not Prince/Princess but Count/countess of Orange-Nassau.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:27 AM
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I suppose that the pros and cons were weighed and ultimately the decision was made to give Madeleine and Chris' children full royal status: HRH, Princess/Prince of Sweden, Duchess/Duke of ____ and a place in the line of succession. I question the decision given that it was made known that Breadwinner can't make bread in Sweden, but I get it from the standpoint that it is easier to give the children royal status and then relinquish/remove it than to try and add the status later on. Nevertheless Madeleine and her children should expect grumbling every now and again if they are Princess/Prince of Sweden living outside the country.
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Are titles in Sweden part of the royal prerogative like in the United Kingdom or does parliament decide the matter. Maybe Chris and Maddie had no choice.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:38 AM
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Didn't the younger siblings of wa of netherlands live abroad but still have hr h?
Yes they do (like Madeleine as Victoria's younger sister) but their children don't.
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:39 AM
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Thanks, i didn't realize children could be in the succession without an hrh
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:11 AM
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Who has said that matters? I think Madeleine and Chris did the right thing! I think Madde must have realized that she isn't "needed" much so the couple decided to try and live a normal life...

I am sorry to see them getting further and further from the swedish royal family, but it will be unevitable sooner or later...
There have been comments made here about it mattering, you'll have to read previous pages.


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Old 08-27-2015, 10:12 AM
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Are titles in Sweden part of the royal prerogative like in the United Kingdom or does parliament decide the matter. Maybe Chris and Maddie had no choice.
The King can decide about who becames HRH Prince/Princess of Sweden and about the royal Dukedom's. But he can not create new Titles like the british monarch.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:13 AM
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I agree with you - but then I find it wrong to bring those children up abroad as 'normal' kids with little reference to Sweden.
I don't know if that's because the King, as a grandparent, wanted all the grandkids to be equal or what the reason was. I have to think the King knew with Maddie marrying a foreigner with business ties elsewhere their children might be brought up elsewhere.


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Old 08-27-2015, 10:35 AM
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And for me is mystery why the children of Madeleine take the HRH titles. Something like that don't happen with the King's sisters.

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I sincerely hope that Madeleine and Chris have the life they both want for themselves and their children. If moving the UK is part of it, so be it. If king still want them to have titles, so be it. The title doesn't mean that Madeleine will honor it in her own mind or that it will bother Chris. They have made their wants clear to family. They will attend the things that they want, if they want, and if people don't like, oh well. Chris is not paid by royal money and they really can't tell him what to do. He doesn't have to answer to anyone or tell what and when he will attend a function. If you see him, he is there. Period. King knew this prior to their marriage and did not have a problem. I give Madeleine a lot of credit by not letting others opinion of what she and Chris should be doing bother her. I can also see, when Sofia has children or Victoria another, Madeleine and Chris having a wonderful life together without the public on their backs and giving their opinion on anything in their lives. Madeleine knows exactly what she wants, I hope she gets it.
I agree with you Winnie. But for the last you say "Madeleine knows exactly what she wants" i don't know i'm not so sure.
Madeleine is between the task that has the title and her husband. He tries as much as you balance the hope to succeed ..
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:45 AM
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And for me is mystery why the children of Madeleine take the HRH titles. Something like that don't happen with the King's sisters.
The King's sisters never had succession rights like Madeleine. And except for Birgitta who was the only of them to marry a partner from a former reigning Family the lost their HRH upon marriage nand are styled as Princess Chrstina, Mrs. Magnusson for example.
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:42 AM
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Thanks, i didn't realize children could be in the succession without an hrh

Isn´t that even with Sverre-Magnus (at least No 3 in line of the Norway succession)?
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