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Old 10-12-2021, 06:38 AM
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A nice new photo of the Duke of Cambridge has been released in connection with the upcoming Earthshot Prize:




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The TV and podcast interview with BBC Newscast will be shown on Thursday, October 14.
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Old 10-14-2021, 10:08 AM
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:02 PM
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I always knew that William has his head screwed on right and his priorities in the right order but his remarks about blillionaires and their recent race to get civilians into space makes a whole lot of sense to me. So Captain Kirk (William Shatner) made it to space for 11 minutes and is now the oldest man to have gone into space, I can't help but think of all the good that could be done for not only the earth but the people of the earth if that money was put towards that purpose.

$250,000.00 price tag for a brief, blast into the international space zone is probably echoed by my daughter's remark once upon a time as we sat at Cape Canaveral for a space shuttle launch that was aborted 3 seconds to liftoff. "All this way for just a puff of smoke?!?". To me, that's the bottom line of that much money for such a short ride to space and back.

We need a healthy planet for future space explorations to leave from.

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Old 10-14-2021, 02:51 PM
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YouGov UK had this up on their daily question.


https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ign=question_2


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Which of the following, if either, should humanity focus on more?


Here were the options and the results with the responses of those polled
Space exploration 2%


Tackling the climate crisis 68%


Both equally 12%


Neither should be a focus 10%


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Old 10-14-2021, 02:52 PM
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I am so impressed with Prince William! I agree, billionaires need to focus on saving this planet and not looking for another planet that will we will end up possibly destroying as we have done here on earth.
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:35 PM
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I am so impressed with Prince William! I agree, billionaires need to focus on saving this planet and not looking for another planet that will we will end up possibly destroying as we have done here on earth.
If the launches were to actually explore space or visit the space station, it would have had more purpose than these short forays into international space and then quickly return (Bezo's and Shatner's were around 11 minutes and Branson's was around 8 minutes). There was no real rhyme or reason for these flights other than to give a few humans the bragging rights of saying they've been in "space". To me, it served no real purpose.

Reminds me of the time when I was little and stationed at my grandfather's barber shop for a day and I pestered him to no end to stop at my cousin's house to see them on the way home. Grandpa gave in but not the way I wanted. We stopped, went into the house, said "hello" and turned around and left again pronto. Wasn't what I thought I was going to get.

With 7.7 billion people calling the third rock from the sun home, a joyride for a few just doesn't make sense at all.
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:24 PM
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It seems so senseless, true. But at the same time it does mean work and income for a lot of people all through the productionline. So it is not as pointless as it seems at first glance.
It would be nice though, if those bosses would put the same amount of money and energy in things concerning the planet itself.
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Old 10-15-2021, 02:47 AM
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Hmm - I have no problem with space exploration and in fact I think that we have to do it. And if billionaires are happy to fund it - all the merrier. Space Exploration is one of those industries that positively affects all other industries, we made giant leaps in medicine, technology, food production and engineering due to the space race. Not a single person on this planet has not been positively affected by the space race.
Space Tourism - however has not purpose but to provide photographs.

There is also another very important aspect about space research that we need. Regardless of how in sync and green everyone on the planet becomes - humans as a species have a limit time on this rock. Lets be clear that when people talk about saving the planet - they are actually talking about extending human occupation on the planet. The planet will survive in one form or another until it is destroyed. But humankind will not - that is part of the process. Many species have come and gone and in the broad scheme of things we are really not that important or significant as we like to think we are. Life will continue - it has before. But it will continue without us.
Regardless of how many trees we plant, if we all have no children or eat plants and algae for the rest of our species life spans, we cannot stop the natural progression of our planet and our sun. Eventually the Earth will moved into another stage of its life - and we will need to understand how to live in that stage and the only way we can do that is space exploration and space science.
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Old 10-15-2021, 09:23 AM
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I am so impressed with Prince William! I agree, billionaires need to focus on saving this planet and not looking for another planet that will we will end up possibly destroying as we have done here on earth.
Well, the Earth is somewhat limited: There is no alternative to space exploration! Except forced birth control...

And these little trips into space are surely just the beginning! More technologically advanced space liners will travel further, that is for sure!

Prince William here might be a bit short sighted...
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Old 10-15-2021, 09:46 AM
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Well, the Earth is somewhat limited: There is no alternative to space exploration! Except forced birth control...

And these little trips into space are surely just the beginning! More technologically advanced space liners will travel further, that is for sure!

Prince William here might be a bit short sighted...
But he wasn't saying space exploration was wrong, just that the ego stroking space *tourism* race a handful of men are on could theoretically be put to better use. They're like the modern day version of the publicity stunts Branson used to do in the 90s. Although I think Amazon is actually involved in Earthshot too.

Also space tourism comes with a lot of "space litter" which he didn't talk about but is a potentially big concern.

But it was one question out of many and has been extremely overblown by the media, he certainly didn't "slam" anyone but even non tabloid outlets used that phrase.

He named the prize after "Moonshot" I don't think he believes scientific discovery is wrong, quite the opposite. There's room for both but IMO it should be done carefully.
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Old 10-15-2021, 02:49 PM
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Well, the Earth is somewhat limited: There is no alternative to space exploration! Except forced birth control...

And these little trips into space are surely just the beginning! More technologically advanced space liners will travel further, that is for sure!

Prince William here might be a bit short sighted...
You totally misunderstood Prince William. His issue is prioritization. Climate change is more pressing matter than Space tourism. We need to solve for climate now before it is too late otherwise, earth goes burst! and they will be no space tourism or anything else left. No future for the next generation.
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Old 10-15-2021, 03:29 PM
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Although it may seem to many people (me included at first) that this billionaire "race to space" seems trivial and frankly, a huge waste of money that could do so much good elsewhere, one little factor about these three billionaires (Musk, Branson and Bezos) has been overlooked. All *three* of these billionaires are also very actively involved in projects very similar to William's Earthshot prize scheme.

Jeff Bezos is committed to spending 1 billion of his own money a year to fight climate change. His is called the Bezos Earth Fund.

Richard Branson has created a $25 million prize for the first person to come up with a way of removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere called the Virgin Earth Challenge prize.

Elon Musk is responsible for the creation of a $25 million prize for the first person to come up with a way of removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. XPRIZE Carbon Removal is aimed at tackling the biggest threat facing humanity - fighting climate change and rebalancing Earth’s carbon cycle. Funded by Elon Musk and the Musk Foundation, this $100M competition is the largest incentive prize in history, an extraordinary milestone.‎

So, after actually looking into things here, I have to amend my thoughts on what William has said about prioritizing our earth first before space to state that the reality actually is that William, with his Earthshot prize, has gone where three billionaires have already gone before him.

Just the facts, ma'am.
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Old 10-15-2021, 04:01 PM
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Although it may seem to many people (me included at first) that this billionaire "race to space" seems trivial and frankly, a huge waste of money that could do so much good elsewhere, one little factor about these three billionaires (Musk, Branson and Bezos) has been overlooked. All *three* of these billionaires are also very actively involved in projects very similar to William's Earthshot prize scheme.

Jeff Bezos is committed to spending 1 billion of his own money a year to fight climate change. His is called the Bezos Earth Fund.

Richard Branson has created a $25 million prize for the first person to come up with a way of removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere called the Virgin Earth Challenge prize.

Elon Musk is responsible for the creation of a $25 million prize for the first person to come up with a way of removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. XPRIZE Carbon Removal is aimed at tackling the biggest threat facing humanity - fighting climate change and rebalancing Earth’s carbon cycle. Funded by Elon Musk and the Musk Foundation, this $100M competition is the largest incentive prize in history, an extraordinary milestone.‎

So, after actually looking into things here, I have to amend my thoughts on what William has said about prioritizing our earth first before space to state that the reality actually is that William, with his Earthshot prize, has gone where three billionaires have already gone before him.

Just the facts, ma'am.
Or maybe it was just the press stirring the pot as usual because .... guess what:

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The Global Alliance Founding Partners are a group of leading global organisations and philanthropists which act as strategic funding partners to the Prize, including Aga Khan Development Network, Bezos Earth Fund, Bloomberg Philanthropies, Breakthrough Energy Foundation, Coleman Family Ventures, DP World in partnership with Dubai EXPO 2020, Holch Povlsen Foundation, Jack Ma Foundation, Marc and Lynne Benioff, Paul G. Allen Family Foundation and Rob & Melani Walton Foundation.
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Jeff Bezos began his own initiative first, though. And another partner in Earth Shot, Jack Ma, is rather controversial isn’t he, or rather his company was?
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Old 10-15-2021, 05:05 PM
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TBF, he didn't name anyone nor, IMO, "blast" space travel. But it's just my opinion and I'm not a native English speaker so maybe I misinterpret his comment.

I can't find the link to the full interview anymore, but this is the longest one:


The conversation about space travel start around minute 3 where he explains that Earthshot is inspired by Moonshot and then his opinion that rather than giving up Earth and looking for a "new home", he thinks it's better to try fixing the "current home" first before looking for new home.
Again, that's just my interpretation. And I have to say I agree with him. For one, in a Wall-E sort of future, it's impossible to relocate the whole Earth population to the new planet. Furthermore, even in that movie, they end up returning and rebuilding Earth, right?

Tweet by Rebecca English (of DM) before all of those headlines emerged:

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In today’s #DailyMail Prince William says we should focus on saving the planet we have, rather than discover new ones (his comments were made before yesterday’s space tourism extravaganza, but will inevitably be seen that context). In earlier editions we cover his

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Jeff Bezos began his own initiative first, though. And another partner in Earth Shot, Jack Ma, is rather controversial isn’t he, or rather his company was?
Sadly, it's impossible to find donor who's perfectly "clean". They are owned and operated by human after all. For one, even most if not all of the big environmental NGOs get money from oil companies or big corporations with an employee welfare issue.
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One thing we've discovered though through this conversation is that, on our planet, there are multiple incentives and organizations that not only are working to save our planet and preserve it for the future, but they're *also* looking at the final frontier for solutions we may come to need.

It's a win/win situation if you ask me. Now we all just have to do *our* part.
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One thing we've discovered though through this conversation is that, on our planet, there are multiple incentives and organizations that not only are working to save our planet and preserve it for the future, but they're *also* looking at the final frontier for solutions we may come to need.

It's a win/win situation if you ask me. Now we all just have to do *our* part.
Exactly, it’s not an either/or situation, and I don’t think that’s what William was suggesting.

I think research and missions directed by organizations like NASA are just as worthy, for lack of a better word, as research and development surrounding climate change. Leaving the actual space exploration aside, the advances in science and technology that come from building a better telescope or Mars rover or whatever are immense, and can benefit society in many different ways that aren’t directly related to space. I also think exploration is what humans do, full stop. I’m sure there was a strong argument to be made many thousands of years ago in favour of optimizing your current cave instead of needlessly taking your life into your hands to see what the cave over the hill had to offer, but aren’t we happy that at least some cavemen and women didn’t listen?
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A lovely message by the Prince of Wales has been released:


** princeofwales: A message from HRH The Prince of Wales ahead of the inaugural Earthshot Prize Awards Ceremony, London 2021 **


And by now the guests are arriving for the Earthshot Prize Awards Ceremony this evening, October 17:


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Short videos from tonight

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Here's a video from the Earthshot Prize Awards Ceremony this evening

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