The Duchess of Cambridge: Will she become more popular than Diana?

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by Shynes

^ William, obviously, likes her and I'm not disputing that. What I don't get, is how anyone could link a recent shopping trip of hers as a sign of her being "groomed" for becoming a princess.

I'd never link one event such as a shopping trip to someone becoming a princess. My opinion is based on several events, all of which have been discussed in the various threads about Kate.

[Shynes]

Originally Posted by Laviollette

the pictures on isifa show that with the new clothes, she is possibly being groomed to be a princess. no matter how bland and boring some might think she is, she has a good chance of joing the BRF a William's wife because he seems to be very attached to her and they seem comfortable together. they may not be exciting but that's not a crime. also, she never has to be more popular than Diana worldwide just in Britain, and she will be especially if she makes William happy. the comparisons with his mother will not be like everyone thinks. people will want to give her a chance to be her own person. she can survive comparisons to Diana because those comparisons will end once she has her own image and we get used to seeing her by William's side, if they get married.

Your very first sentence... sorry, but what exactly were you trying to say then? lol

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by Shynes

Your very first sentence... sorry, but what exactly were you trying to say then? lol

She has known PW for the past four years; they have been dating for at least two years; they are living together; she and her family have met PC; she has reportedly met the queen; she is invited on ski trips with the family; her boyfriend adores her; she is suitable; she is smart and a college grad. All of this doesn't mean she will marry PW for sure but it is my opinion that she very well might and I'm entitled to my opinion.

[princesslily]

Any girl that marries the future King will be as popular as Diana.

[Shynes]

Originally Posted by Laviollette

She has known PW for the past four years; they have been dating for at least two years; they are living together; she and her family have met PC; she has reportedly met the queen; she is invited on ski trips with the family; her boyfriend adores her; she is suitable; she is smart and a college grad. All of this doesn't mean she will marry PW for sure but it is my opinion that she very well might and I'm entitled to my opinion.

You still haven't explained to me why you think her shopping is a sign of her being "groomed" for the royal family. Don't all defensive because I'm questioning you. lol

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by Shynes

You still haven't explained to me why you think her shopping is a sign of her being "groomed" for the royal family. Don't all defensive because I'm questioning you. lol

I have explained. It's my opinion, you just haven't accepted it, which is your right. But I really don't care who William marries as long as it's not one of these screaming, social climbing, wanna-be princess girls who line the streets to scream and act crazy for someone they don't even know. I bet a lot of girls envy Kate. If she did marry William, she would deserve him. Shop, shop, shop, Kate! :p

[Shynes]

Yeah-okay... lol

[ysbel]

Let's cut the personal comments please and get back to the discussion.

ysbel
British forums moderator

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

None of them are 'legends'.
Legendary means a famous person who exists only in legend.
Legend is a traditional story or myth.

Originally Posted by ysbel

I think the public has to have a need to create a legend around somebody before they become a legend...
...I also think the creation of a legend requires that people suspend disbelief and accept a bit of fantasy but the public has to be in the right mood for that. Legends don't hold up too well to close scrutiny of the facts. I'm not sure whether the world is ready to create a new legend nowadays.

I think it was my fault on not making clear my observation.
I used a quote of a favorite movie of mine I recently saw again on DVD, The Lion in Winter to describe the ladies above. To be more precise I even found the script online and review it but my use of the "woman out of legend" quote deserves a little explanation since it was misunderstood.


By legend I was not refering to fables or myth more more in the sense of what is described as methaphor in the movie itself. The movie, The Lion in Winter, was a brilliantly written play based on the fascinating life of Queen Leonor (of Aquitaine) of England and before that France. Married to King Henry, the one who disposed of Thomas Becket. The play's lines are full of wit and wisdom. Every line tied to another one, every response has an ever more significant reply to it. The part that I remember fondly that, for me applies to these modern time ladies is when the King, played by Peter O'Toole, ponders on how he will be remembered by future generations:

My life, when it is written, will read better than it lived.
Henry...first plantagenet, a king at the ablest soldier of an able time.
He led men well, he cared for justice when he could...and ruled, for years, a state as great as Charlemagne's.
He married out of love a woman out of legend. Not in Alexandria or Rome or Camelot has there been such a queen.

If you get the chance to get to see the movie you will see the content to which I apply to these ladies. Years from now, maybe when we are all gone and other generations study the past where we live in today, people like Diana, Grace, Jackie, Soraya and even Farah would be remembered as one of a kind individuals whose loves and lives became some part of other people's lives. They did not affect us personally but each trigger a public feeling you don't get from so many other celebrities. They will be legendary for their unique beauty as well as for their deeds, and for the way they ended.
And for the late Princess Diana, that quote applies perfectly but with a very sad twist: She married out of love, became a woman of legend and not anywhere has there been such a Princess.

[Jang]

Diana will be more popular than Kate

[ysbel]

Toledo,

I'm quite familiar with the Lion in Winter. Its one of the top movies, though the speech you quoted didn't have such a profound effect.

I rather enjoyed the exchange between O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn.

Henry: Give me some peace.
Eleanor: Is it peace you want, how about eternal peace? Now, there's a thought.

The sad thing about Eleanor of Aquitaine is that she truly was an extraordinary woman and a legend in her own time, but few people today know who she is.

It really was a great movie.

[rhenae]

I don't think that Kate will be more popular than Diana. I do think that Kate will become popular, but in her own way. Diana had spark and charm about her that people just love. I am not saying that Kate doesn't, but I just don't think that anyone will ever compare to Diana.

[Paula**]

Originally Posted by Jang

Diana will be more popular than Kate

whaaaaaaaaatttt?

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by rhenae

I am not saying that Kate doesn't, but I just don't think that anyone will ever compare to Diana.

Thats exactly what this thread is doing, comparing them. If Kate and William get engaged, if they have the great big wedding, then Diana will truly be a thing of the past, as she already is for most people under 25.

[Margrethe II]

At the present time, there's no reason for Kate to be more popular than her *possible* future husbands late mother.

If Kate and William do infact marry, they shall set their own "trend" (if one can call it that).

And, its most hard to "compete" with a lady who has since passed on. Diana's legacy and memory is ingrained in billions around the world. The late Princess of Wales made her mark, lived the life that was meant for her and left this world an icon of the 20th century.

Our generation(s) shall grow older, new one's shall step forward and to them, Kate will be what Diana was to many of us.

as she already is for most people under 25.

Not so...I am 20 and I still clearly remember Diana, as does everyone I know my age (and that's alot of people).


"MII"

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Margrethe II

Not so...I am 20 and I still clearly remember Diana, as does everyone I know my age (and that's alot of people).
"MII"

What you remember can only be from the history books, you must have been around 5 when she married, 10 when they separated, 11 when she died. I would disagree that anyone of your age could clearly remember her, how many times did you meet for instance?
Most 25's and under, only 'remember' her as Williams mother, or from what they have been told or read, that's what happens. I too know a lot of 25's and under and that and the scandals she was involved in, is all they know about her.
Kate is the here and now, at the moment and nobody can compete with that.

[Margrethe II]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

What you remember can only be from the history books, you must have been around 5 when she married, 10 when they separated, 11 when she died. I would disagree that anyone of your age could clearly remember her, how many times did you meet for instance?
Most 25's and under, only 'remember' her as Williams mother, or from what they have been told or read, that's what happens. I too know a lot of 25's and under and that and the scandals she was involved in, is all they know about her.
Kate is the here and now, at the moment and nobody can compete with that.

I dont see any relevance to your comment "how many times did you meet for instance?"...what does this have to do with remembering the Princess?

Well, I remember what I remember and I am not going to be told otherwise, but thanks anyway :)

"MII"

[rhenae]

Diana will never be the thing of the past no matter how big William and Kate's wedding will be. That is if they do get married. Diana's legacy will live on forever and she will continue to have a huge fan base no matter if people were young when she died or later on. Look at Marilyn Monroe and Elvis . They have a huge fan base of people who were not alive when they passed away. That will be the same for Diana.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Margrethe II

I dont see any relevance to your comment "how many times did you meet for instance?"...what does this have to do with remembering the Princess?
Well, I remember what I remember and I am not going to be told otherwise,

I notice you didn't correct the math. You wern't even born when she married, you were 4 when they separated, so it is all from books.

Kate is a living breathing vibrant young woman and is more relevent to most 20 year olds.

[Margrethe II]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

I notice you didn't correct the math. You wern't even born when she married, you were 4 when they separated, so it is all from books.

Kate is a living breathing vibrant young woman and is more relevent to most 20 year olds.

Why should I have to correct your miscalculation?.lol.

I remember the separation years well, I grew up when they were separated...you really must stop insiting otherwise "sd" as you truely have no idea, but are merely assuming to know what I remember and what I don't.

Kate is more relevant, absolutely, but to a minority of people my age...Alas, we younger royal watchers have seemed to have dwindled over the past few decades...lets hope that with a possible new 'Wales set' looming on the horizon, that general interest shall re-ignite to what it was at the time of Charles & Diana's wedding :)

And no, I did not have the chance of meeting Princess Diana, but I have met HM the Queen


"MII"