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Old 07-06-2016, 09:59 AM
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What is the opinion about who really is attackinf Carole? Is it the British media or is it everyday people? Is it upper class people who work in journalism?
Like every one else I see that Carole is the only one who is attacked and it has really given me a skewed view of class systems in GB. But I really am interested in knowing who exactly are the people who have a problem with Carole "not knowing her place".
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Old 07-06-2016, 10:15 AM
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It's inverse snobbery, plain and simple. The Middletons move freely with the upper classes. While at university, Pippa was roommates with Earl Percy and Lord Innes-Ker.

This is 2016, the traditional class system doesn't exist.

We must remember, 'posh' Cressida Bonas' father comes from a line of South Battersea butchers.

Carole is at Wimbledon today, enjoying life, while the haters stick pins in their Middleton dolls.
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Old 08-01-2016, 03:13 AM
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If Carole Middleton was half as good at arranging outcomes and plotting as the tabloids seem to think she is, she'd be prime minister by now.



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Old 08-01-2016, 03:41 AM
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If Carole Middleton was half as good at arranging outcomes and plotting as the tabloids seem to think she is, she'd be prime minister by now.



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Hahah, how very true. So pathetic. Not gonna warrant a click, that one! I mean, is it so hard to belive that 2 rich girls going to fancy schools would happen to meet and date rich guys hanging out with their rich friends? I mean... ofc they could have met someone totally different, but the odds that you get together with someone from similar circumstances who have mutual friends or interest etc is how it usually works. I mean, you cant get together with people you dont meet and hang out with.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:03 AM
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Over the years of watching and observing the Middleton family, their closeness and their success in their business and watching how their three children conduct themselves and what they do with their lives, the *last* thing I would be able to say is that they've used their children as pawns on a chessboard.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:51 AM
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If Carole Middleton was half as good at arranging outcomes and plotting as the tabloids seem to think she is, she'd be prime minister by now.
Yes, I think that calling her a mastermind might be a bit of an exaggeration, but she has only had three people to focus on: her children, particularly her two daughters. She hasn't had to make and sell policies to solve the nation's unemployment problem, just create opportunities for her two daughters to be in the right place at the right time and provide them with the skills they needed to take advantage of the opportunities that presented themselves. Ultimately it was up to her girls to seal the deals though. If she was a real mastermind, the three children would be running multi-million dollar enterprises themselves and not just marrying well or making printed marshmallows.
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Old 08-01-2016, 06:11 AM
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If Carole Middleton was half as good at arranging outcomes and plotting as the tabloids seem to think she is, she'd be prime minister by now.


Guessing this Exclusive stems back to the other mastermind plot in 2007 when she plotted to bring William and Kate back together at some family BBQ in Bucklebury or some such thing.

I'm not doubting the event did occur - but the fact that William was at it in the first place would suggest Kate and himself were working things out by themselves.

Carole gets a lot of bad press, even her own family have dissed her to the press! But masterminding her daughters marriages is a stretch too far..... accomodating them maybe!
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Old 08-01-2016, 07:47 AM
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I wouldn't call a distant cousin that she has never met a family member. Nor "family sources" anything
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:03 AM
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The media gave Mrs. Middleton a bad rep many years ago. Now that Pippa is getting married, of course the media would come up with another story about how Carole was behind all this.

All Mr. and Mrs. Middleton did was provide well for their family, the rest was up to the kids. Destiny will take you down some very interesting paths.
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Old 08-01-2016, 10:35 AM
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If Carole Middleton was half as good at arranging outcomes and plotting as the tabloids seem to think she is, she'd be prime minister by now.
Brilliant statement. You are so correct. Media just doesn't care for the Middletons as they really haven't put a bad foot forwards to embarrass the Queen which really upsets them. Any story that they yelled about {saying toilet at Palace} was proven to be a lie and that reporter fired when proven it was made up for fun. Actually Carole and husband just go along with their personal lives with a smile and could care less about the media. Good for them. They have more class than the ones writing about their every move. Plus the Middletons have made their own money properly.
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Old 08-01-2016, 02:54 PM
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I think a lot of it is what was once described to me as "Tall Poppy " syndrome. People who rise above everyone else are put down by those who have not risen that far. As Deman says, the Middleton's have worked hard, and provided all their children with a good education and the chances they may not have had otherwise.
Instead of people, and not anyone here, critcising them for what they have done, they should be thinking " Okay my daughter can't become Queen of England , but I can try to make sure her life is better than mine".

Too much of the "green - eyed " monster at times from the popular press !!!

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Old 08-01-2016, 03:38 PM
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I love when ever someone is critical they are jealous One doesn't need to be jealous cat ladies to think they are not good examples.

Michael and Carole what did they teach their kids???? Yes they got top educations, paid for by a family trust, but then??? Did they encourage them to get jobs? Continue education? Anything? No. They provided Kate a home and income for 8 years, when her 1 part time job lasted less than a year. Did they encourage her to volunteer, do more school, get a job? If they did, she didn't listen. Now Pippa has bounced between jobs, and lives in a parent provided flat while she plays socialite for charity.

I find it funny, aristocrats born into money expect their kids to work. I would think people who are self-made would want more for their kids.

I have no doubt if Carole put any importance on career, her daughters could likely have gone far.

I find it funny Bea gets criticized for leaving another job, and yet same people praise Pippa for the very same life.
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Old 08-01-2016, 03:50 PM
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There are a lot of aristocrats "born into money" that require absolutely nothing of their children. There are some very well known ones who do nothing but travel from glamorous place to place and loll about on yachts and go to expensive ski resorts in the winter. Not going to mention any names here but I think we can all name a few.
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Old 08-01-2016, 03:54 PM
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I find it funny, aristocrats born into money expect their kids to work. I would think people who are self-made would want more for their kids.

I have no doubt if Carole put any importance on career, her daughters could likely have gone far.

I find it funny Bea gets criticized for leaving another job, and yet same people praise Pippa for the very same life.
Many children of aristocrats don't work, have a look in Tatler some time. Pippa isn't hurting anyone, she doesn't live off the state.

You give a Bea a pass (along with all of Harry's exes) and choose to criticise Pippa and the Middleton at every turn.

Your prerogative, but what you're doing is no different from the people you call out for having a go at the Yorks.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:19 AM
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I wouldn't call a distant cousin that she has never met a family member. Nor "family sources" anything
In the article I saw the family member involved (cousin) wasn't distant or unknown and quite happy to include a photograph (Kate looked about 14 or 15) sitting with Carole and relatives on a couch.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:29 AM
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I wouldn't call a distant cousin that she has never met a family member. Nor "family sources" anything
It was a definite dig at Carole, she is the target, not Michael; in response to earlier post about Michael (or family) coming under the same fire as Carole (who apparently in some eyes married "up")
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Old 08-06-2016, 03:32 AM
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I think that Carole is seen as the chief offender in the "Trying to push the children into a higher social class" and I suspect it is true. I don't think she's TOO bad, but I'm not keen on the Middleton match as a whole..
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:01 AM
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I think exactly the opposite. The class system in the UK is becoming less and less structured and the days of the bon ton and the hoi polloi are long gone. Its been proven time and time again that marriage for status and titles and keeping a bloodline pure doesn't work in modern times.

The Middletons are a well respected family that have provided a safe, secure and loving home and life for their children and, by example, have shown how a marriage born out of love, teamwork and family first works. They would want no less for their children should they be a future king or a garbage collector or day laborer.
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:13 AM
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I've always wondered, who are these guardians of the class system?

It's not the nobility, who have been marrying 'commoners' for generations.

Winston Churchill, son of Lord Randolph Churchill, grandson of the Duke of Marlborough, Churchill's mother was an American. Just one of dozens of examples.

The last time a princess married into the BRF was like 85 years ago. British royals marrying commoners has been the norm for years.

Look around Europe, we have Mary, Daniel, Maxima, et al all marrying into royalty.

Imo, anyone crowing about the class system is watching too much Downton Abbey.
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Old 08-06-2016, 10:30 AM
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I think that Carole is seen as the chief offender in the "Trying to push the children into a higher social class" and I suspect it is true. I don't think she's TOO bad, but I'm not keen on the Middleton match as a whole..
I don't think Carole is pushing her children into anything. Carole was a full time mom, who worked hard to provide for her kids. If anything, she has given them the love and support they need.

The media have a way of being snobs in their own right. The media spent years trying to match the future King with every eligible princess and heiress known to man. His father married an earls daughter, so they just knew his son would marry in his own class system. They had no clue the future King would go off to university and come home with a middle class girl. In their minds, that couldn't have been his doing, someone must've pushed her on him. That's where Carole comes in.

The media has given Carole the role of a madam.
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