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Old 03-22-2013, 04:28 PM
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The problem seems to be, that is, if you can't see it, it didn't happen. Very much a childs way of thinking. Most people get over that when they learn to think and reason.
Exactly. It's like on every article about Prince William on the Daily Mail you'll see commenters saying "doesn't he ever do any searching and rescuing?". Of course he does, but when he's on base the paps get nowhere near him, so we don't see pictures of him doing his job. The only time we see photos of him is when he's doing public engagements or enjoying his time off the job. That gives the false impression that he does nothing else.

I think the royals should radically change the Court Circular and include every single item of their day to day lives (obviously apart from the personal stuff). Every meeting with advisors, security, government officials, charity workers, time spent dealing with correspondence etc. etc. Just stick it all in there. They get no reward for keeping all the other things they do out of the CC.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:19 PM
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UK Scout Association ‏@UKScouting 1h
This is what we hoped for! MT EastandSouthkay: Thanks @UKScouting & Duchess for publicity: 3 new volunteers contacted me this afternoon

Full Video Report:
Duchess of Cambridge visits Cumbria:
http://www.itv.com/news/border/story...ss-in-cumbria/

Nice interviews with the kids. I'm sure William would've loved to be there too.

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http://www.newmyroyals.com/2013/03/t...t-to-lake.html

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Catherine Hugging One of the Scouts:
http://worldofwindsor.tumblr.com/image/46017378827
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:36 PM
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RAW VIDEO: Kate Shows Off Outdoor Cooking Skills With Scouts - YouTube
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:40 PM
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She looks so much happier and more comfortable at these events where the press is at more of a distance and where she's not dressed up and at the center of attention quite so much.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:54 PM
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I love how involved Kate is, and that she is not afraid to be involved. Just gets stuck in with the kids, helping out, and having fun! What a gal!
You and me both. She's not afraid to jump in head first, so to speak, and get her hands dirty. I noticed that when the kids see adults doing the activity on the agenda, they're more likely to participate, and Catherine's definitely in there, front and center, doing everything that the kids and other volunteers are supposed to be doing. Love it.

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She looks so much happier and more comfortable at these events where the press is at more of a distance and where she's not dressed up and at the center of attention quite so much.
That is a very good observation, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this. I'd venture it says quite a lot about how Catherine feels about being the center of attention and focus.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:14 PM
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Wonder if Kate's "ten essentials" includes a SAR "Good for one free rescue" helicopter pass. Always a good idea to for a Scout to "Be Prepared."
I wonder...... too funny!Good one!
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:16 AM
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I love that Kate is involved with the scouts - they always seem to be such fun outings, and adds a bit of variety to her activities.

The pictures are cute, but I can't shake my negative feelings about scouting (ever since a policeman friend told me that the Org. is a magnet for pedophiles).
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:48 AM
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The pictures are cute, but I can't shake my negative feelings about scouting (ever since a policeman friend told me that the Org. is a magnet for pedophiles).
As are schools, athletic teams, the internet, the Dairy Queen...
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:51 AM
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In the UK everyone, including volunteers, is vetted before they can get involved. All taxi drivers, school bus drivers, cleaners, teachers, you name it, has to go through these checks.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:54 AM
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The pictures are cute, but I can't shake my negative feelings about scouting (ever since a policeman friend told me that the Org. is a magnet for pedophiles).
During my Virtus training (Catholic Church sponsored child abuse prevention course) we learned about pedophile "grooming" techniques from the abusers themselves. Any organization that is oriented to children and relies upon volunteers is very attractive to pedophiles.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:57 AM
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In the UK everyone, including volunteers, is vetted before they can get involved. All taxi drivers, school bus drivers, cleaners, teachers, you name it, has to go through these checks.
It's very similar in the U.S. I've been fingerprinted and checked at least 3 times as I am a teacher and volunteer. AYSO (youth soccer), Boy/Girl Scouts and other organizations require it as well.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:12 PM
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That is all good and well done, but it#s so easy to put anybody who likes children and wants to help them under a kind of general suspicion.
Plus the way things are seen changes all the time - while we accept young girls dressed in very short skirts we cannot watch the once cult movie "Bilitis" without feeling that it caters to pedophilia.

There are many, many people in the Catholic scout movement and in the RC church who would never ever do something to hurt children. But there are those in every aspect of live who enjoy powergames and those using children are the easiest to come by - much satisfaction from not yet sophisticated or even suspecting children.

So what my friends, relatives and of course my family did was to take our children serious from a very early age and to tell them what to look out for, which situations to avoid (grown-ups eg normally don't ask children which way to drive but would do so in case of a planned abduction, so we advised them never to react and not to approach a car to answer questions). We told them that it is alright and necessary to say "no" to a situation they don't feel comfortable in. A cousin even explained what SSC means - not in a sexual way but you can judge any situation and your plan to become active in it considering the questions: Is it Safe? Is it Sane? And is it Consensual? Last point is important: never accept things you don't want to do (okay, you have to do your homework, be home on time and help with the household...!), have the courage to say NO! and try to omit all situations which you can't control (they are not safe) and don't do things that might turn out nasty (that would be not sane..)

Because IMHO the only way to really protect children from pedophiles and other ill-meaning folk is to make them into strong personalities who know they have a choice. Our children were raised not to be victims.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:14 PM
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As are schools, athletic teams, the internet, the Dairy Queen...
Indeed. It is the presence of children that attracts the pedophiles, and does not make such organizations, etc., inherently bad.

(Kataryn, I think you make some good points. I was taught from a young age to recognize inappropriate behavior/situations, and to tell my mother in particular if someone did do anything unusual. When I was a kid I thought she was just being annoying about such instructions, but once I was an adult, I realized how much it had helped, especially as I later found out that I had been quite close to some people who had been doing some horrible things).
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:43 PM
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I've worked with a few organizations that deal with kids and they actually go to lengths to try to prevent adults from preying on the kids. Typically there are criminal record checks carried out to ensure that people with any kind of undesirable record aren't working with the kids (I once knew a parent in his 40s who was told he couldn't be a Scout leader because he had a DUI when he was 19 on his record). A lot of organizations also training sessions on what is and is not appropriate behaviour when working with kids, and importantly how to spot signs of someone else acting inappropriately - and how to report it if you suspect it's happening.

The whole idea that Scouts, or the Catholic church, or other organizations that work with kids are associated with pedophilia in general is because when pedophilia is discovered it's reported. When it doesn't exist it's not reported. You don't pick up the paper and see the title "Scout Leader Not Molesting Children." The many people who work with kids who don't have any harmful intentions don't get recognized as such, but because the people who do have harmful intentions do get recognized and reported the general public ends up with a misconception of the relationships there. Most people who work with kids, regardless of the organization, aren't pedophiles at all.
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Kataryn, I like your SCC formula. This is good for people of all ages, not just minors.
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:18 PM
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Teaching children how to be safe is by far the best. Of course it can backfire! I remember once when I was about 7 or 8 my father was supposed to pick me up from church. Well, he had too good a poker hand to leave so he handed his car keys to a friend and told him to pick me up. Boy was he mad when I refused to get in our (very distinctive) car with someone I didn't know! My mother had quite a job calming him down saying I did only what he told me to do.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:51 PM
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keep in mind to, don't make the kids kiss grandma or an aunt and uncle if they don't want to. they need to be able to say no to anyone and everyone when they feel the need to.
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When children are on group activities, there should always be 2 different adults.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:31 AM
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Kataryn, I like your SCC formula. This is good for people of all ages, not just minors.
Excellent advice Kataryn.
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Thank you for the appreciation.

I just told my husband and he laughed and then asked me to convey a warning for those who do not know: before you talk about SSC (idea of checking things if they are Safe, Sane and Consensual) - it's a term from the BDSM-movement originally, so maybe, if you want to talk about it, you should word it a bit differently...

(Sorry, I wasn't aware where that came from, just found the term easy to remember and good advice - which it is!)
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