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Old 04-30-2018, 10:15 AM
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Thank you for the Letters Patent.
I know it should be clear but I am needing to understand a little better.

1/ Does that mean that descendants of the Queen who do have HRH and Prince/Princess do not use Mountbatten-Windsor because there is no need for a surname? or does it also mean that when in need of a surname Mountbatten-Windsor is used for all descendants regardless of their HRH status?

2/ Does it mean that should Charlotte marry she will need to adopt her spouse's surname? What if she wishes to keep her own name or if she marries a woman?
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:41 AM
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The Birth of HRH Prince Louis of Cambridge: April 23, 2018

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Thank you for the Letters Patent.
I know it should be clear but I am needing to understand a little better.

1/ Does that mean that descendants of the Queen who do have HRH and Prince/Princess do not use Mountbatten-Windsor because there is no need for a surname? or does it also mean that when in need of a surname Mountbatten-Windsor is used for all descendants regardless of their HRH status?
In practice, we have seen descendants of the Queen who are HRHs use Mountbatten-Windsor when they have been in need of a legal surname (ie when William engaged in a lawsuit in France) and their territorial designation when they need a social surname (ie George attends school as George Cambridge).

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2/ Does it mean that should Charlotte marry she will need to adopt her spouse's surname? What if she wishes to keep her own name or if she marries a woman?

Assuming Charlotte married Mr. John Smith, then her titles upon marriage will he HRH Princess Charlotte, Mrs. John Smith - we see this in how Princess Alexandra, Princess Margaret, Princess Mary, Princess Anne (prior to becoming the Princess Royal) and even the Queen (prior to becoming the Queen) are/were titled.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:20 PM
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“Prince Louis Arthur Charles of Cambridge is just days old, but souvenirs to commemorate his birth are already being produced, as manufacturers hope to satisfy Royal-watchers around the world.

At the Emma Bridgewater pottery in Stoke-on-Trent, Prince Louis mugs went into production just minutes after the new Royal baby's name was announced.”

Telegraph video: Prince Louis merchandise: mugs go on sale to mark Royal birth
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:39 PM
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But what is exactly written tp their passport ? Once I saw a pic of late Pcs Diana's passport and it was written in the cover 'HRH the Princess of wales', I don't know inside.
So their full title should appear, no?
And why Mountbatten? Does it come from the Prince of Edinburgh ? But he is Prince of Greece and UK? I know that when he married then Princess Elisabeth, he abandoned his rights to the Greek throne, but did he abandon his name also ?
It was decided by the Queen that all her descendants in male line would have the surname "Mountbatten-Windsor" when they were required to use a family name.

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HE was was required to forfeit both his name and his title. He took his uncle's name, Mountbatten and became plain Mr Philip Mountbatten.
I never quite understood why Prince Philip had to renounce his titles. Did Prince George of Denmark renounce his title when he married the future Queen Anne ? I know Prince Albert or foreign princesses who married into the British royal family like Princess Alexandra did not use their foreign titles after they were married (and were known by their British titles and styles instead), but I don't know if they ever officially gave up their foreign titles also.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:50 PM
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I think the christening day will be announced after Harry's wedding.
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Old 04-30-2018, 03:01 PM
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I never quite understood why Prince Philip had to renounce his titles. Did Prince George of Denmark renounce his title when he married the future Queen Anne ? I know Prince Albert or foreign princesses who married into the British royal family like Princess Alexandra did not use their foreign titles after they were married (and were known by their British titles and styles instead), but I don't know if they ever officially gave up their foreign titles also.

From what I understand there was a strong sentiment against Phillip. The prevailing feeling from the PTB was that the Queen needed to marry a Englishman. The idea of her marrying a foreigner was not well liked.


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Old 04-30-2018, 04:56 PM
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First of all Philip wanted to continue to serve in the British navy after the war and so needed to become British. There was a window of opportunity for all those who weren't British citizens, but who had fought for Britain to be given automatic citizenship -which route Philip used.

He had to give up his titles in the post-war period due to the anti-foreigners - particularly German feelings in Britain. Remember his sisters weren't even allowed to be invited to his wedding due the fact they had German husbands.

It later turned out Philip didn't need to be a naturalised British citizen but had actually been born one under the Sophie Naturalization Act (which also meant the Kaiser was a British citizen during WWI).

In 1917 - when the royal family changed the name from Saxe-Corburg-Gotha to Windsor a number of other family members changed their names so Prince Louis of Battenburg became Lord Louis Mountbatten 1st Marquis of Milford-Haven. As a result, when Philip needed to add a surname to his existing name of Philip he therefore chose the name his grandfather took in 1917 (Mountbatten was never his mother's name - she had been a Battenburg before her marriage in 1903).

When the Queen married Philip she, like every wife, took her husband's surname - Mountbatten. When she became Queen, Lord Louis made a comment that the House of Mountbatten now reigned (he was wrong - that wouldn't have happened until Charles reigned but ...) so Churchill convinced the Queen to declare the name was still Windsor (which it was and didn't need any announcement but ...). Then it turned out she was expecting Andrew and some one pointed out that if she stuck with Windsor then technically she was saying she wasn't married and so Andrew would be 'illegitimate' (this was before the days of children being able to take their mother's names unless they were born out of wedlock as women always took their husband's names on marriage). That is why she went the hyphenated route.

As for what will happen to George's name when his father moves up a rank:

First of all he will be Prince George of Cornwall and Cambridge. Whether he will change from Cambridge to Cornwall at school is still some way in the future I suspect - maybe a decade or more. Then - sometime after that - and it could be hours, days, weeks, months, years or even never depending on whether Charles ever creates William as Prince of Wales - he will become Prince George of Wales.

He will have a variety of names throughout his life assuming he goes all the way:

HRH Prince George of Cambridge
HRH Prince George of Cornwall and Cambridge
HRH Prince George of Wales
HRH The Duke of Cornwall etc
HRH The Prince of Wales
HM The KIng
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:20 AM
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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have formally registered the birth of Prince Louis, @KensingtonRoyal says. The Duke of Cambridge signed the birth register at Kensington Palace this morning, witnessed by a Registrar from Westminster Register Office.

Via Lizzie Robinson ITV Twitter

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Old 05-01-2018, 09:35 AM
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I think the Cambridge children will change to Wales (for school etc) once William is the PoW.


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Yes, most likely. I don't expect them to change to 'Cornwall and Cambridge' for the 'in-between'.
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Old 05-01-2018, 09:39 AM
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I’d expect that to depend on when they become “of Wales”. If they’re older, they might continue to be “Cambridge” despite the name change - case in point, William continued to use “Wales” in SAR after his marriage.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:09 AM
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Yes, most likely. I don't expect them to change to 'Cornwall and Cambridge' for the 'in-between'.
I suspect the answer will lie in how long it takes for Charles to create William as Pow.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:17 AM
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Unlikely to be long, I think. Perhaps on Coronation Day ?
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:39 AM
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The change of title is automatic - William will be the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge and as Cornwall is the most senior title, I can see them using just "Cornwall". I also think that it would be an opportunity to remind people that titles are about position rather than owned by individuals.

Last time this happened was when Edward VII came to the throne - his heir became Duke of Cornwall and York. It took c.6 months before he was created Prince of Wales.

I think that sort of timeline could happen again. Definitely before the Coronation as the focus should be on the King, rather than William.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:40 AM
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Unlikely to be long, I think. Perhaps on Coronation Day ?
That’s my guess or even earlier. I don’t know why people think he’ll have to wait. It’s not a title you need to ‘earn’. Plus William is popular in Wales. Charles was only around 10 when he became Pow.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:51 AM
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That’s my guess or even earlier. I don’t know why people think he’ll have to wait. It’s not a title you need to ‘earn’. Plus William is popular in Wales. Charles was only around 10 when he became Pow.
Exactly; there was a delay of some six years.
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:00 AM
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I just saw a report where the birth certificate for Prince Louis had been released. I noticed that Prince William is list as "His Royal Highness Prince William...." but Kate is listed as "Catherine Elizabeth....Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge". Why is the "Royal Highness" not listed at the beginning of her name as it is with William's?
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:00 AM
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Exactly; there was a delay of some six years.
I think waiting for a child to be old enough to comprehend the title being granted is different from the argument William will be made to wait as an adult. Wait for what?
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:03 AM
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I just saw a report where the birth certificate for Prince Louis had been released. I noticed that Prince William is list as "His Royal Highness Prince William...." but Kate is listed as "Catherine Elizabeth....Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge". Why is the "Royal Highness" not listed at the beginning of her name as it is with William's?
Because she’s not HRH Catherine Elizabeth. She’s HRH The Duchess of Cambridge. Her names aren’t part of her title.
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:18 AM
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I just saw a report where the birth certificate for Prince Louis had been released. I noticed that Prince William is list as "His Royal Highness Prince William...." but Kate is listed as "Catherine Elizabeth....Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge". Why is the "Royal Highness" not listed at the beginning of her name as it is with William's?
She is not a princess of the blood. She is a princess (William) by marriage.


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Old 05-01-2018, 01:00 PM
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“Pubgoers can wet the head of the newest Royal Prince Louis at the first pub to be named in his honour.

The McMullen and Sons pub, in Notley Green, Great Notley, is set to open to punters for the first time on May 9, and excitement is already building in the village.”

Read more: Great Notley pub gets a right Royal name after little Prince Louis | Braintree and Witham Times
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