Prince William and Catherine Middleton Possible Titles

[Duchess of Durham]

Originally Posted by Zonk

We have a couple of people who are very knowledgeable and can make reference to specific patents. I would suggest that you continue to check back and they will help...I am surprised that they haven't popped up yet.

Thank you, Zonk!

[Thena]

I'm sure you could research the applicable Letters Patent regarding the appropriate style for the wife of the son of the sovereign's son, but Wikipedia has a nice chart.

[agogo]

I think that she will be called, Catherine, Duchess of ........whatever. Then when Prince William becomes the Princes of Wales, she will be Catherine, Princess of Wales. Right?

[Lumutqueen]

Her Royal Highness The Princess William Arthur Phillip Louis, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, Countess of Carrick, Baroness of Renfrew, Lady of the Isles, Princess of Scotland.

That is Camilla's current title.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by agogo

I think that she will be called, Catherine, Duchess of ........whatever. Then when Prince William becomes the Princes of Wales, she will be Catherine, Princess of Wales. Right?

Upon marrying, a Royal prince assumes the title of Duke, therefore she'll be a Duchess ...... not bad for the daughter of a fancy dress hirer, eh?

[Sunnystar]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Upon marrying, a Royal prince assumes the title of Duke, therefore she'll be a Duchess ...... not bad for the daughter of a fancy dress hirer, eh?

Which is why Edward is an Earl???? It's up to HM The Queen to determine what sort of title, if any, William will receive upon marriage. It could be that she doesn't give him one at all, in which case, Catherine would be HRH Princess William of Wales.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Upon marrying, a Royal prince assumes the title of Duke, therefore she'll be a Duchess ...... not bad for the daughter of a fancy dress hirer, eh?

No he doesn't.
IF HM gives William and dukedom, then Catherine will become a Duchess. But only then.

Edward is an Earl, because that's why he asked for.

[Sister Morphine]

I don't know if The Queen will bestow William with a dukedom when he gets married. Let's face it, whether she does or doesn't, it's not going to stop the press from calling her Princess Catherine, even though that would be incorrect as she's not a princess in her own right.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

No he doesn't.

Edward is an Earl, because that's why he asked for.

Do you have any basis for suggesting that Edward asked to be created an Earl and not a Duke?

[Lumutqueen]

If he wanted to be a Duke, surely he would have been made one when he married, rather than an Earl.
They have shown that the family want a quiet life, and being a Duke and Duchess of wherever might not have allowed them to lead a quiet life.

I have no actual basis for what I said.

[CrownPrincess5]

Why is she styled Catherine now??
Is it a must that she can't use her nickname?

[Lumutqueen]

It isn't a must.
But the press announced that she will officially be known as Catherine. Which is her name.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

If he wanted to be a Duke, surely he would have been made one when he married, rather than an Earl.
They have shown that the family want a quiet life, and being a Duke and Duchess of wherever might not have allowed them to lead a quiet life.

I have no actual basis for what I said.

At the time that the title of Earl of Wessex was bestowed upon Edward, it was also announced that it was intended, following the death of his parents, that Edward would be created Duke of Edinburgh. If was also reported at the time that BP did not want to create another ducal title for Edward.

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

They have shown that the family want a quiet life, and being a Duke and Duchess of wherever might not have allowed them to lead a quiet life.

I am not sure that the "quiet life" might be materially impacted by a ducal title as opposed to an earldom.

[Lady Marmalade]

Ok...well..actually, When Prince Philip dies the title goes to Charles, his oldest son. When Charles becomes King, the title would merge into the crown and he could create it again for Edward.

Diana was always incorrectly called Princess Di or Princess Diana, more so here in the states.

Unless the Queen offers, and Williams accepts, another title based on a Dukedom, Earldom, etc... she will be HRH Princess William of Wales.

[Sister Morphine]

Originally Posted by muriel

Do you have any basis for suggesting that Edward asked to be created an Earl and not a Duke?

Wasn't it reported that he said he wanted to be styled as an Earl because he didn't want his children burdened with the expectations/duties that come with a senior title, like that of his nieces and nephews? I've read that here more than a few times, in fact. Of course legally his children are HRH Princess Louise and HRH Prince James, as there no letters patent to state otherwise, but they were styled according to their father's wishes in accordance with his own style as an Earl. Had he been given a Dukedom like his brother Andrew was, his children would have been HRH Prince/Princess from the outset.

[Duchess of Durham]

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

Ok...well..actually, When Prince Philip dies the title goes to Charles, his oldest son. When Charles becomes King, the title would merge into the crown and he could create it again for Edward.

Diana was always incorrectly called Princess Di or Princess Diana, more so here in the states.

Unless the Queen offers, and Williams accepts, another title based on a Dukedom, Earldom, etc... she will be HRH Princess William of Wales.

If William is offered a dukedom and accepts, would Catherine's "official" title be HRH Princess Catherine Duchess of _______?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Duchess of Durham

If William is offered a dukedom and accepts, would Catherine's "official" title be HRH Princess Catherine Duchess of _______?

No because she is not a Princess in her own right.
She would be Catherine, Duchess of Wherever.
Or HRH Princess William of Wales.

[Sister Morphine]

Originally Posted by Duchess of Durham

If William is offered a dukedom and accepts, would Catherine's "official" title be HRH Princess Catherine Duchess of _______?

No. She's not a Princess in her own right, unlike Maxima of the Netherlands. If William is offered a dukedom, her official title would be HRH The Duchess of ______ just like when Sarah Ferguson married Prince Andrew. If he's NOT offered a dukedom, she will be HRH Princess William of Wales.

The only women who are allowed to use the word "princess" before their given names are women made princesses in their own right or women who are princesses of the blood royal.

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

No because she is not a Princess in her own right.
She would be Catherine, Duchess of Wherever.
Or HRH Princess William of Wales.

She would NOT be Catherine, Duchess of Whatever unless they are divorced.

She would be HRH The Duchess of Whatever.

Catherine won't figure in her official names from marriage until William becomes King. She loses that identify officially on marriage.

If no title is given she would be HRH Princess William of Wales. On Charles' accession she will automatically become HRH The Duchess of Cornwall, The Duchess of Rothesay etc. If William is created Prince of Wales then she would become HRH The Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester (Earl of Chester is usually also used with the Prince of Wales title).

[Duchess of Durham]

Can the Queen create a princedom?