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So after Phillip passes who gets Edinburgh?
LaRae
LaRae
There are at least two precedents for the combining of the Cornwall title with another Dukedom. These are the most recent but I have only gone back about 300 years.
Frederick, Prince of Wales was Duke of Cornwall and Edinburgh from June 1727 until January 1729 - or 19 months before his father created him Prince of Wales.
George V was HRH The Duke of Cornwall and York from January to November 1901.
It would therefore be assumed that William will be HRH The Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge from the death of his grandmother until such time as his father decides to grant him the title Prince of Wales - if he ever does do so.
If Charles predeceases his mother then William isn't eligible for the Cornwall title which we saw with George III who was never Duke of Cornwall although he did inherit his father's Edinburgh title. His grandfather created him Prince of Wales a month after Frederick's death.
The practice for Royal Dukedoms is that when their sons are also Princes those princes to not use the courtesy title of their father's titles e.g. The Duke of Kent was known as HRH Prince Edward of Kent from his birth until he succeeded to the title just as his brother and sister are still known as HRH Prince/Princess; The Duke of Gloucester was HRH Prince Richard of Gloucester from birth until her inherited the title and Prince Charles was HRH Prince Charles from birth until his mother's accession. None of these princes used their father's subsidiary titles as courtesy titles but were known as Princes from birth.
When the son isn't a Prince then he uses the courtesy title - e.g. James uses Viscount Severn because he isn't a Prince (and I am not going to debate that again - I know the arguments both ways), and the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent's heirs use the second titles and the grandsons use the third titles.
So George won't use Cambridge as a subsidiary title when William becomes Duke of Cornwall - anymore than the future Edward VIII used York after his grandfather became King in 1901. He went from being HRH Prince Edward of York to HRH Prince Edward of Cornwall and York to HRH Prince Edward of Wales inside 9 months and George would follow that precedent.
The only way George gains the Cambridge title is if William dies before becoming King - then regardless of any other titles George may have he would inherit Cambridge as well.
George could, in theory, also inherit Edinburgh (hopefully this scenario would not play out) if Charles and William were to predecease Philip and The Queen then George would be Duke of Edinburgh and Cambridge - inheriting Edinburgh from his great-grandfather and then Cambridge from his father. Both would then merge with the Crown when George succeeded of course.
So after Phillip passes who gets Edinburgh?
LaRae
Thanks so much for explaining this in the way you did. My question is why do you see some items with William last name on them as Wales after William was made Duke of Cambridge should it not be Cambridge since that is his title. It was on the name part of his military uniform. His son after all is Prince George of Cambridge?
As far as last names are concerned (most royals don't use them it seems) I would think William is a Mountbatten since the DoE took that name and gave up his Greek/Danish titles and became a Brit before he married the Queen (then Princess Elizabeth). I think he might of been a Glucksberg otherwise but the era this all went on in, too German or foreign sounding.
Although there is the Windsor thing that was adopted. I'm not sure why they (William etc) didn't just use Windsor.
LaRae
William ceased to be "of Wales" when he became Duke of Cambridge.
However, the use of "Wales" as a surname was never because it was his legal name, but rather by choice. I suspect that since he had been "Wales" throughout his schooling and military career up to that point, William saw no need to change it even if "Cambridge" would have been appropriate as well.
It will be interesting to see if he goes by Wales or Cambridge at this point in his career.
Thats in French law not British. British royals with HRH don't have surnames. They are not Mr, Miss, Ms or Mrs. The HRH is their form of address. Non titled Royals use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor. Titled royals would use Mountbatten-Windsor if needed in legal matters.If I am remembering things right, when Wills and Kate filed a lawsuit in France when those photos were taken, William used the surname of Mountbatten-Windsor on the legal document. Kate used Catherine Middleton as women use their maiden name in France. The document is probably here in the archives somewhere.
The only person who uses Mountbatten-Windsor officially, of course, is Louise who is Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor which is a clear indication of what the family surname is, if and when they actually need to use one.
Traditionally the children of Royal Dukes have used their father's title as a 'surname' of a sort but more to distinguish which family they belong to - very useful for Queen Victoria's grandchildren as Princess Victoria could have been a granddaughter through a number of her children but using 'of Hesse' or 'of Wales' meant that everyone knew which person was being referred to.
Wouldn't James likely use it as well? I mean in school and similar settings, not on the CC. Or is it common for the elder sons of British peers to go by their courtesy title?
I am quite liking Edmund for a boy, but I don't know if they would actually go there. The names George and Edmund are so handsome together. I think it would be rad if they used Albert in the middle, thereby continuing the tradition of including Albert in the second son's name. However, seeing as they didn't continue the Arthur tradition, I doubt they will do it this time around. Edmund Philip James or Edmund Philip David are both very beautiful combinations.
As for a girl, I am sticking to me guess from when they were expecting George, which is Matilda. I think it has everything. It has the history in Empress Matilda; it has the modern feel to it, so it doesn't sound way too old; and it sounds really nice with George. George and Matilda – that's a set of sibling names meant for each other. Matilda Margaret Elizabeth, Matilda Elizabeth Rose or Matilda Eleanor Elizabeth are currently my top picks for a wee princess.
It's well known that dynastically, Queen Victoria wanted her and Albert's descendants to have Albert prominently among their forenames if male and Victoria if female.
She undoubtedly intended for their eldest son to reign as Albert Edward. However Edward VIII had other ideas when he came to the throne.
After the Duke of Clarence's premature death Queen Victoria was faced with having a grandson named George as second in line. There's a well-known story that she tried her hardest to make him promise to include Albert in his name when he eventually would succeed, but Prince George refused.
Since the war Victoria has not been used among the British royal family and Albert very sparingly. I think Harry was the last. A lesson perhaps in trying to impose your will on future generations.
George VI wasn't the elder son, so his having the name Arthur wasn't part of the pattern.
if i remember correctly when P.George's names were announced, avid lady Diana fans insisted that he was named after her cousins...
(personally i didn't believe it by the way..)
Are there names from the Spencer side of the family that would spark a similar claim?