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Old 03-20-2020, 06:37 PM
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Perfect time for a visit and lifts spirit of people in front lines of this crisis.
I think so too. As we hear of concerns for HM and Philip, Charles and Camilla and pretty much see them sheltering in place for the time being, seeing William and Catherine doing engagements as usual sends a powerful picture that will serve to alleviate any fears and that the younger generations are more able to sustain health during these times and fight the infection rather than promote mass panic and fear that not seeing *any* royal at work would cause.

Drawing attention to those that *are* in the front lines and are working tirelessly during this pandemic is also to be applauded. These are the people that are depended on should someone need them. The unsung heroes of this crisis.
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Old 03-20-2020, 06:40 PM
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A lovely idea for a visit; particularly at this uncertain time. The Cambridges care a lot about the public and it shows from visits such as this one, which I'm sure was greatly welcomed by the ambulance team!
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:24 PM
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Reminds me a bit of William's great grandparents during WWII. I think William and Catherine are growing into their roles very nicely.
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:33 PM
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Not quite sure when folks are being told to stay home, they should be out doing this.


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Old 03-20-2020, 07:41 PM
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And meeting with 111 people is dangerous now.
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Old 03-20-2020, 09:56 PM
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Not quite sure when folks are being told to stay home, they should be out doing this.


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As long as the couple are following the NHS guidelines for healthy people under seventy in regards to sanitation, conscious social distancing from sick people and refraining from touch contact ie hand shakes/hugs, then I believe that the occasional and approved visit would be a reasonable expectation.
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Old 03-20-2020, 10:00 PM
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The guideline specifically states for ALL people not just those unhealthy or over 70 to stay home and the Cambridges should have led by example.
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Old 03-20-2020, 10:08 PM
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The guideline specifically states for ALL people not just those unhealthy or over 70 to stay home and the Cambridges should have led by example.
The Cambridges are in the UK and are following the NHS guidelines. They are not the same everywhere, every country has different rules about this.
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Old 03-20-2020, 11:20 PM
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Itís important to support people in front lines. Especially this is just the beginning of the crisis. Prince William was aware that next trip he might need to do this over video.

Some people just love to criticize. I am glad they went and show the support in person as it is still possible to do that.
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Old 03-20-2020, 11:43 PM
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Working in the front lines, I can say support is great to be seen.

But support does not need or should it be in Person. Videos at this time are far more effective. They show people that you are thinking and supporting them, but you are also concerned for their health and others as well.

The reality is anyone of any age can be at risk. Schools are closed, because kids (like George and Charlotte) are at risk. And yet some adults are out as normal life. And risking the spread of germs.

The last thing air hospitals, actual hospitals and other front line workers need is unnecessary exposure to people who may carry. Its not about the Cambridges getting sick, its about the people who they meet who could. The last thing any country needs is for the care workers to get ill and not be able to do the job they are needed for.

So yes, its important for people in the spotlight to set an example.
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:03 AM
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This kind of remind me of when George VI and Queen Elizabeth made their appearance after London bombing. Sometimes sending video message is not enough and they have to be there in person. Considering that HM and PoW are on "risk age", the high ranking royal after them is DoC.

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The guideline specifically states for ALL people not just those unhealthy or over 70 to stay home and the Cambridges should have led by example.
No, it's not ALL people. Even in a cities which under lockdown.
I mean, what about medics? Are they not 'people'?
What about police who keep the order and safety?
What about emergency worker who's always on standby for call?
What about employee in power company who make sure that the electricity will always working?
What about truck drivers, store owners, and others in food sectors who have to be there so foods and other daily necessity will always available (since it can't just appear out of nowhere by magic)?
What about news reporters?
Are those mentioned above not 'people'?

Some people HAVE TO be outside their home. In case for W&C, they're there aside from giving morale support (and thanks) for the NHS staff and emergency workers, they also there to highlight about their works and pass the message. That's what royals do: passing message.

As mentioned by Garret Emmerson (London Ambulance CEO) in short video shared by KP, they're incredibly busy at the moment because almost everyone call, even those who actually don't need help. And that member of public can help to alleviate the pressure from the system by checking the NHS website first before calling, so people who really need help can get help faster. Imagine someone calls with "Do I need to go to hospital? I think I have a cough? Am I dying?" while someone else who really sick can't get in because the line is busy.

Just like the case of face masks shortage. Masks are limited, so if all healthy people who mostly just walking on the street for nothing buy mask in huge amount, the medical workers who really in needs (because they can't self isolate at home, even though they want) can't get it. Then what happen if they also get sick, who will heal us?
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:57 AM
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Those are the guidelines in the UK. The Duke of Cambridge even referenced it at the visit.

As a healthcare worker- a registered nurse to be exact, I know first hand how serious this is.
I had 25 year old patient post C-section sent to the ICU who ended up with collapsed lungs because of COVID-19.

It is flat out dangerous and irresponsible to make any unnecessary public appearance.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:13 AM
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This cannot be compared to what King George VI and Queen Elizabeth did after the air raid. Coronavirus is a VIRUS. It is not a one time singular event. We are in the middle of an ongoing pandemic.

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This kind of remind me of when George VI and Queen Elizabeth made their appearance after London bombing. Sometimes sending video message is not enough and they have to be there in person. Considering that HM and PoW are on "risk age", the high ranking royal after them is DoC.



No, it's not ALL people. Even in a cities which under lockdown.
I mean, what about medics? Are they not 'people'?
What about police who keep the order and safety?
What about emergency worker who's always on standby for call?
What about employee in power company who make sure that the electricity will always working?
What about truck drivers, store owners, and others in food sectors who have to be there so foods and other daily necessity will always available (since it can't just appear out of nowhere by magic)?
What about news reporters?
Are those mentioned above not 'people'?

Some people HAVE TO be outside their home. In case for W&C, they're there aside from giving morale support (and thanks) for the NHS staff and emergency workers, they also there to highlight about their works and pass the message. That's what royals do: passing message.

As mentioned by Garret Emmerson (London Ambulance CEO) in short video shared by KP, they're incredibly busy at the moment because almost everyone call, even those who actually don't need help. And that member of public can help to alleviate the pressure from the system by checking the NHS website first before calling, so people who really need help can get help faster. Imagine someone calls with "Do I need to go to hospital? I think I have a cough? Am I dying?" while someone else who really sick can't get in because the line is busy.

Just like the case of face masks shortage. Masks are limited, so if all healthy people who mostly just walking on the street for nothing buy mask in huge amount, the medical workers who really in needs (because they can't self isolate at home, even though they want) can't get it. Then what happen if they also get sick, who will heal us?
The British government has made it clear for people to stay home and avoid large and small gatherings. See:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nerable-adults
BoJo in his press conference emphasizes the " need to keep people apart".

Police officers, Healthcare workers, and first responder have no choice but to show up for work. However, our jobs will be alot easier if everyone (including the Cambridges)heeds the official warnings.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:32 AM
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This cannot be compared to what King George VI and Queen Elizabeth did after the air raid. Coronavirus is a VIRUS. It is not a one time singular event. We are in the middle of an ongoing pandemic.

The British government has made it clear for people to stay home and avoid large and small gatherings. See:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nerable-adults
BoJo in his press conference emphasizes the " need to keep people apart".

Police officers, Healthcare workers, and first responder have no choice but to show up for work. However, our jobs will be alot easier if everyone (including the Cambridges)heeds the official warnings.
What you are saying is very true. One thing though is that with where the Cambridges chose to visit in person, it was among those people that really understand what is going on out there and are probably going the extra mile in precautions to prevent contracting this virus. To have William and Catherine specifically make it a point to visit them in person must have really boosted their morale and gave us all more reasons to remember that these are the heroes that are on the front lines of battle against this virus.

I do not expect the Cambridges to be popping up at many places in the future at all. It just made sense to me that they did visit this one organization.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:40 AM
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This kind of remind me of when George VI and Queen Elizabeth made their appearance after London bombing. Sometimes sending video message is not enough and they have to be there in person. Considering that HM and PoW are on "risk age", the high ranking royal after them is DoC.



No, it's not ALL people. Even in a cities which under lockdown.
I mean, what about medics? Are they not 'people'?
What about police who keep the order and safety?
What about emergency worker who's always on standby for call?
What about employee in power company who make sure that the electricity will always working?
What about truck drivers, store owners, and others in food sectors who have to be there so foods and other daily necessity will always available (since it can't just appear out of nowhere by magic)?
What about news reporters?
Are those mentioned above not 'people'?

Some people HAVE TO be outside their home. In case for W&C, they're there aside from giving morale support (and thanks) for the NHS staff and emergency workers, they also there to highlight about their works and pass the message. That's what royals do: passing message.

As mentioned by Garret Emmerson (London Ambulance CEO) in short video shared by KP, they're incredibly busy at the moment because almost everyone call, even those who actually don't need help. And that member of public can help to alleviate the pressure from the system by checking the NHS website first before calling, so people who really need help can get help faster. Imagine someone calls with "Do I need to go to hospital? I think I have a cough? Am I dying?" while someone else who really sick can't get in because the line is busy.

Just like the case of face masks shortage. Masks are limited, so if all healthy people who mostly just walking on the street for nothing buy mask in huge amount, the medical workers who really in needs (because they can't self isolate at home, even though they want) can't get it. Then what happen if they also get sick, who will heal us?
You cant compare the London bombings. There was not a ban on people gathering in public. Groups of people were not a threat to lives back then.

People don't listen to the news casters and common people about masks. About staying home. About all the other messages. That is why people in places of power and influence need to be an Example.

Medical professionals all over the world are telling people 'we go to work for you, stay home for us'. So no, they don't need an 'in person visit' to raise their spirits. They would rather not risk the germs so that they can focus on their jobs and be there to help people.


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What you are saying is very true. One thing though is that with where the Cambridges chose to visit in person, it was among those people that really understand what is going on out there and are probably going the extra mile in precautions to prevent contracting this virus. To have William and Catherine specifically make it a point to visit them in person must have really boosted their morale and gave us all more reasons to remember that these are the heroes that are on the front lines of battle against this virus.

I do not expect the Cambridges to be popping up at many places in the future at all. It just made sense to me that they did visit this one organization.
Speaking from people are on the front lines, it doesn't boost Morale to have an in person visit.

Its not about a clap on the back. Its about listening to advice and making the jobs of medical professionals as easy as possible. A video would be a bigger boost, as it would 'hey we are Listening'.
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Old 03-21-2020, 02:02 AM
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You cant compare the London bombings. There was not a ban on people gathering in public. Groups of people were not a threat to lives back then.

People don't listen to the news casters and common people about masks. About staying home. About all the other messages. That is why people in places of power and influence need to be an Example.

Medical professionals all over the world are telling people 'we go to work for you, stay home for us'. So no, they don't need an 'in person visit' to raise their spirits. They would rather not risk the germs so that they can focus on their jobs and be there to help people.




Speaking from people are on the front lines, it doesn't boost Morale to have an in person visit.

Its not about a clap on the back. Its about listening to advice and making the jobs of medical professionals as easy as possible. A video would be a bigger boost, as it would 'hey we are Listening'.
I am going to take your word and explanation to heart and change my point of view on this. You're absolutely correct that this is a time to listen to and adhere to what our medical professionals (such as you are) tell us. My apologies.
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:54 AM
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There is talk of having to ask for volunteer help on the front line in hospitals here in Australia if the virus demands it. Has Britain made calls for student nurses and retired medicos, and the like, to consider making up numbers?
Do you think Prince William would feel a pang to be there helping in a practical sense, given his past rescue career?
Yes the UK's NHS has requested that recently retired doctors and nurses return to assist during this time.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51969104


As to Prince William wanting to return to EAAA to assist, I wouldn't be surprised if he has considered it but I believe that would depend if he's kept up his license and required flying hours.
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Duke and Duchess of Cambridge Current Events 7: September 2016

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How do you know those peopleís morale were not boosted? You canít speak for other people. Just give your opinion.

Happy to see the Cambridges supporting the people in the front lines. For me, it matters and it makes a difference. Others might feel different, thatís okay too. Letís all agree to disagree.
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The guideline specifically states for ALL people not just those unhealthy or over 70 to stay home and the Cambridges should have led by example.
What guideline exactly?

The NHS website currently has the following information:

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How to avoid catching and spreading coronavirus (social distancing)
Everyone should do what they can to stop coronavirus spreading.

It is particularly important for people who:
  • are 70 or over
  • have a long-term condition
  • are pregnant
  • have a weakened immune system
You should also be doing the following according to NHS, this is just a snippet, I'm not listing them all, wash your hands with soap and water often, only travel on public transport if you need to, avoid social activities, such as going to pubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas (closure of these venues was announced on Friday, after the visit), avoid events with large groups of people.

What part of the above didn't William and Catherine follow? NHS worker here.

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And meeting with 111 people is dangerous now.
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Every country is different and even different areas in a country is treating this virus differently. The main thing is for us is to use our own common sense and do what is required for us where we are.

I'm sure that this incident with William and Catherine was deeply taken in consideration of the risks and was given the go ahead for them, at that time, where they were the were going and all the pros and cons addressed.
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