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Old 06-23-2020, 08:05 AM
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I don't think the number of votes represent the number of people interested in the return of the monarchy. However, I can fully understand why people wouldn't vote for a one-issue party. I am sure they have more important concerns.
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Old 06-23-2020, 12:42 PM
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So 97,3 % of the Serbian electorate was not at all attracted to the royalist party. That is the clear conclusion.


My advice to the Serbian royal family would be: aim for a Romanian situation, in which a Royal House co-exists in the framework of a republican state structure.

I wouldn't interpretend this as conclusion for support or opposition for monarchy. It wasn't referendum over restoration but there was electer members of parliament. People just have more important things than restoration of monarchy. Surely actual support for restoration is higher.
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Old 06-24-2020, 04:06 AM
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I wouldn't interpretend this as conclusion for support or opposition for monarchy. It wasn't referendum over restoration but there was electer members of parliament. People just have more important things than restoration of monarchy. Surely actual support for restoration is higher.

Okay, let us triple or quadruple the score, it still remains just around the 10%.
My advice would be: do it the Romanian way, try to obtain a formal position as Royal House in the Serbian republican state structure.


Then you have that stronghold. And from that position, one can always continue to fight for an ideal. Or not. The Romanian situation is the best one can get. Even in Romania it is illusoir to expect a 2/3rd majority voting to end the office of an elected President in favour of a system of hereditary succession.
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Old 06-24-2020, 01:53 PM
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I have to agree the number does not represent the whole monarchist population and the timing is bad.

The Romanian way is also a better alternative. But I am crossing my fingers for other countries to accept monarchy as a better type of government.
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Old 06-24-2020, 02:23 PM
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I have to agree the number does not represent the whole monarchist population and the timing is bad.

The Romanian way is also a better alternative. But I am crossing my fingers for other countries to accept monarchy as a better type of government.
Not likely to happen. Occasionally a monarchy is restored but its very rare adn the Balkan states's monarchies did not have a very long history... so very very unlikely.
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Old 06-25-2020, 12:27 AM
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I have to agree the number does not represent the whole monarchist population and the timing is bad.

The Romanian way is also a better alternative. But I am crossing my fingers for other countries to accept monarchy as a better type of government.
The Romanians have the best of two worlds: there is a functioning Royal House with little difference to other Royal Houses. And the "democratic deficit" which is an intrinsic part of a monarchy is solved as there is a democratically elected head of state indeed.
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:54 AM
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The Romanians have the best of two worlds: there is a functioning Royal House with little difference to other Royal Houses. And the "democratic deficit" which is an intrinsic part of a monarchy is solved as there is a democratically elected head of state indeed.
Agreed. This is the way to go for the Royal Houses of Serbia, Albania and Montenegro. They could also follow the example of the Romanians with respect to Moldova and further develop a profile/role as a reference point between their countries and the Serb, Albanian and Montenegrin people living outside the state boundaries, in Bosnia, Kosovo and elsewhere, a bit like heads of a commonwealth, but of a nation rather than of states.
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:03 AM
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Agreed. This is the way to go for the Royal Houses of Serbia, Albania and Montenegro. They could also follow the example of the Romanians with respect to Moldova and further develop a profile/role as a reference point between their countries and the Serb, Albanian and Montenegrin people living outside the state boundaries, in Bosnia, Kosovo and elsewhere, a bit like heads of a commonwealth, but of a nation rather than of states.
To my knowledge, although not as high-profile as their Romanian colleagues, the Petrović's of Montenegro has a similar and very good deal in place for themselves as representatives of the Montenegrin people.
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To my knowledge, although not as high-profile as their Romanian colleagues, the Petrović's of Montenegro has a similar and very good deal in place for themselves as representatives of the Montenegrin people.
That's my understanding, too.
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Old 07-01-2020, 08:22 AM
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The Royal Houses of Serbia have a very up to date and functional website they also have a good presence on Social Media ,far more impressive and media savvy than some of the reigning houses.
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The Royal Houses of Serbia have a very up to date and functional website they also have a good presence on Social Media ,far more impressive and media savvy than some of the reigning houses.
This is true...

But, the royal family with in itself is not united at all and that's what makes the difference from some other countries.

Sons of CP do not get along with his wife, that's one of the reasons they don't live in Serbia, they do not speak Serbian... Although living in Serbia for almost 20 years, Crown Prince himself and his wife still do not speak Serbian properly and because of that are target of many jokes.

Cousins do not get along also, do not live in Serbia, nobody knows who they are in fact and there are many of them...So, the people in Serbia recognize that and it's a pity because if they were united, things could have been better.
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Old 07-01-2020, 06:03 PM
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Yes, that surely doesn't help. I wonder whether the move of prince Philip and his family to Serbia would make any difference. So far the hereditary prince doesn't have a heir of his own.

Crown princess Katherine at times makes me think of grand duchess Maria Teresa. Both seem to 'overpower' their husbands. With of course the important distinction that Katherine is very much promoting herself and her own family (of her first marriage) at the cost of the royal family, while MT's family is the grand ducal family.
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Old 07-02-2020, 06:47 PM
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Yes, that surely doesn't help. I wonder whether the move of prince Philip and his family to Serbia would make any difference. So far the hereditary prince doesn't have a heir of his own.
I don't think it would make the difference. He has to be very "Serbian" so that people can connect with him, but he is not that kind of material. The only member which is universally loved is Princess Elizabeth despite all the bad things her own daughter Christina has written about her. She knows "how to do it" with the people, she speaks Serbian much better, people love her, but as she is universally popular she is a thorn in the flash of Crown Princess Katherine, who would love to be popular, but no matter what she does, she isn't. That's why there isn;t much love between the two of them.

Prince Tomislav, uncle of Crown Prince Alexander was very popular among people as people recognized him very much a "Serbian guy". He lived simple, spoke Serbian very good and was at the same time very royal and very down to earth. He also knew with the local people.

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Crown princess Katherine at times makes me think of grand duchess Maria Teresa. Both seem to 'overpower' their husbands. With of course the important distinction that Katherine is very much promoting herself and her own family (of her first marriage) at the cost of the royal family, while MT's family is the grand ducal family.
Well, she want's it too badly, which people can read in many newspapers...and that kind of attitude can be said for the Crown Prince, although many people who know him better said that he is good-hearted, but directed what to do by her...and people don't like that.
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I don't think it would make the difference. He has to be very "Serbian" so that people can connect with him, but he is not that kind of material. The only member which is universally loved is Princess Elizabeth despite all the bad things her own daughter Christina has written about her. She knows "how to do it" with the people, she speaks Serbian much better, people love her, but as she is universally popular she is a thorn in the flash of Crown Princess Katherine, who would love to be popular, but no matter what she does, she isn't. That's why there isn;t much love between the two of them.

Prince Tomislav, uncle of Crown Prince Alexander was very popular among people as people recognized him very much a "Serbian guy". He lived simple, spoke Serbian very good and was at the same time very royal and very down to earth. He also knew with the local people.



Well, she want's it too badly, which people can read in many newspapers...and that kind of attitude can be said for the Crown Prince, although many people who know him better said that he is good-hearted, but directed what to do by her...and people don't like that.
I'm very interested to read your comments. Thank you. Sadly, many Royal families across the Balkan peninsula have similar problems, particularly Margareta, Alexander II, Constantine II, Simeon II and Nikola II, in that the heirs of the next generation seemingly lack interest or commitment. I suppose that they never expected that there would be a role for them and made their lives elsewhere.

These families were, to a certain extent, 'robbed' of their native language and culture by the governments who exiled them, so I feel sorry that some are mocked for their language abilities. They all seem to speak several other European languages.
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Old 07-04-2020, 07:09 AM
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I'm very interested to read your comments. Thank you. Sadly, many Royal families across the Balkan peninsula have similar problems, particularly Margareta, Alexander II, Constantine II, Simeon II and Nikola II, in that the heirs of the next generation seemingly lack interest or commitment. I suppose that they never expected that there would be a role for them and made their lives elsewhere.

These families were, to a certain extent, 'robbed' of their native language and culture by the governments who exiled them, so I feel sorry that some are mocked for their language abilities. They all seem to speak several other European languages.
Well, this is nice to read. Yesterday's article:

https://serbiantimes.info/svuda-podi...u-srbiji-foto/

For the article, please use google translate or something else, as the text is in Serbian. It literally means: "Go everywhere, but get back to your home." Prince Philip (or Filip in Serbian) and his immediate family decided to come back and live in Belgrade.
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