Restoration of the Serbian Monarchy

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Oh wow, I had no idea how unpopular the royal family are in Serbia. I'd always gotten the impression that they were well-liked, but I'm clearly wrong.

But I can understand why the Serbian people would be frustrated at Crown Prince Alexander for not learning Serbian. It gives the impression that he has a lack of interest in his role (though I don't think he does have a lack of interest as he is quite active in his 'duties') and the culture of Serbia. Does Crown Princess Katherine or any other members of the royal family speak Serbian?

You can not make the conclusion that Prince Alexander "is unpopular" on base of the above video. All reigning royals have experienced booing, insults, things were thrown to them, whatever. There are always hot-heads. Ask King Felipe of Spain, ask King Philippe of the Belgians, ask King Willem-Alexander (there was even an idiot trying to kill the Dutch royal family on Queen's Day, live on television). But all three Kings have a general approval, so it is tricky to jump to conclusions because some Serbians (and there are really some backward and intolerant ones between them) booed the Prince.

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

You can not make the conclusion that Prince Alexander "is unpopular" on base of the above video. All reigning royals have experienced booing, insults, things were thrown to them, whatever. There are always hot-heads. Ask King Felipe of Spain, ask King Philippe of the Belgians, ask King Willem-Alexander (there was even an idiot trying to kill the Dutch royal family on Queen's Day, live on television). But all three Kings have a general approval, so it is tricky to jump to conclusions because some Serbians (and there are really some backward and intolerant ones between them) booed the Prince.

Well, I didn't make an assumption based on the video. My assumption was based on the other posts in this thread. I just quoted the video because it intrigued me and the "I didn't realise..." comment was meant in a general way. I guess it wasn't very clear...

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

You can not make the conclusion that Prince Alexander "is unpopular" on base of the above video. All reigning royals have experienced booing, insults, things were thrown to them, whatever. There are always hot-heads. Ask King Felipe of Spain, ask King Philippe of the Belgians, ask King Willem-Alexander (there was even an idiot trying to kill the Dutch royal family on Queen's Day, live on television). But all three Kings have a general approval, so it is tricky to jump to conclusions because some Serbians (and there are really some backward and intolerant ones between them) booed the Prince.

There is a huge difference between a reigning monarch and a claimant. The monarchs in question have a state PR machine and support (i.e., army and police) to attune a public opinion. I am sure you know it.

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

You can not make the conclusion that Prince Alexander "is unpopular" on base of the above video. All reigning royals have experienced booing, insults, things were thrown to them, whatever. There are always hot-heads. Ask King Felipe of Spain, ask King Philippe of the Belgians, ask King Willem-Alexander (there was even an idiot trying to kill the Dutch royal family on Queen's Day, live on television). But all three Kings have a general approval, so it is tricky to jump to conclusions because some Serbians (and there are really some backward and intolerant ones between them) booed the Prince.

This is just one of the reactions...he is not even so "unpopular",people see him as funny and do not take for granted almost anything he does...no matter how good that can actually be...He just doesn't have "that" connection with people,like for example Princess Elizabeth does...

I am the first who would want Serbia to become a monarchy,but in reality,it's almost impossible...

In Serbia,people just don't think about the monarchy...for them it seems like something "archaic" which existed centuries ago,not some 70 years ago...

They just don't even bother...

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Oh wow, I had no idea how unpopular the royal family are in Serbia. I'd always gotten the impression that they were well-liked, but I'm clearly wrong.

But I can understand why the Serbian people would be frustrated at Crown Prince Alexander for not learning Serbian. It gives the impression that he has a lack of interest in his role (though I don't think he does have a lack of interest as he is quite active in his 'duties') and the culture of Serbia. Does Crown Princess Katherine or any other members of the royal family speak Serbian?

One can say that he does have some sort of lack of interest,but his wife doesn't...very demanding and very energetic woman who knows what she wants...and he is trying to follow her...In the circle near the royal pair,she has a reputation of being very "pushy" about it...

Both Alexander and Katherine try to speak Serbian for years now,but when they do,it looks very awkward and funny...with very little or almost no progress and people see it clearly...

Unlike Princess Eliazbeth who spoke very badly Serbian when she returned to the country and now her Serbian in much better than before...

The best Serbian speaker in the royal family is her brother Prince Alexander,but he lives in Paris and is not much known in the country...

Other members of the family have the same problem,more or less,except maybe some members like Princesses Eva Marija Karadjordjevic or Princess Ljiljana Karadjordjevic which are native born speakers...

[eya]

Marc23 the children of Alexander (i know his son Alexander lives in Serbia) and especially the heir Peter show show interested about the restoration? Doing anything in the country? A more energetic role? Katherine it seems to be very passion of that.

Thank you for this interested information who give us. Continue please.

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by eya

Marc23 the children of Alexander (i know his son Alexander lives in Serbia) and especially the heir Peter show show interested about the restoration? Doing anything in the country? A more energetic role? Katherine it seems to be very passion of that.

This is true...she is very passionate about becoming a Queen.

Unfortunately,they don't even live in Serbia(there are rumors that they don't get along very well with their stepmother and try to avoid any misunderstanding),don't know the language and just give occasional interviews in which they say how much they love Serbia,but that's about it...

One of them,Prince Alexander is actually dating a Serbian girl,daughter of the famous filmmaker Emir Kusturica who won twice Palme d'Or in Cannes...

Here is a link:

http://www.telegraf.rs/english/16725...ll-adore-photo

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by Marc23

One can say that he does have some sort of lack of interest,but his wife doesn't...very demanding and very energetic woman who knows what she wants...and he is trying to follow her...In the circle near the royal pair,she has a reputation of being very "pushy" about it...

Both Alexander and Katherine try to speak Serbian for years now,but when they do,it looks very awkward and funny...with very little or almost no progress and people see it clearly...

Unlike Princess Eliazbeth who spoke very badly Serbian when she returned to the country and now her Serbian in much better than before...

The best Serbian speaker in the royal family is her brother Prince Alexander,but he lives in Paris and is not much known in the country...

Other members of the family have the same problem,more or less,except maybe some members like Princesses Eva Marija Karadjordjevic or Princess Ljiljana Karadjordjevic which are native born speakers...

Thank you for answering. I'm surprised to read that Crown Princess Katherine's Serbian isn't good either. It is nice that some members of the family can speak the language though.

Is Serbian difficult or easy to learn? I guess no language is easy to learn if it's foreign to you, but some can be picked up more easily than others.

[Ceallach]

Originally Posted by Marc23

This is true...she is very passionate about becoming a Queen.

Unfortunately,they don't even live in Serbia(there are rumors that they don't get along very well with their stepmother and try to avoid any misunderstanding),don't know the language and just give occasional interviews in which they say how much they love Serbia,but that's about it...

One of them,Prince Alexander is actually dating a Serbian girl,daughter of the famous filmmaker Emir Kusturica who won twice Palme d'Or in Cannes...

Here is a link:

SERBIA IS ON ITS FEET! Serbian prince in a relationship with the daughter of a man who we all adore (PHOTO) | Telegraf – Najnovije vesti

Alexander jr is reportedly living there and owns a bar and hopefully his girlfriend can help his Serbian.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Marc23

This is true...she is very passionate about becoming a Queen.

Unfortunately,they don't even live in Serbia(there are rumors that they don't get along very well with their stepmother and try to avoid any misunderstanding),don't know the language and just give occasional interviews in which they say how much they love Serbia,but that's about it...

One of them,Prince Alexander is actually dating a Serbian girl,daughter of the famous filmmaker Emir Kusturica who won twice Palme d'Or in Cannes...

Here is a link:

SERBIA IS ON ITS FEET! Serbian prince in a relationship with the daughter of a man who we all adore (PHOTO) | Telegraf – Najnovije vesti

Thanks for the info.

What is the prince's work Peter?

[Ceallach]

Peter is a graphic designer doing computer work he admittedly could probably do in Serbia. He was in New York, is now in London and says eventually he will move to Serbia. Philip is in finance in London and also talked, after he broke up with his long term girlfriend, about one day moving to Serbia and getting a Serbian girlfriend. No word about either seriously contemplating a move so far.

I don't think your relationship with your stepmother is reason enough to avoid a whole country. It is a big enough place you can find ways to avoid her most of the time and live your own life. I'm not buying that reasoning. It is a big transition and the language barrier, etc affects having a job/business there.

[fearghas]

No language is easy to learn when you are an adult and some people learn languages easier than others. So I would say it is unfair to judge the Crown Princely couple for that.

[eya]

Originally Posted by Ceallach

Peter is a graphic designer doing computer work he admittedly could probably do in Serbia. He was in New York, is now in London and says eventually he will move to Serbia. Philip is in finance in London and also talked, after he broke up with his long term girlfriend, about one day moving to Serbia and getting a Serbian girlfriend. No word about either seriously contemplating a move so far.

I don't think your relationship with your stepmother is reason enough to avoid a whole country. It is a big enough place you can find ways to avoid her most of the time and live your own life. I'm not buying that reasoning. It is a big transition and the language barrier, etc affects having a job/business there.

The children have bad relationships with the stepmother? I did know that.

[nbg]

Originally Posted by Marc23

One can say that he does have some sort of lack of interest,but his wife doesn't...very demanding and very energetic woman who knows what she wants...and he is trying to follow her...In the circle near the royal pair,she has a reputation of being very "pushy" about it...

Both Alexander and Katherine try to speak Serbian for years now,but when they do,it looks very awkward and funny...with very little or almost no progress and people see it clearly...

Unlike Princess Eliazbeth who spoke very badly Serbian when she returned to the country and now her Serbian in much better than before...

The best Serbian speaker in the royal family is her brother Prince Alexander,but he lives in Paris and is not much known in the country...

Other members of the family have the same problem,more or less,except maybe some members like Princesses Eva Marija Karadjordjevic or Princess Ljiljana Karadjordjevic which are native born speakers...

I agree with you. Unfortunately he is very old. He has four sons who have rarely been in Serbia, about their Serbian language should not even talk. Prince Dimitri did not even once visited Serbia.
Karadjordjevic family is numerous, but few of them are showing interest in Serbia and they are very old.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Ceallach

Peter is a graphic designer doing computer work he admittedly could probably do in Serbia. He was in New York, is now in London and says eventually he will move to Serbia. Philip is in finance in London and also talked, after he broke up with his long term girlfriend, about one day moving to Serbia and getting a Serbian girlfriend. No word about either seriously contemplating a move so far.

I don't think your relationship with your stepmother is reason enough to avoid a whole country. It is a big enough place you can find ways to avoid her most of the time and live your own life. I'm not buying that reasoning. It is a big transition and the language barrier, etc affects having a job/business there.

Plus: the internal unrest, the tragic wars between the former Yugoslav brother-states and the after-war sanctions imposed on Serbia have left their strain on the economy. Serbia (the heartland of former Yugoslavia) had to manage the loss of major industrial and manufacturing activities to Croatia and Slovenia, due to the war, the unrest and the sanctions the major tourist sector suffered severe blows. The last years Serbia is making progress, has requested for membership of the EU, that immense economic bloc, and the hopes are that it will recover further. Seen from the individual viewpoints of the former royal family, it is not so strange that many prefer to pursue a career and a living in London, New York, Paris, whatever than in Serbia itself. Of course all with the knowledge that any restoration of the Serbian monarchy is just theoretical.

[tihkon2]

I'm very surprised that Prince Alexander the younger has a girlfriend. I did not get that impression when watching a video of him being interviewed at Nicolas de Romanie-Medforth-Mills birthday party earlier this year. Huh, well I guess you can't always believe stereotypes.

[Ceallach]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

I'm very surprised that Prince Alexander the younger has a girlfriend. I did not get that impression when watching a video of him being interviewed at Nicolas de Romanie-Medforth-Mills birthday party earlier this year. Huh, well I guess you can't always believe stereotypes.

In the media in July it was said they were friends first and they had only been dating a few months. Since Nicholas's birthday was over 4 months ago they may not have been dating then or it was really new.

[LadyRohan]

It always struck me that the Crown Prince tries quite hard to both speak the language and adjust to a culture he was not raised in, and I find that most people I know who get to know him a little, have a greater appreciation for him than they do their politicians and presidents. The thing that he lacks, besides his sons and heirs more at his side, engaged in the society they want to reign over, is the PR-machine that would help smooth over some of the bad press he sometimes gets.
Despite the obstacles, he does enjoy quite significant support, and both he and the Crown Princess are respected for their work across the country.

[eya]

Partially agree. The crown prince couple gives me the impression that they try much for the country and help significantly. But many are bothered about the issue of language and agree for that. For me the most important is that children should begin to play a more active role in the country's society. It is of course positive that the young Alexander lives permanently in the country. And totally agree that you say about the PR-machine who must help them.

[Marc23]

This is true,but their PR-machine is terrible.

If you see the articles in the newspapers about them these days,you will find always something awful...how they beg Serbian Air Company to fly for free in business class,but they were refused...some "ugly" pictures of CP sons,during some parties with girls and drinks were also published...

Here are some of them:

http://images3.kurir.rs/slika-w640/a...900-768173.jpg

http://images2.kurir.rs/slika-900x60...816-768175.jpg

http://images.kurir.rs/slika-900x608...816-768177.jpg

http://images2.kurir.rs/slika-w640/a...836-768181.jpg

http://images2.kurir.rs/slika-900x60...633-769051.jpg

Even though the sons are still "young" some things are not "allowed" for them just because they are royals,while other "celebrities" do this every day.They just do what most people of their age have done at some point,but others don't get "punished" in this sort of way...

The comments in articles about them are also terrible.Even when they do something good,they get bashed in article comments...

I mean,they just need different kind of PR-machine because they are presented in most unflattering way most of the time...