Hereditary Prince Peter Renounces Rights; 2022

[Blog Real]

I also agree that Prince Alexander did not agree with Prince Peter's decision.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Yes, it seems Prince Peter placed his father for an unexpected fait accompli.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

I also agree that Prince Alexander did not agree with Prince Peter's decision.

I think he agrees but it stings him he was not properly consulted, that it all went beyond his House and even outside Serbia.

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by JR76

That Crown Princess Katherine and some members of the royal family doesn't get along has been an untold truth for years.

At one point, few years ago, all 3 of the Princes came to live to Serbia...at first in the palace, but after that each of the Princes had it's own living place in Belgrade...

Some of my friends, who are close to them, told me that it was impossible for them to live in the palace with her...In their words, she is very demanding and doesn't tolerate anyone...they just couldn't stand it, so at first they left palace and after they left Serbia as they just couldn't have a normal relationship with their father, whom they praised, but said that he was under her influence and that they are powerless, so they left.

[Saragli]

This is not surprising in the slightest, and, entirely appropriate as well. If the family had any real ambition of restoring the monarchy, then Prince Alexander would be smart to step down in favor of his second son as well, instead he has chosen to throw a public fit. It's unfortunate he is beholden to his wife's money but being an active pretender to the throne is not cheap.

[Lori138]

Originally Posted by JR76

That Crown Princess Katherine and some members of the royal family doesn't get along has been an untold truth for years. If you wonder what Prince Filip thinks of her I recommend that you look at the clip linked below at about 5 minutes in to find out.
https://youtu.be/9VEEKihCZcs

Thanks for sharing this.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Alison H

Prince Alexander doesn't sound too happy about it.

No he doesn't sound too pleased with Prince Peter!

[Gawin]

Originally Posted by JR76

That Crown Princess Katherine and some members of the royal family doesn't get along has been an untold truth for years. If you wonder what Prince Filip thinks of her I recommend that you look at the clip linked below at about 5 minutes in to find out.
https://youtu.be/9VEEKihCZcs

Wow! I guess it isn't untold anymore.

[Sionevar]

I have to admit, I admire what Peter has done. People in families like this - even families that no longer reign - must be raised with expectations about the role they are supposed to play, and the path they are supposed to follow. Especially when they are the eldest son.

But Peter has said 'I don't want this thank you' and has now walked away. Good for him, for knowing who he is and who he is not. Better to leave the responsibilities in the hands of a brother who wants them instead.

As a character in Starship Troopers once said, 'Figuring things out for yourself is the only freedom anyone really has.'

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Marc23

Among others, a priest (mr. Ortega Modest from Mallorca) who was present there is very close to the Serbian Patriarch, which indicates that Serbian Orthodox Church backs up Filip. There was also one member of the Royal Council, Ljubodrag Grujic, present in Sevilla, which also might indicate that the Council itself is divided between two lines, older one and the younger one. This member obviously backs up the younger line.

This was almost obvious as Crown Prince and Crown Princess have their own PR service while Filip has it's own and that they operate separately...which can also tell a lot. Filip is rarely mentioned in PR service of Crown Prince, unlike children of Crown Princess who are mentioned there as the children of the Royal couple, not just like her children. Imagine, if Camilla's children would officially be addressed as children of Charles?

So, something is going on for a while...and from what I have heard a while ago, there is a rift between his children and the stepmother, who is backed up by her husband in all her ideas.

Originally Posted by Marc23

Some Serbian media reported that Prince Peter has an extramarital daughter, who is now around 7-8 years old and lives in London with her mother. Allegedly, he acknowledged this child...

Though, this media is not the most trusted one...

Thank you for the further context, especially the significance of the priest who was present.

Would you have a link to the reports regarding Peter's alleged daughter? Is his alleged acknowledgement of her said to be a recent event?

That Peter's press release indicated his father had been notified, but made no statement of his father's approval or agreement (as is found in most announcements of this nature), and that it expressly specified that his renunciation would apply to descendants already born and descendants born out of wedlock as well as future marital descendants, seems to be evidence in favor of the stories about both the father-son rift and the extramarital daughter.

Originally Posted by Marc23

Filip is rarely mentioned in PR service of Crown Prince, unlike children of Crown Princess who are mentioned there as the children of the Royal couple, not just like her children. Imagine, if Camilla's children would officially be addressed as children of Charles?

Perhaps it differs in Serbia, but in many societies it would be normal to address one's stepchildren as one's children if a parental emotional bond exists between the stepparent and the stepchild. The Crown Prince of Norway for instance has addressed his stepson as his son.

Peter also addressed his mother's daughter Sol as "my sister" in his press release, which appears in full in lula's article.

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I would never have guessed someone saying that more bitcoins would lead to more monarchies (the introduction of Prince Philip around 3 minutes...). Interesting that Prince Philip seems an avid bitcoiner.

Shocking that Prince Philip really called Katharine an evil stepmother...

"[....] My parents sadly separated and we, my brothers and I, we moved to Sevilla, in Spain, where we spent two or three years there, until - well - a decision was made that we had to move to London, to live with my father and my stepmother.

And that was a very difficult living, with my stepmother - yeah - , she can not imagine, it is a bit the usual tale of an evil stepmother but it is kind of true. I don't mind being open about this. Being separated from our mother was not easy, at such a young age. Yes, we went back to see our mother during holidays but it was not easy. I went to boarding school in the UK. [.....]"

I very much appreciate your transcription of the video.

[Benjamin]

One has found that the 2004 article “Malice at the Palace” by British journalist Russ Baker offers a very apt summary of the dynamics in the Serbian royal family: https://www.russbaker.com/archives/S...e%20Palace.htm

[Heavs]

Thank you everyone for all the information, very interesting. Fascinating article about Princess Elizabeth.

It would seem that Peter and Filip decided to present their father with a fait accompli, probably for good reason, although I can see why Alexander is upset that it didn't take place in Serbia etc. It's probably for the best that it's sorted out in a straight forward manner without a lot of arguing and rumours beforehand. Publicly speaking anyway, I doubt this is going to help the personal family drama.

[Duc_et_Pair]

I must say Prince Philip comes over as a modern and charismatic businessman. The Royal House seems in secure hands when he will succeed as Chef. Maybe Prince Peter was honest: "I do not have the zest or enthusiasm of my brother. It is better to set a step aside."

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

When was the last time a Hereditary Prince of a country renounced his rights?

My guess is in1933, when first Don Alfonso de Borbón y Battenberg, Príncipe de Asturias renounced his rights to the throne of Spain. His younger brother, the Infante Don Jaime, Duque de Segovia, subsequently renounced his rights as well.

This resulted in the tird son of King Alfonso XIII becoming the heir: the Infante Don Juan, Conde de Barcelona (father of King Juan Carlos of Spain).

There are no legal descandants of Don Alfonso, Príncipe de Asturias.

There are legal descendants of the Infante Don Jaime, Duque de Segovia: his grandson Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón, the self-styled "Duc d'Anjou" is one of the two Bourbon pretenders for the throne of France.

Another heir example of a heir who renounced was Don Carlo di Borbone delle Due Sicilie in order to marry Doña María de las Mercedes de Borbón, Princesa de Asturias.

These renounciations can become problematic:

In 1949 the Infante Don Jaime de Borbón, Duque de Segovia, revoked his renounciation.

And in the Bourbon-Two Sicilies case: in 1960, Don Carlo's older brother Ferdinand died without male issue, and Carlo' son Don Alfonso di Borbone delle Due Sicilie reclaimed his rights, supported by the Spanish Court.

So maybe Crown Prince Alexander sees a potential for a rift, when Prince Peter, or a later issue of Prince Peter, changes minds. Especially since the renounciation was not procedural at all and done outside the Chef of the House. A Prince Peter or his issue can say: "The renounciation in 2022 was not valid. This means I am the Chef of the House". Probably that is why Crown Prince Alexander is so not amused.

[Fürstin Taxis]

Who knew there is even animosity in this family
Anyway imo he did the right thing if he didn't feel he wants this position.

[maria-olivia]

At Prince Filip's Wedding Crown Princess Katherine wanted her whole family on the Group Picture !!

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Would you have a link to the reports regarding Peter's alleged daughter? Is his alleged acknowledgement of her said to be a recent event?

Here is the link:

https://www.kurir.rs/vesti/drustvo/3...bio-i-gde-zivi

As I said, I don't know if it's true or not.

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Perhaps it differs in Serbia, but in many societies it would be normal to address one's stepchildren as one's children if a parental emotional bond exists between the stepparent and the stepchild. The Crown Prince of Norway for instance has addressed his stepson as his son.

Peter also addressed his mother's daughter Sol as "my sister" in his press release, which appears in full in lula's article.

I understand this...in our country half-siblings are mostly called just brother and sister. One would say the word "half-sister" only in case they are in very bad terms.

But, it is different case regarding Crown Princesses children...They live in Royal compound, unlike sons of the Crown Prince, who were felt unwelcome there or any other member of the royal family...Katherine wanted Alexander legally to adopt them so that they could have a title, but Royal council was against it...it is possible to adopt, but in our country titles are not legal, nor are part of the surname, like in Germany and Austria, so even legal adoption would not make her children royal...or even sound royal, as they would only have surname Karadjordjevic (not Prince or Princess), nothing more, nothing less.

Her children were always labeled as her children, but lately when they started being labeled "our children" by palace PR, you know that there is something probably going on behind the curtains.

[Blog Real]

Prince Mihailo supports his cousin Peter's decision to relinquish his rights and duties in favor of his brother Prince Filip.
"I fully support my cousin Peter's decision to transfer his duties, rights and obligations to Filip. I deeply believe that Filip will make an exceptional contribution to our country, our people and our society with his life in Serbia and his efforts I assure you of Filip's sincere intentions and genuine concern for the progress of our people, in Serbia and abroad. Ljubica and I will continue, as before, to support Filip and Danica in their joint work for the common good and progress." wrote Mihailo on facebook.

https://www.kurir.rs/vesti/drustvo/3...rava-na-filipa

[Kinan]

An Instagram account said that Peter has a daughter named Dolores Luna Karadjordjevitch born in 2017 in East Sussex.
However, some minutes later, they deleted the comment.

Edit : The blog Royal Musings reported the same.
http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogs...erbia.html?m=1