 |
|
08-10-2015, 09:12 PM
|
 |
Moderator Emeritus
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 4,112
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royalotta
It's a very awkward position for the Crown Princess to be in. If she now reinstates Nicolae when her father is gone, it'll look terrible. If she doesn't, she's turning her back on her nephew just as her father has with his grandson.
|
That could all depend on what ends up being revealed about why Nicholas was removed in the future.
If, for example, it becomes clear that this was Nicholas' decision and Margareta doesn't reinstate him then she could be seen as respecting his wishes. Or if it's revealed that Nicholas really has done something worthy of being deprived of his titles - like Irina - that we haven't been told, then Margareta won't be expected to restore Nicholas' titles (she's not expected to one day restore Irina's).
On the other hand, if whatever has caused this to happen wasn't entirely justified then Margareta wouldn't be seen in a negative light for restoring her nephew. Sometimes Michael has been reasonable in depriving his descendants of the succession rights and titles he's granted them - Irina being a perfect example - but other times not so much - he used the behaviour of Irina and her second husband to justify stripping Irina's children and grandchildren from her first marriage of their succession rights.
Until such a time as we know why Nicholas has been deprived of his titles/succession rights it's hard to judge just whether or not Michael is justified.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceallach
|
I don't think Paul has a lot of support now, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to use this to gain support. Unlike Michael, Paul has a clear line of succession that technically speaking follows the old laws of succession - Paul and his son are male male-line descendants of Carol II, unlike Michael's daughters and grandchildren, and technically speaking Paul's line is more senior than Michael's (Paul's father, Carol, being Michael's elder half-brother).
|
08-10-2015, 09:25 PM
|
|
Nobility
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Regina, Canada
Posts: 368
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ish
Sometimes Michael has been reasonable in depriving his descendants of the succession rights and titles he's granted them - Irina being a perfect example - but other times not so much - he used the behaviour of Irina and her second husband to justify stripping Irina's children and grandchildren from her first marriage of their succession rights.
|
I've also read Michael did not approve of Sophie's marriage and removed her from succession to only re-instate her later.
|
08-10-2015, 09:32 PM
|
|
Moderator Emeritus
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 4,112
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceallach
I've also read Michael did not approve of Sophie's marriage and removed her from succession to only re-instate her later.
|
I read something to that extent as well, but I couldn't remember which daughter it was.
In some ways, Michael comes off as having too much power when it comes to who is and isn't in the succession. It's not an uncommon issue with non-reigning houses as any change to the old rules of succession are at the whim of whoever is the head of the house - what they say goes. You don't see this in reigning European houses because they don't typically have that kind of power. Even in a European realm where the monarch can unilaterally remove someone from the succession, they can't exactly do so without justification. Michael isn't prohibited in this regards.
|
08-11-2015, 04:30 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
Many royalists rediscovered today the Constitution of 1923 and the Line of Succession of the Princes of Hohenzollern.
|
08-11-2015, 05:31 PM
|
 |
Courtier
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 988
|
|
|
I dont see any point in having a thread, leave alone a discussion about succession in romania.
This seems an institutional equivalent of a lawless dictatorship. People seem to be brought in and kicked out at the whim and fancy of the 'monarch', supposing he is sound and in-touch enough to have whims. No valid explanation, no reason, no machination. Apparently it suddenly dawned on them that the guy is not 'great/noble/whatever' enough for the country. Tommorrow his daughter may bring some distant cousin who is a yoga instructor in Peru, and then kick her out for not being gracious enough..or not curtseying deep enough for a certain doo-dah-dah..
Complete lack of professionalism, utter disregard for public opinion..
PS I sound too judgemental but there is no way I believe the 'he doesnt want this life' stuff..
__________________
The only word I hate in the Royal Dictionary - ABDICATION
|
08-11-2015, 05:54 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
Nobody changed this Line of Succession:
HH Karl Friedrich, Prince of Hohenzollern (b. 1952)
Alexander, Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern (b. 1987)
Prince Albrecht of Hohenzollern (b. 1954)
Prince Ferdinand of Hohenzollern (b. 1960)
Prince Aloys of Hohenzollern (b. 1999)
Prince Fidelis of Hohenzollern (b. 2001)
Prince Johann-Georg of Hohenzollern (b. 1932)
Prince Carl Christian of Hohenzollern (b. 1962)
Prince Nicolas of Hohenzollern (b. 1999)
Prince Hubertus of Hohenzollern (b. 1966)
Prince Ferfried of Hohenzollern (b. 1943)
Prince Meinrad of Hohenzollern (b. 1925)
Prince Carl Alexander of Hohenzollern (b. 1970)
Carlos Patrick von Hohenzollern (styled Prince of Hohenzollern) (b. 1978)
|
08-11-2015, 06:31 PM
|
 |
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brussels, Belgium
Posts: 7,642
|
|
|
Ferfried of Hohenzollern with his 7 wifes .. never ..
|
08-11-2015, 06:33 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
He is only eleventh in the Line of Succession so...
|
08-11-2015, 06:53 PM
|
 |
Royal Highness
|
|
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1,994
|
|
|
And poor Carl Alexander whose elevator does not go all the way to the top floor. No, that will not do at all.
__________________
Sii forte.
|
08-11-2015, 06:59 PM
|
|
Nobility
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Regina, Canada
Posts: 368
|
|
|
In Spain when they returned the monarchy they jumped succession to have a young modern king. If Nicholas is the popular choice, if the monarchy friendly party returned, could Romania return the monarchy with Nicholas and ignore certain succession changes of Michael?
|
08-11-2015, 07:01 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
Nicholas won't do anything against a public statement of his grandfather so ...only the Geeman Hohenzollerns remain.
|
08-11-2015, 07:12 PM
|
|
Nobility
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Regina, Canada
Posts: 368
|
|
|
What are the chances Michael changes his mind like he did with Sophie and re-instate him?
|
08-11-2015, 07:25 PM
|
|
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 146
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceallach
In Spain when they returned the monarchy they jumped succession to have a young modern king. If Nicholas is the popular choice, if the monarchy friendly party returned, could Romania return the monarchy with Nicholas and ignore certain succession changes of Michael?
|
Of course they could. A new constitution and a proclamation from the parliament on who is king on the restored throne.
|
08-11-2015, 07:26 PM
|
|
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 146
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceallach
What are the chances Michael changes his mind like he did with Sophie and re-instate him?
|
Even if he did the damage is done.
|
08-11-2015, 07:35 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
The German Hohenzollerns represent the only option for many now.
|
08-11-2015, 07:46 PM
|
|
Royal Highness
|
|
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1,994
|
|
|
Actually, the renunciation and the perhaps not-so-savvy way it was handled has seemingly increased Nicholas' popularity.
So, if Margarita were to reinstate him in the future, this would be an option.
__________________
Sii forte.
|
08-11-2015, 07:50 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
Who do you suppose agreed with this strange change made at the beginning of august?
|
08-11-2015, 07:54 PM
|
|
Royal Highness
|
|
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1,994
|
|
|
The entire family has agreed to the change now.
It was sudden, but it needed to be done.
However, it can be reversed.
__________________
Sii forte.
|
08-11-2015, 08:05 PM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,668
|
|
|
Princess Elena was not there so I really doubt the entire Family had been asked before the decision was taken.
|
08-11-2015, 08:16 PM
|
|
Royal Highness
|
|
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1,994
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
Princess Elena was not there so I really doubt the entire Family had been asked before the decision was taken.
|
I did not saw that everyone had been asked before the decision was taken.
However, the Royal Family agrees that this was the best course of action.
We do not know all of the circumstances, and it is best this way.
Nicholas has returned to being a private citizen.
This is optimal for now, but it can change.
__________________
Sii forte.
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
