Succession to the Romanian Throne, Part 1

[Admiral Horthy]

Originally Posted by Ish

Yes, a man who was not born in Romania, has no immediate ancestors from Romania, and has never lived in Romania is comparable to a man whose grandfather and great-grandfather were both born in Romania and whose great-great grandfather spent much of his life in Romania and died in Romania.

Not to mention he was no doubt born outside of Romania because his grandfather, THE KING, was in exile.

[Cory]

Both HH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern and Nicholas de Roumanie-Medforth Mills were born in other countries than Romania and were not educated in Romanian. Both have the same percentage of Romanian blood. Both were completely unknown to the Romanians until recently. HH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern is the Successor according to the Constitution of 1923 while Nicholas de Roumanie-Medforth Mills is on the List of Succession wanted by HM the King. The Parliament will decide in the future if the Monarchy is restored who will be the next King.

[Marengo]

IIRC you were championing prince Nicholas for years, but recently you seem to have changed your opinion.
I am rather curious to know what happened that changed your view.

[Cory]

I suppose Nicholas de Roumanie-Medforth Mills has all the chances to be chosen by a future Parliament as Successor to HM the King. Until then I can't deny the rights of Succession of HH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern and I do not know how HH Prince Karl will react in the future regarding the Succession.

[Cory]

For a long period of time I said HM the King would announce and propose a new Line of Succession where his grandson will be seen as a symbol of continuity and I was right. This has nothing to do with the right of the Parliament to decide the Restoration of Monarchy and the Line of Succession. If the arliament won't agree with the Line proposed by HM the King then HH Prince Karl (or a Prince of Hohenzollern) will be proclaimed King.

[Andy T]

Originally Posted by Cory

For a long period of time I said HM the King would announce and propose a new Line of Succession where his grandson will be seen as a symbol of continuity and I was right. This has nothing to do with the right of the Parliament to decide the Restoration of Monarchy and the Line of Succession. If the arliament won't agree with the Line proposed by HM the King then HH Prince Karl (or a Prince of Hohenzollern) will be proclaimed King.

Not necessarily. If the Parliament decides/proposes that the form of government should be a constitutional monarchy, it can also decide to name/propose whomever it wants to be King or Queen and that could be Margarita, Nicolae, Karl, Paul (heavens forbid) or someone completely different. And quite rightly so. Personally, I am 100% behind HM King Michael's proposal for the succession but the essence of most constitutional monarchies is that sovereignty lies with the Monarch in Parliament.

[Cory]

I suppose it is clear the Parliament will decide and until then we do not know who will be King in the future.

[Cory]

If we look at the Introduction of the Fundamental Rules of the Royal Family of Romania we read in the Introduction:"Our family traditions do and shall always include the Christian Orthodox faith, which shall also serve as a guiding principle in all future decisions. Whilst respecting the freedom of belief and conscience of the individual, all members of the Dynasty shall be members of the Christian Orthodox faith." Can we speak about freedom of conscience in this context? It is considered not acceptable the Romanian Princess should be excluded from the Succession (as stated in 1923) but it is acceptable somebody must belong only to a certain Church?

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Cory

If we look at the Introduction of the Fundamental Rules of the Royal Family of Romania we read in the Introduction:"Our family traditions do and shall always include the Christian Orthodox faith, which shall also serve as a guiding principle in all future decisions. Whilst respecting the freedom of belief and conscience of the individual, all members of the Dynasty shall be members of the Christian Orthodox faith." Can we speak about freedom of conscience in this context? It is considered not acceptable the Romanian Princess should be excluded from the Succession (as stated in 1923) but it is acceptable somebody must belong only to a certain Church?

As of today, the monarchs of Denmark, Norway and Sweden must belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Furthermore, in Sweden in particular, princes of the royal house who are not raised in the Lutheran faith are removed from the line of succession.

In the UK, on the other hand, the monarch of course must be in communion with the Protestant Episcopal Church of England and the line of succession is restricted to the legitimate "protestant descendants" of Sophia of Hanover.

Other monarchies seem to have modernized though. The Belgian and Spanish monarchies are traditionally Catholic, but there is no legal impediment to the king following another religion or being an atheist for example. In the Netherlands, rhe reigning House of Orange is historically reformed (Calvinist) protestant, but there is no official requirement that the monarch himself be protestant. In practice, however, Willem-Alexander insisted that his daughters were baptized in the PKN (the Protestant Church in the Netherlands), even though their mother is Catholic.

[Cory]

The Kings of Romania must be Kings of all Romanians so they must be free to choose their own faith if they want to do so.

[Cory]

Now many Romanian royalists discuss the Succession. Very few still believe the Line of Succession proposed by the King (and changed twice in the last years) is a successful possibility for the future especially after the shocking removal of Ncholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills from that List. So Prince Karl of Hohenzollern starts to be discovered by many. Others believe a Prince from a European reigning House would be the solution.

[DWC]

Romanian monarchists are probably better off throwing their support behind King Michael's nephew Paul and his son Carol Ferdinand who at least live in Romania and are direct male line descendants of the kings of Romania.

[Cory]

Not a chance!!

[JR76]

With this happening its a pity they put all their eggs in Nicolae's one basket. As someone else wrote had his sister or even a cousin moved to Romania at the same time as him and taken part in his effort to build a future for the dynasty she could've stood a chance for the family to survive the turmoil I think will happen but to have someone move there now and start all over seems pretty pointless. I think the King saw this and that's why after he removed Nicolae he says the line will end with Margaritha. It's all very sad.

[Cory]

The King did not said the Line would end with his eldest daughter.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Cory

The King did not said the Line would end with his eldest daughter.

I'm sorry didn't he? I've not read it myself but that's what many people states both here and on Twitter.

[Cory]

He said he took the decision regarding his grandson thinking at the future o his House after him and during his eldest daughter.

[Royalotta]

It's a very awkward position for the Crown Princess to be in. If she now reinstates Nicolae when her father is gone, it'll look terrible. If she doesn't, she's turning her back on her nephew just as her father has with his grandson.

[Cory]

A very difficult situation indeed!

[Ceallach]

Originally Posted by DWC

Romanian monarchists are probably better off throwing their support behind King Michael's nephew Paul and his son Carol Ferdinand who at least live in Romania and are direct male line descendants of the kings of Romania.

Paul might take advantage of the situation and make a claim. But I do not think he has much support.

Romanian court rules Prince Paul member of Royal House of Romania