Succession to the Romanian Throne, Part 1

[eya]

But to accept you should make a proposal. The question is who? King Mihai (no way) or the president of romania (also imagine no way).

The Romanian government allowed the king Mihai to return, also returned to the royal palaces. Royalists Associations what power would make such a proposal?

[Cory]

The King won't make any such proposal because he accepted what his Family wanted in 2007.
The president has nothing to do with the Succession to the throne.
The Royalists' Associations should ask officially the Hohenzollerns to accept the Succession.

[Cory]

We are speaking about the Succession to the Throne not about the King's private properties here.
The government is not interested in such issues I presume.
The support of the Romanian royalists is essential for the Hohenzollerns.

[eya]

You said that the Royalists' Associations should ask officially the Hohenzollerns to accept the Succession. Hypothetically speaking always (as we all do here) a do and what Hohenzollern accept then what? This is my question. There should be some support from the official romania.

[Cory]

What do you mean by "official Romania"?
It is obvious the Hohenzollerns needs supporters if they want to restore the Monarchy.

[Andy T]

I'm still reeling from the news about King Michael's decision to change the house rules. Without knowing the reasons for it and the positions of the main actors, I can't have an opinion on the fors and againsts of it. However, I am really sad that the progress made over the last few years towards the return of the monarchy in Romania has been undermined. It is my fear that the unseemly free-for-all among the various factions - be they partisans of King Michael, Nicholas, the Hohenzollerns or the Lambrinos - will ensure that the monarchy will never be restored.

[Cory]

There are only the supporters of the Hohenzollerns (those who really want the restoration of Monarchy) and some supporters ( who do not want to oppose any decision of Elisabeta Pakace) of the female descendants of the King. Many of those that supported strongly Mr Medforth Mills support now the Hohenzollerns. Unfortunately we do not have clear percentages regarding how many support the legitimist Line and how many support the female descendants of the King.

[Benjamin]

Cory, do you have any evidence that the many Romanian people who supported and still support Prince Nicholas have, in the space of a month, suddenly switched their allegiance to the Furst von Hohenzollern?

[Cory]

I spoke with many of them and this is the case. It is very difficult however to know really how many people support the House of Hohenzollern because there is no poll for the moment regarding this issue.

[eya]

Because you said that you spoke to many of them completely exclude the fact Nicolae return again perhaps when the Μargarira take the reins of the monarchy.

Originally Posted by Cory

I really doubt the eldest daughter of the King and her husband are interested in the restoration of Monarchy.

I'm afraid that will have to agree on it. I believe that Margarita is happy with its position now. She returned to Romania, lives in Elizabeta palace, receives royal guests (such as recent the Prince Lorenz), organizes various events throughout the magnificence of a monarchy into force. I think that it is satisfied with them and not interested for the after. Besides has not her own children to the care that much. Of course the direct or indirect future will show us.

[vkrish]

it is out of question that nicolas will be restored after the king dies. Margarita has never been an active/initiative-taking royal and she will hardly be so later.
And as if she and her husband didnt know he is being kicked out, and just kept quiet out of deference for the old man, planning to set things straight when he s gone.
For gods sake, thats playing with a young mans life...

[vkrish]

I seriously feel nobody in the romanian RF is interested in restoration. None of the kings daughters seem to be groomed for active public life. The heiress owes most of her 'popularity' to general sympathy for her ill health and childlessness. Come on, 4 daughters is a bumper bonus in royalty, and all u got to depend on is a politically ambitious, polarising son in law.. Its a pity.. We praise QueenMother n Queen Ingrid for raising brilliant regnants, unfortunately it reflects very poorly on Queen Anne that none of the princesses are inspiring enough. Even Maria of Russia runs a better show than them.
And the King only worsened things by changing laws/traditions on his whim n fancy. Change is ok but they should have a vision and strategy for that.
Unfortunately this couple didnt bother for that, and now they are totally lost. I think now his brothers family cant care less about what happens to the crown.

PS This may sound harsh and judgemental. But these are just some practical observations

[Cory]

Originally Posted by eya

Because you said that you spoke to many of them completely exclude the fact Nicolae return again perhaps when the Μargarira take the reins of the monarchy.

Nobody really believes this possibility.

[Cory]

I really doubt the eldest daughter of the King and her husband are interested in the restoration of Monarchy.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by vkrish

I seriously feel nobody in the romanian RF is interested in restoration. None of the kings daughters seem to be groomed for active public life. The heiress owes most of her 'popularity' to general sympathy for her ill health and childlessness. Come on, 4 daughters is a bumper bonus in royalty, and all u got to depend on is a politically ambitious, polarising son in law.. Its a pity.. We praise QueenMother n Queen Ingrid for raising brilliant regnants, unfortunately it reflects very poorly on Queen Anne that none of the princesses are inspiring enough. Even Maria of Russia runs a better show than them.

Have there actually ever been any reliable reports that Margarita of Romania is ill? If anything, it is her mother The Queen who has been unwell for some years. The Crown Princess has certainly become extremely svelte, but that it not in itself an indication that she is in poor health.

Further, regarding the Princesses, Queen Anne openly admitted in a book, The Gotha: Still a Continental Royal Family, that "I do not know how good a job I did raising daughters. You see, I only had brothers. Mother [Princess Margrethe of Bourbon-Parma; nee Denmark] only had brothers, and she was left an orphan at an early age since Amama [Princess Marie of Denmark; nee Orleans] died so young. Michael was an only son. We did not really have any ideas about raising girls. We did the best we could."

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by vkrish

Margarita has never been an active/initiative-taking royal and she will hardly be so later.

The princess did found a well-respected charity nearly thirty years ago that is still actively involved in ameliorating living conditions for many Romanians. So, one could hardly say Margarita is not active or initiative-taking.

[MAfan]

On another side, I believe it should be also considered that the Royal Family has reached a sort of agreement with the republican Romanian government; I'm not sure that it would be very wise for them to start actively campaigning for the restoration of the monarchy against the republican regime.
Maybe their chances would be better if they showed in practice to the Romanian people what the role of a Monarchy and of the Royal Family could be, if they showed to be serious persons, committed, interested in Romania, and leaving to others the campaigns to promote the restoration.

[CSENYC]

The Hohenzollerns never got the throne in the 1800s by passively just trying to be good people. Just as then, it takes actively promoting a change in government to get it. Thus while King Michael has perhaps made the most of a tough situation, if he wanted the monarchy restored, he should have actively campaigned for it.

[MAfan]

Things have changed a little since the 1800s, haven't they? I don't think that the Romanian government would be very happy if King Michael and family now started to openly call for the restoration of the Monarchy.

And besides that, AFAIK King Carol I in 1866 just said "yes" and quickly travelled to Romania after the Romanian Parliament forced Alexandru Ioan Cuza to abdicate and, following the raccomandation of Napoleon III, asked Carol to become Prince of Romania.
It doesn't seems to me that he (and the Hohenzollerns in general) have been very active to promote the change of government back in 1866.

[Cory]

They do not promote the restoration of Monarchy because they have very good relations with the republican authorities.