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10-05-2018, 02:18 AM
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Or if her mother attends her eventual wedding.
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10-05-2018, 02:38 AM
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But it was not Princess Margareta "making a huge mistake". It was in the first place Nicholas himself, then his mother Princess Elena, and then King Michael.
The one who brought it all public was Nicholas when he enforced himself into his grandfather's property, with shouting and physical abuse. This caused an official complaint and became a matter for the Swiss police and public prosecution, with that exposing it to the wide audience.
You say that Nicholas should have been given time, but from the words of his mother Princess Elena I understood he indeed HAD time: when his grandfather King Michael heard about his marriage in August 2017, he was deeply saddened that Nicholas still had not clarified his responsibility, for being an alleged father to an almost two years old (!) daughter.
It was then that King Michael took his hard decision, which was apparently announced to Nicholas on beforehand and confirmed in Aubonne, in the presence of his mother Princess Elena. Note also that Princess Margareta never uttered any word. She kept it, as you wished, indoors. It was Nicholas' himself and his own mother, publicly agreeing with the decision of the King as the You Tube clip showed.
His aunt Princess Margareta, THE one whom invested most in Nicholas as a promise for the future of the Royal House, probably feels the most betrayed. But not she, but the King was in charge, as confirmed by Nicholas' very own mother.
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Nicolas hasn´t been married yet in August `17. And if someone could be saddenned or disappointed that N. didn´t clarify his responsiblities (this is at least always being claimed. N. on the other hand says the opposite!) would be Alina-Maria! It is actually none of the RF´s business, other than Nicolas, of which nobody positively knows if he is the father of this child at all, his wife and the mother of the child.
What reason could Margareta have to be feel "betrayed", please?! She could be disappointed, angry as a first impulse. But she could have sat down with her nephew having a serious conversation. And that would be it!
Instead she let all this mess, a mess for Romania and the family in private, happen other than trying to heal rifts, forgive and reconcile. That would have presented her as a wise counsselor and leader as she obviously would like to be seen by the public but what she not is.
Andrew, I agree on every word you said and I can understand you so much! I would also felt let down by this family. And yes, there are two fractions now in the monarchial movement, the one supporting the one side, while the other one supports the other one. And this example once again demonstrates what always happens: Division on a small scale leads to division in larger circumstances....
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10-05-2018, 03:54 AM
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Nicolas hasn´t been married yet in August `17. And if someone could be saddenned or disappointed that N. didn´t clarify his responsiblities (this is at least always being claimed. N. on the other hand says the opposite!) would be Alina-Maria! It is actually none of the RF´s business, other than Nicolas, of which nobody positively knows if he is the father of this child at all, his wife and the mother of the child.
What reason could Margareta have to be feel "betrayed", please?! She could be disappointed, angry as a first impulse. But she could have sat down with her nephew having a serious conversation. And that would be it!
Instead she let all this mess, a mess for Romania and the family in private, happen other than trying to heal rifts, forgive and reconcile. That would have presented her as a wise counsselor and leader as she obviously would like to be seen by the public but what she not is.
Andrew, I agree on every word you said and I can understand you so much! I would also felt let down by this family. And yes, there are two fractions now in the monarchial movement, the one supporting the one side, while the other one supports the other one. And this example once again demonstrates what always happens: Division on a small scale leads to division in larger circumstances....
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Nicholas was not married yet in August 2017 but in the You Tube-clip his mother Princess Elena spoke about her father's sadness when he heard the news of the marriage of Nicholas (the intention to marry Alina) while his grandson had still not clarified his alleged paternity of a (then) almost two years old daughter.
You say that it is actually none of the RF's business, which is of course not true. Nicholas did marry Alina, whether the RF liked it or not, but as head of the Royal House of course it was very much King Michael's business what a prince and dynast of his House was doing.
Then you direct a poisonous arrow to Princess Margareta, as if she is the responsible one. There are three people responsible: Nicholas himself, for giving cause. His mother Princess Elena (the future Head of the Royal House) who rücksichtlos eliminated her own son. His grandfather King Michael for his decisions which were reportedly announced to Nicholas on beforehand and were confirmed in person in Aubonne.
When Princess Margareta became Head of the Royal House, all this already happened. And as I stated in my previous post: has the Princess ever said any word about it in public? Can she be blamed for hanging out the family's dirty laundry? No. It were Nicholas himself and his mother (see the You Tube-clip) going public.
Actually, in this stony silence of Princess Margareta I see an opening for Nicholas. When he clarifies his position regarding the child, for once and for all, when he makes his profound excuse for the intrusion and upset in Aubonne, I can see his aunt giving him a chance. But of course Princess Margareta has to deal with her sister, Nicholas' mother, who seems very bitter about her son. Give Princess Magrareta some credit. She has to walk on a tight rope to beware peace in her tumultuous family.
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10-05-2018, 07:45 AM
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A am glad we have a young romanian poster Andrew.
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10-05-2018, 11:45 AM
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Why Margareta asked Maria to move permanently to Romania in the autumn 2014? And Maria moved in January 2015. The royal house didn't need Maria. Margareta and Radu had managed to represent just the two of them when king Mihai and queen Ana were hardly seen. Nicolae had already worked for many years for the royal house, was living in Romania and spoke romanian. And Nicolae became more and more liked all the time and worked more and more. There was no need for Maria to move to Romania and start to work for the royal house, unless Radu and Margareta had already then in autumn 2014 started to plan the abolishment of Nicolae from the royal family. Margareta and Radu got Maria accustomed to represent the royal house, and then it was time for Nicolae to go.
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10-05-2018, 12:07 PM
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Nicholas was not married yet in August 2017 but in the You Tube-clip his mother Princess Elena spoke about her father's sadness when he heard the news of the marriage of Nicholas (the intention to marry Alina) while his grandson had still not clarified his alleged paternity of a (then) almost two years old daughter.
You say that it is actually none of the RF's business, which is of course not true. Nicholas did marry Alina, whether the RF liked it or not, but as head of the Royal House of course it was very much King Michael's business what a prince and dynast of his House was doing.
Then you direct a poisonous arrow to Princess Margareta, as if she is the responsible one. There are three people responsible: Nicholas himself, for giving cause. His mother Princess Elena (the future Head of the Royal House) who rücksichtlos eliminated her own son. His grandfather King Michael for his decisions which were reportedly announced to Nicholas on beforehand and were confirmed in person in Aubonne.
When Princess Margareta became Head of the Royal House, all this already happened. And as I stated in my previous post: has the Princess ever said any word about it in public? Can she be blamed for hanging out the family's dirty laundry? No. It were Nicholas himself and his mother (see the You Tube-clip) going public.
Actually, in this stony silence of Princess Margareta I see an opening for Nicholas. When he clarifies his position regarding the child, for once and for all, when he makes his profound excuse for the intrusion and upset in Aubonne, I can see his aunt giving him a chance. But of course Princess Margareta has to deal with her sister, Nicholas' mother, who seems very bitter about her son. Give Princess Magrareta some credit. She has to walk on a tight rope to beware peace in her tumultuous family.
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Margaretas (and the Rest of the RF`s) behaviour at the late King´s funeral towards N. and his new wife (virtually ignoring them) was appaulling, embarrassing and a shame! To treat a family member like this for these reasons at such a sad and delicate event was hurtful and saddening to watch!!! At this point I completely lost my respect for them although I had a special fascination for this family because of their unique position among other "exiled" RF´s.
Well, as an adult man of 30 something Nicolas should really think very hard, if HE should give his family another chance after all what they did to him.
If I was in his position I would never ever allow anyone to treat me like this for my very OWN personal problems and then to "welcome" me back into the brood after I was generously considered "a good boy" again...
Obviously this particular RF is not only behaving childish themselves, they also treat others like they´ve been naughty little kids...!
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10-05-2018, 12:10 PM
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All Royal Houses have more representants. As King Michael and Queen Anne remained in Switzerland, only young Nicholas was available and more and more a symbiosis with his aunt Princess Margareta. Even to such extent one could easily forget this was not mother and son.
Seeing the unbelievable transformation of the Royal House: out of obscurity into practically a functioning monarchy but in name, I can see why Princess Maria (who seems to love public events) has got a role as well.
Princess Margareta is the last one to win anything by ousting her nephew, in which she has invested so much, more than any other member of the royal family. It is not productive to blame this or that. To the left and to the right, it is Princess Margareta who can rehabilitate Nicholas.
And she has to walk on a tight rope, as her successor - Nicholas' mother - is the first one to allow attempts of reconciliation. As we all know in every family, aunts better keep aside in feuds betweem mom and son, and let them sort it out first.
Nicholas simply has to take away the objections of his grandfather, show a spotless route by getting rid of monarchists with an own agenda and publicly support his aunt. I can see a reconciliation coming but the former Number Three and the current Number One in the succession (son and mom) have to be united again before Princess Margareta can act.
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10-05-2018, 12:13 PM
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Margaretas (and the Rest of the RF`s) behaviour at the late King´s funeral towards N. and his new wife was appaulling, emberrassing and a shame! To treat a family member like this for these reasons at such a sad and delicate event was hurtful and saddening to watch!!! At this point I completely lost my respect for them although I had a special fascination for this family because of their unique position among other "exiled" RF´s.
Well, as an adult man of 30 something Nicolas should really think very hard, if HE should give his family another chance after all what they did to him.
If I was in his position I would never ever allow anyone to treat me like this for my very OWN personal problems and then to "welcome" me back into the brood after I was generously considered "a good boy" again...
Obviously this particular RF is not only behaving childish themselves, they also treat others like they´ve been naughty little kids...!
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I have not seen "appaling" behaviour of Princess Margareta. On the contrary. I saw a grief stricken lady, with a very poised behaviour and we could see Nicholas in her presence during the run-up to and at the funeral. We all could see excellent behaviour of both Princess Margareta and Nicholas.
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10-05-2018, 12:25 PM
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I have not seen "appaling" behaviour of Princess Margareta. On the contrary. I saw a grief stricken lady, with a very poised behaviour and we could see Nicholas in her presence during the run-up to and at the funeral. We all could see excellent behaviour of both Princess Margareta and Nicholas.
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Yes, her behaviour on the surface she was poised and excellent behaved...
Ignoring someone you know from his/ her birth onwards as if this person was just not present is a very aggressive act, perhaps even worse than slapping him in the face - and yes, appalling indeed!
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10-14-2018, 04:23 AM
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Nice to see Princess Maria in Spain. Via her Bourbon-Parma mother she has lots of Iberian ancestors.
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10-20-2018, 12:20 PM
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Princess Maria attends at the "Gala of the Heart for the Future".
The event took place on the evening of Friday, 19 October. The evening host was Regina Maria Social Innovation Foundation, which funded the publication of a limited edition of a memorial album by Queen Maria. The copies of the album will be auctioned and funded medical projects.
Gala anuală a Fundației Inovații Sociale Regina Maria | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On 22 October Princess Maria, participated at the National Opera in Bucharest to celebrate the National Day of Austria.
Principesa Maria la Ziua Națională a Austriei | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On Wednesday, 24 October Princess Maria visited the day center of the Shield Social Services Association in Brasov.
Principesa Maria, vizită la Asociația de Servicii Sociale Scut din Brașov | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On 25 October Princess Margareta of Romania Foundation organized the eleventh edition of the Royal Charity Concert on the birthday of King Mihai I. Her Majesty Margareta, Prince Radu and Princess Maria attended.
Concertul Regal caritabil 2018, la Ateneul Român | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
Today, Princess Sofia celebrates her birthday with her daughter, Elisabeth Maria, at Elisabeta Palace, where she is invited by Her Majesty Margareta, and Prince Radu. Will be present at the family celebration and Princess Maria.
Ziua de naștere a Principesei Sofia | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On 29 October Princess Maria participated in the seminar on "Women's Economic Empowerment and Reduction of Gender Discrimination in the Business Environment".
Principesa Maria, la seminarul dedicat prezenței femeilor în mediul de afaceri | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
And pictures from Princess Sofia celebrated her birthday at Elisabeta Palace, invited by Her Majesty and Prince Radu, together with her daughter, Elisabeta Maria and her sister, Princess Maria.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dq0TG2HW4AIxa5f.jpg
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Not a boy, girl. She is Elizabeta Maria daughter of Princess Sofia.
A picture of her from the funeral of Queen Anne
https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-g...16-F2F-004.jpg
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10-29-2018, 06:05 AM
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It is interesting that Elisabeta Maria Biarneix joins the "official" celebration at Elisabeta Palace. We seldom or never see her.
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10-29-2018, 06:18 AM
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Princess Sophie moved to Romania in September 2018, per the link.
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10-31-2018, 03:06 AM
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On the last photo - who is this boy next to her?
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10-31-2018, 07:06 PM
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Thank you very much for your post, eya!
If I may ask, what was your source for the last picture? It does not appear on the Royal House's website, but I have noticed they do have the same photo showing only Margarita and Sophie, where they cropped Sophie's daughter out of it.
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11-01-2018, 03:46 AM
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You are welcome Benjamin!
All the pictures and that with Elizabeta Maria I found them in the official twitter of the Royal House but now when i check this picture is no longer there!. Very strange!
It seems that i posted this picture before take it down! Strange again!
On 5-6 November, Princess Maria is on a public visit to the Switzerland.
On Monday, 5 November, Princess Maria visited the United Nations Library in Geneva.
Principesa Maria la Palatul Națiunilor Unite din Geneva | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
Princess Maria was present on Saturday, 10 November in Curtea de Arges, to launch the "Ductlón Regal Invictus" sport competition.
Principesa Maria la Duatlonul Regal Invictus | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On Sunday, 11 November , Princess Maria, took part in the military at the Bellu Military Cemetery, at the military and religious ceremony on the occasion of the commemoration of the First World War Armistice.
Principesa Maria, la ceremonia de comemorare a eroilor Primului Război Mondial | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On Monday, 12 November, Princess Sofia visited the city of Brasov.
Principesa Sofia, vizită la Brașov | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
Princess Sofia back to Romania and start it seems to take part at the royal activities.
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11-15-2018, 11:44 AM
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Princess Maria represented Her Majesty Margareta attends at the National Military Circle at the Festive Assembly celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Great Union in Alba Iulia.
Asociația Națională Cultul Eroilor a aniversat Centenarul Marii Uniri | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
Princess Maria was the guest of the Matei Basarab National College in Bucharest on Friday, 16 November on the occasion of Collegiate Days to visit the educational institution
Principesa Maria la Colegiul Național Matei Basarab | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On 19 November, Princess Maria represented Her Majesty at the working meeting of the Princess Margareta of Romania Foundation
Întâlnirea Fundației Principesa Margareta a României la Palatul Elisabeta | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
Also on 19 November, Princess Maria took part at the Painting Hall of the National Theater in Bucharest at the Young Talent Gala organized by the Princess Margareta of Romania Foundation.
Gala Tinere Talente 2018 | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
Yesterday 21 November , Princess Maria, deposited a crown of flowers from Ambassador Mihnea Constantinescu on behalf of Her Majesty Margareta and Prince Radu.
Mihnea Constantinescu, In Memoriam | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
On the afternoon of Monday, 26 November, Her Majesty Margareta signed the decorative patents with royal orders and medals for a number of personalities from Romania and European countries.
The ceremony took place around the Centenary of the Great Union and took place in the Throne Hall. On behalf of theHer Majesty, the decorations were handed over by Prince Radu with the presence of Princess Sofia and Princess Maria.
Ceremonie de decorări regale, în preajma Centenarului | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania
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11-27-2018, 07:13 AM
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Such a Decor never happen in Belgium !
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11-27-2018, 09:39 PM
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Strange that the Custodian of the Crown has not been present at a number of high profile events recently.
Instead, her duties seem to have been relegated to her husband Radu.
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It looks like her last activities were in October... It makes you wonder what is going on this month of November that makes that Margarita isn't present at activities in Romania. Could it be that she is in Switzerland arranging things over there or could it have to do with her health (she didn't look that good on the latest pictures imo)?
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