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Celebrating 150 from the accession of a Hohenzollern Prince on the Romanian Throne...without inviting any Hohenzollern ...
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I suppose that if the Hohenzollerns cared about it and wanted, they could have done something to at least remember the event (not necessarily something in grand scale, just issuing a statement would have been enough to show some interest).
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05-11-2016, 10:12 AM
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I suppose that if the Hohenzollerns cared about it and wanted, they could have done something to at least remember the event (not necessarily something in grand scale, just issuing a statement would have been enough to show some interest).
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The Windsors, despite Queen Maud of Norway being British by birth and a granddaughter of Queen Victoria, and the current Queen Elizabeth II being the second-cousin of King Harald V of Norway, does not send delegations of members celebrating anniversaries and milestones of the Norwegian monarchy when they take place. The Bernadottes in France do not attend milestone happenings in the kingdom of Sweden, despite being the ancestors of that particular Royal House.
A Royal House develops as a new and sovereign (no pun intended) entity, completely belonging to the nation that it has moved to and that has adopted them. It is the best, and as far as I know, only way to utterly and completely declare that you are for and from the country you represent, and at the 150th anniversary of the creation of the Romanian kingdom, it is pure logic to have the Romanian Royal Family, a separate entity entirely from their forefathers in Germany, represent the past, present and future of the monarchy in Romania. As late as in 2009, H.S.H Prince Karl Hohenzollern made it clear that he was not interested in the Romanian throne, and at no point has any Hohenzollern even attempted to display interest in the Romanian monarchy in the future, or the defunct line of succession.
It is therefore the job of the Romanian Royal Family to carry the tradition forward, as they are doing. I would add, a job they are currently doing with great dignity, and commanding a great deal of respect and affection.
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I thought Crown Princess Margareta and Princesses Elena, Sofia and Maria were Hohenzollerns, descendants of the Hohenzollern Kings of Romania, and daughters of the last King of Romanian (also a Hohenzollern).
But I guess women don't count, for some.
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Former King Michael has cut all ties with the Hohenzollerns and since then neither he nor his daughters use the title and/or surname Prinz (Prinzessin) von Hohenzollern anymore.
His son-in-law started the use of the fantasy title Prinz von Hohenzollern-Veringen which was more or less allowed by the previous Fürst von Hohenzollern, ignoring it a little bit. But his son, Prince Karl Friedrich, the present Fürst, was sharp on this. He stated that Mr Radu Duda was no Hohenzollern at all and classified the title " Prince von Hohenzollern-Veringen" as a farce. Veringen is one of the Hohenzollern fiefs, the Fürst also being Graf von Veringen. It is part of the Hohenzollern patrimonium.
The Fürst announced a lawsuit when Mr Radu Duda would use this surname and title once again. Since this Mr Radu Dudua wisely stopped styling himself as "Prince Radu von Hohenzollern-Veringen" or even as "Prince Radu von Hohenzollern-Veringen-Duda". After this internal family-clash former King Michael severed all ties with his ancestral House.
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Former King Michael has cut all ties with the Hohenzollerns and since then neither he nor his daughters use the title and/or surname Prinz (Prinzessin) von Hohenzollern anymore.
His son-in-law started the use of the fantasy title Prinz von Hohenzollern-Veringen which was more or less allowed by the previous Fürst von Hohenzollern, ignoring it a little bit. But his son, Prince Karl Friedrich, the present Fürst, was sharp on this. He stated that Mr Radu Duda was no Hohenzollern at all and classified the title "Prince von Hohenzollern-Veringen" as a farce. Veringen is one of the Hohenzollern fiefs, the Fürst also being Graf von Veringen. It is part of the Hohenzollern patrimonium.
The Fürst announced a lawsuit when Mr Radu Duda would use this surname and title once again. Since this Mr Radu Dudua wisely stopped styling himself as "Prince Radu von Hohenzollern-Veringen" or even as "Prince Radu von Hohenzollern-Veringen-Duda". After this internal family-clash former King Michael severed all ties with his ancestral House.
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There is no more a Mr. Radu Duda than there is a Kate Middleton, and H.R.H Prince Radu carries the title 'Prince of Romania' through marriage, just as H.R.H Crown Princess Katherine of Serbia or H.M Tsaritsa Margarita of Bulgaria. It is solidly within established tradition that it is a Sovereigns prerogative to change the designation of the Royal House of a country, as was done by King George V in the United Kingdom after the Great War. The first monarch came from the Hohenzollern family, but the designation of today appropriately reflects where the family comes from, and whom they serve. How that can be criticized, continues to elude me.
As you probably unintentionally illustrate with this post yourself, the Romanian Royal Family stands well on its own, and as it celebrates 150 years since the establishment of the Romanian kingdom, they are the ones who naturally carry the monarchical tradition in Romania, and not the princely House of Hohenzollern, who formed the basis for its start, once upon a time.
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05-11-2016, 11:25 PM
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A summary of the celebrations on May 10th, with the Royal Family of Romania, and H.I & R.H Archduchess Maria of Austria, daughter of Princess Ileana of Romania, in attendance.
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05-14-2016, 12:02 PM
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Who is the painter of this portrait?Is there anywhere just the portrait itself?
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Who is the painter of this portrait?Is there anywhere just the portrait itself?
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As you can read from the Google translation I posted:
"oil portrait of Queen Elena, painted by Valentin Tanase. The portrait will be placed in the entrance hall of the school".
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05-15-2016, 07:50 AM
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Thank you :) pity there isn't the whole portrait pictured.
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06-25-2016, 04:09 PM
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The Family lost the trial with the state at the Appeal Court of Bucharest and probably will have to pay around 1 million euros:
Jurnalul National
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06-26-2016, 09:10 AM
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Are this money for taxes for the different properties?
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06-28-2016, 03:15 PM
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The dissapointment of many Romanians towards the King's Family is more and more evident after the notice of the new project of law. Mihnea Maruta (who even seems to consider Princess Margareta "Custodian of the Crown", title that does not exist in the Constitutions of the Monarchy) expresses it in an article entitles "The Imaginary Speech of the Princess":
"Există, totuși, vreun membru al Casei Regale care își dorește ca România să redevină monarhie? Există, oare, un urmaș al lui Mihai I care măcar să fantazeze că va fi încoronat?" ( There is any member of the royal Family that wants Romania to become again a monarchy. There is any descendant of King Mihai that even fantasies about being crowned?")
https://pressone.ro/editorial/discur...l-principesei/
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Well, this is an unrealistic and absurd article, that basically says that unless the Princess disclaims any money, support and anything to do with the government on any institution or person connected to it, she does not have any monarchical aspirations. That is a ridiculous stance to have, and something that will never yield any results, and only ensure that the monarchy has no relevance in the future of Romania, and that most Romanians will think her a comical figure.
The writer states something I didn't think you supported, Cory. She says that the Crown Princess, the Custodian, using titles you don't recognize, is the legitimate heir to the monarchy. Did you miss the part where you and the writer are of completely different minds, before you tried to use her article to support your claims?
Not one Royal Family in Europe is acting completely detached from the society they live in, or wish to live in. They are wise enough to know that if there is to be any change, they need to cooperate with the systems in place, and make them not afraid of the change they seek to have happen.
Anything else is called revolution, and that is not what the Royal Family seeks, and is not what Romania needs, at any point in time.
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Elisabeta Palace is not a property of the family but belongs to the state.
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It is obvious who supports the new project of law : people that believe it is enough to have the King's Family recognized and sponsored by the republican regime.
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06-28-2016, 04:41 PM
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It is obvious who supports the new project of law : people that believe it is enough to have the King's Family recognized and sponsored by the republican regime.
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Do you agree with Mihnea Manuta who states clearly that her critique is based on her seeing Princess Margareta as the rightful heir to the King, and the Custodian of the Crown? If not, what does it matter what the Princess arranges with the State at all?
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06-29-2016, 08:30 PM
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Sorin Rosca Stanescu considers that "Se pune capat viitorului monarhiei in Romania. Definitiv. Sau cel putin pentru aceasta Casa Regala. Pentru ca, fapt nemaipomenit, aceasta institutie a neamului a luat decizia de a se preda unei republici. Republica Romania preia Casa Regala si o transforma intr-o fundatie." ( " The Monarchy in Romania finishes here. Forever. At least for this Royal House. Because, extraordinary event, this institution of our people took the decision to surrender to the republic. The republic of Romania takes over the Royal House and changes it in a foundation")
Sorin ROSCA STANESCU » Blog Archive » Casa Regala se preda. La cheie!
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