Romanian Succession, Claimants, Titles and Restoration - Page 4

Cory · #61 03-01-2018, 09:44 PM

I have always said it was only the Parliament who decided on the matter in case of restoration. Those that deny this accept things that have never been decided by the Parliament.

LadyRohan · #62 03-01-2018, 11:41 PM

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I have always said it was only the Parliament who decided on the matter in case of restoration. Those that deny this accept things that have never been decided by the Parliament.

If only it was possible to quote from the old, closed-down threads, this would be so easily proven factually wrong, but alas. It’s good to see realism arriving when dealing with the future of the monarchy in Romania, that is how we can keep the progress going and seeing the chance of systemic change on the horizon.

Cory · #63 03-02-2018, 05:02 AM

The future of Monarchy has nothing to do with compromises with the republican establishment but with acknowledgment of the lack of legitimacy of the republic in Romania.

**Marengo** · #64 03-02-2018, 05:41 AM

If the future of the monarchy depends on:

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acknowledgment of the lack of legitimacy of the republic in Romania

How would that be done in practical terms? Other than by:

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compromises with the republican establishment

What other suggestions do you have, as you seem unwilling to open a dialogue with politicians? How do you want to get the people of Romania to aknowledge 'lack of legitemacy'? And is there any polling done about how many people feel that the republic is illegitemate? I would expect very few Romanians agree to such an extreme point of view. Although it may be tempting to live in past dreams, it is healthier to live in reality.

Cory · #65 03-02-2018, 05:45 AM

https://www.vrancea24.ro/monarhistii...pulare-romane/

The monarchists grouped in the National Convention for Constitutional Monarchy have started a trial in order to declare the proclamation of the republic in 1947 as invalid.

**Marengo** · #66 03-02-2018, 05:50 AM

That is a practical start perhaps and an interesting issue to watch. Do you know when there will be a ruling on this matter?

How many members does the National convention of the restoration of the monarchy have?

Cory · #67 03-02-2018, 05:53 AM

The National Convention for Constitutional Monarchy is grouping the different royalists Associations/Clubs in the country.
It's hard to know when there will be a ruling on the matter.

**Marengo** · #68 03-02-2018, 06:39 AM

Is it known when the trial will start? If it remains unclear, what other ioptions does the association have to get more people to their side to see the supposed illegitimacy of the Romanian republic?

Do you know how manu members the national convention has? So we can get an idea how widely the illegitimacy of the republic is supported?

Cory · #69 03-02-2018, 06:54 AM

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Is it known when the trial will start? If it remains unclear, what other ioptions does the association have to get more people to their side to see the supposed illegitimacy of the Romanian republic?

Do you know how manu members the national convention has? So we can get an idea how widely the illegitimacy of the republic is supported?

The lack of legitimacy of the republic is quite accepted by many and certainly not only by the monarchists involved in the National Convention for Constitutional Monarchy.
I do not know where that trial stands now.

LadyRohan · #70 03-02-2018, 11:58 AM

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The lack of legitimacy of the republic is quite accepted by many and certainly not only by the monarchists involved in the National Convention for Constitutional Monarchy.

'Many' is not a quantifiable measure for any kind of support, and the cause of monarchy cannot and will not be decided in dungeon clubs that do not relate to the practical realities of the outside world.

There is just one way to achieve monarchy in Romania, and that is through public relations and building support among ordinary people. No genuine monarchist would vote against the monarchy being restored just because they didn't like Margareta being the first restored monarch, that would just ensure the republic would continue and monarchy being gone forever.

So, the entire debate is faux. Since she has no children, the next generation, a.k.a Nicholas, will follow her, and that's what all good forces wanting monarchy should focus on. Nothing else serves any purpose, other than to ensure the destruction of any chance of the monarchy returning to Romania at all.

Cory · #71 03-02-2018, 12:02 PM

She is the one who does not her nephew around the palace so your arguments are based on nothing.

LadyRohan · #72 03-02-2018, 12:17 PM

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She is the one who does not her nephew around the palace so your arguments are based on nothing.

Is that all you managed to get out of all the posts everyone has written? It's all nothing, whereas your personal attacks against Margareta and clammy embrace of Nicholas as a new tool, is all fine and legitimate?

No wonder the 'real monarchists' have sidelined themselves in Romania, if this is the prevalent attitude.

Cory · #73 03-02-2018, 12:34 PM

The truth is maybe not comfortable but that's it.

LadyRohan · #74 03-02-2018, 03:28 PM

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The truth is maybe not comfortable but that's it.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Cory · #75 03-06-2018, 09:02 PM

The controversial and probably not too constitutional bill regarding the "Royal House" was withdrawn from the Senate:.

https://www.stiripesurse.ro/parliame...e_1252623.html

Isaxon1 · #76 03-07-2018, 06:20 AM

The initial draft was withdrawn. A new draft will be submitted this week according to Romania Insider: https://www.romania-insider.com/royal-house-draft-bill/

Cory · #77 03-07-2018, 07:35 AM

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The initial draft was withdrawn. A new draft will be submitted this week according to Romania Insider: https://www.romania-insider.com/royal-house-draft-bill/

Obviously they realized the draft was not constitutional. We will see if a new draft will be proposed and what content will have. Those that were very sure this draft will pass and very quickly proved again they were wrong.

LadyFinn · #78 08-01-2018, 05:15 AM

An article written by Radu Albu Comanescu, who works at Babeş-Bolyai University doing research in International Relations and International History and Politics.

The Heir to the Romanian Crown: Nicholas de Roumanie
Ziua de Cluj _ Moştenitorul Coroanei României_ Nicholas de Roumanie
Google translation

The translation is never good to get to understand everything written in the article. Those, who speak romanian, get a better information of it.

Dalriada · #79 08-01-2018, 06:03 AM

Extraordinary contribution to the understanding of the current constitution. I am still digesting the minutiae. The “Custodian” is claimed to be a regent to the real successor.

Lori138 · #80 08-01-2018, 01:30 PM

Very interesting article (above). So if Margareta is only the "Regent", how old does Nicolas de Roumanie have to be before he can become the next in line without Aunty Margareta interfering? He is already in his 30's and I always thought regency's were set up for minors.