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Old 01-06-2018, 07:43 PM
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If there was a strong enough claim that the Elisabeta Palace was personal property of the family then it surely would have gone back to the family with Savarsin Castle
& Peleş Castle.
I have to say there seems a lot of uncertainty in Romania at the moment. A republic giving the family of a deposed Monarch use of an official residence gives mixed messages IMO.

The entire Peles Castle Complex, consisting of the park, the castles, and the hunting lodge was already in possession of King Michael as well as Savarsin Palace and park.
It is clear and evident that Elisabeta Palace was in fact private property, as stated by letters published by the Royal House, stating that the funds to build the palace were Princess Elizabeth's so what dispute can their possibly be apart from the insistence of the government, which can already be deemed illegal.
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:01 PM
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The entire Peles Castle Complex, consisting of the park, the castles, and the hunting lodge was already in possession of King Michael as well as Savarsin Palace and park.
It is clear and evident that Elisabeta Palace was in fact private property, as stated by letters published by the Royal House, stating that the funds to build the palace were Princess Elizabeth's so what dispute can their possibly be apart from the insistence of the government, which can already be deemed illegal.
Elisabeta Palace was not built by the late King and had never been his property.
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:02 PM
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Elisabeta Palace was not built by the late King and had never been his property.


But if you read my response then you'd have known what I said
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:05 PM
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But if you read my response then you'd have known what I said
It is state property because none of the nephew's or nieces of the late Princess started a legal claim.
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:48 AM
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The Goverment gave a negative response to the so called "Law of the Royal House" underlining Elisabeta Palace was given in use to the King and not to his descendants:

https://m.antena3.ro/actualitate/lovitura-din-partea-guvernului-pentru-casa-regala-a-romaniei-450049.html
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Old 01-10-2018, 12:33 PM
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One Castle Savarsin is enough for The Crown Princess and her husband.
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Old 01-10-2018, 12:56 PM
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One Castle Savarsin is enough for The Crown Princess and her husband.

The government can't take back The Peles Castle complex as she already owns it.
But the issue is that Bucharest is a capital and they need some sort of residence in the capital as an official residence where they can also receive dignitaries as well as Royal supports whereas in savarsin there are much less people than in Bucharest
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The government can't take back The Peles Castle complex as she already owns it.
But the issue is that Bucharest is a capital and they need some sort of residence in the capital as an official residence where they can also receive dignitaries as well as Royal supports whereas in savarsin there are much less people than in Bucharest
This is not the responsability of the goverment.
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Old 01-10-2018, 08:41 PM
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This is not the responsability of the goverment.

In my opinion it should be, it is only because of the Romanian Royal Family that the government is as it is.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:49 AM
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In my opinion it should be, it is only because of the Romanian Royal Family that the government is as it is.
The country is a republic and the King's Family has enough properties where to live.
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:43 AM
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The government can't take back The Peles Castle complex as she already owns it.
But the issue is that Bucharest is a capital and they need some sort of residence in the capital as an official residence where they can also receive dignitaries as well as Royal supports whereas in savarsin there are much less people than in Bucharest
By my knowledge the State wanted to buy Peles castle but the negotiations for the sale are not completed?
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:46 AM
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This is not the responsability of the goverment.
It is the responsibility of the government because the State made an arrangement with the late King Michael but still there are unclarities about the use and the future of Peles Castle.

Since the building belongs to the national patrimonium, since the state uses it as a national museum, it is logic that the state has a responsibility as well.
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Old 01-11-2018, 07:44 AM
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By my knowledge the State wanted to buy Peles castle but the negotiations for the sale are not completed?


About Peles Castle there aren't any negotiations, the king has leased the castle to the state
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:19 AM
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It is the responsibility of the government because the State made an arrangement with the late King Michael but still there are unclarities about the use and the future of Peles Castle.

Since the building belongs to the national patrimonium, since the state uses it as a national museum, it is logic that the state has a responsibility as well.


The entire complex is owned by Crown Princess Margareta, there is no exterior ownership, there is a lease for Peles (national history board) and the hunting lodge/foisor (local council) and the surrounding properties including Pelisor castle and certain areas of the park are off bound to the public as private residence of the royal family.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:00 AM
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Not a lot off palaces for 3 members of a Royal Family of the past : Crown Princess , Prince Radu and Princess Maria and no Heir, no future .
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:42 AM
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It is the responsibility of the government because the State made an arrangement with the late King Michael but still there are unclarities about the use and the future of Peles Castle.

Since the building belongs to the national patrimonium, since the state uses it as a national museum, it is logic that the state has a responsibility as well.
The state gave Elisabeta Palace as an official residence of the King because he was considered a firmer head of state. The Palace was not given in use for the Kings Family but for the King. The fact some members of the Famiy lived there was only because the King was still alive.
Now the government can ask for a big rent for the Palace or can ask the Family to leave the Palace at the beginning of February. The state has no responsibility towards a private family.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:43 AM
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The entire complex is owned by Crown Princess Margareta, there is no exterior ownership, there is a lease for Peles (national history board) and the hunting lodge/foisor (local council) and the surrounding properties including Pelisor castle and certain areas of the park are off bound to the public as private residence of the royal family.
Why only one daughter of the King should own the castle and not all of them?
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Old 01-11-2018, 12:25 PM
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Why only one daughter of the King should own the castle and not all of them?
Possibly a fide´-commis sort of systematic in a will (a "pass through the generations"-clausule to keep the historic patrimonium of the former royal family at the disposal of the Bearer of the Crown). This is not unusual amongst royal and noble dynasties.

Such a fide´-commis means the family is the heir but a designated person enjoys the usufruct and ownership's rights without actually being the owner.
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The government does not accept to let the Family live in the Palace for an year without rent and then only to pay a rent:

http://m.adevarul.ro/news/politica/cum-taie-tudose-statutul-asistat-social-casei-regale-ai-luat-pelesul-luat-savarsinul-padurice-padure-domenii-1_5a5797c2df52022f7568ecba/index.html
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:53 PM
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Not a lot off palaces for 3 members of a Royal Family of the past : Crown Princess , Prince Radu and Princess Maria and no Heir, no future .


I aswell as many other people believe that they should be able to reside in Elisabeta Palace without having to pay rent, the palace is associated with the royal family.
Also there is an heir, Princess Elena who in turn will be succeeded by her daughter or either Nicholas so there is a future*
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