Romanian Castles, Palaces and Residences

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by tommy100

If there was a strong enough claim that the Elisabeta Palace was personal property of the family then it surely would have gone back to the family with Savarsin Castle
& Peleş Castle.
I have to say there seems a lot of uncertainty in Romania at the moment. A republic giving the family of a deposed Monarch use of an official residence gives mixed messages IMO.

The entire Peles Castle Complex, consisting of the park, the castles, and the hunting lodge was already in possession of King Michael as well as Savarsin Palace and park.
It is clear and evident that Elisabeta Palace was in fact private property, as stated by letters published by the Royal House, stating that the funds to build the palace were Princess Elizabeth's so what dispute can their possibly be apart from the insistence of the government, which can already be deemed illegal.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

The entire Peles Castle Complex, consisting of the park, the castles, and the hunting lodge was already in possession of King Michael as well as Savarsin Palace and park.
It is clear and evident that Elisabeta Palace was in fact private property, as stated by letters published by the Royal House, stating that the funds to build the palace were Princess Elizabeth's so what dispute can their possibly be apart from the insistence of the government, which can already be deemed illegal.

Elisabeta Palace was not built by the late King and had never been his property.

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by Cory

Elisabeta Palace was not built by the late King and had never been his property.

But if you read my response then you'd have known what I said

[Cory]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

But if you read my response then you'd have known what I said

It is state property because none of the nephew's or nieces of the late Princess started a legal claim.

[Cory]

The Goverment gave a negative response to the so called "Law of the Royal House" underlining Elisabeta Palace was given in use to the King and not to his descendants:

https://m.antena3.ro/actualitate/lovitura-din-partea-guvernului-pentru-casa-regala-a-romaniei-450049.html

[maria-olivia]

One Castle Savarsin is enough for The Crown Princess and her husband.

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

One Castle Savarsin is enough for The Crown Princess and her husband.

The government can't take back The Peles Castle complex as she already owns it.
But the issue is that Bucharest is a capital and they need some sort of residence in the capital as an official residence where they can also receive dignitaries as well as Royal supports whereas in savarsin there are much less people than in Bucharest

[Cory]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

The government can't take back The Peles Castle complex as she already owns it.
But the issue is that Bucharest is a capital and they need some sort of residence in the capital as an official residence where they can also receive dignitaries as well as Royal supports whereas in savarsin there are much less people than in Bucharest

This is not the responsability of the goverment.

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by Cory

This is not the responsability of the goverment.

In my opinion it should be, it is only because of the Romanian Royal Family that the government is as it is.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

In my opinion it should be, it is only because of the Romanian Royal Family that the government is as it is.

The country is a republic and the King's Family has enough properties where to live.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

The government can't take back The Peles Castle complex as she already owns it.
But the issue is that Bucharest is a capital and they need some sort of residence in the capital as an official residence where they can also receive dignitaries as well as Royal supports whereas in savarsin there are much less people than in Bucharest

By my knowledge the State wanted to buy Peles castle but the negotiations for the sale are not completed?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

This is not the responsability of the goverment.

It is the responsibility of the government because the State made an arrangement with the late King Michael but still there are unclarities about the use and the future of Peles Castle.

Since the building belongs to the national patrimonium, since the state uses it as a national museum, it is logic that the state has a responsibility as well.

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

By my knowledge the State wanted to buy Peles castle but the negotiations for the sale are not completed?

About Peles Castle there aren't any negotiations, the king has leased the castle to the state

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is the responsibility of the government because the State made an arrangement with the late King Michael but still there are unclarities about the use and the future of Peles Castle.

Since the building belongs to the national patrimonium, since the state uses it as a national museum, it is logic that the state has a responsibility as well.

The entire complex is owned by Crown Princess Margareta, there is no exterior ownership, there is a lease for Peles (national history board) and the hunting lodge/foisor (local council) and the surrounding properties including Pelisor castle and certain areas of the park are off bound to the public as private residence of the royal family.

[maria-olivia]

Not a lot off palaces for 3 members of a Royal Family of the past : Crown Princess , Prince Radu and Princess Maria and no Heir, no future .

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is the responsibility of the government because the State made an arrangement with the late King Michael but still there are unclarities about the use and the future of Peles Castle.

Since the building belongs to the national patrimonium, since the state uses it as a national museum, it is logic that the state has a responsibility as well.

The state gave Elisabeta Palace as an official residence of the King because he was considered a firmer head of state. The Palace was not given in use for the Kings Family but for the King. The fact some members of the Famiy lived there was only because the King was still alive.
Now the government can ask for a big rent for the Palace or can ask the Family to leave the Palace at the beginning of February. The state has no responsibility towards a private family.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

The entire complex is owned by Crown Princess Margareta, there is no exterior ownership, there is a lease for Peles (national history board) and the hunting lodge/foisor (local council) and the surrounding properties including Pelisor castle and certain areas of the park are off bound to the public as private residence of the royal family.

Why only one daughter of the King should own the castle and not all of them?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

Why only one daughter of the King should own the castle and not all of them?

Possibly a fideï-commis sort of systematic in a will (a "pass through the generations"-clausule to keep the historic patrimonium of the former royal family at the disposal of the Bearer of the Crown). This is not unusual amongst royal and noble dynasties.

Such a fideï-commis means the family is the heir but a designated person enjoys the usufruct and ownership's rights without actually being the owner.

[Cory]

The government does not accept to let the Family live in the Palace for an year without rent and then only to pay a rent:

http://m.adevarul.ro/news/politica/cum-taie-tudose-statutul-asistat-social-casei-regale-ai-luat-pelesul-luat-savarsinul-padurice-padure-domenii-1_5a5797c2df52022f7568ecba/index.html

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Not a lot off palaces for 3 members of a Royal Family of the past : Crown Princess , Prince Radu and Princess Maria and no Heir, no future .

I aswell as many other people believe that they should be able to reside in Elisabeta Palace without having to pay rent, the palace is associated with the royal family.
Also there is an heir, Princess Elena who in turn will be succeeded by her daughter or either Nicholas so there is a future*