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Old 06-30-2016, 03:20 PM
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It is quite clear the King's elsest daughter is not advocating for the restoration of Monarchy and that's even more obvious after accepting the last project of law. She is often critisized for her Romanian language by very many Romanians. If you consider yourself Romanian you speak the language. Marina Sturdza for example was raised in exile but she speaks a very good Romanian.
I refer you to your recent trashing of the Princess and her ability to speak Romanian. I suppose her language skills have deteriorated since you said they were quite good a few years ago?

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The decision could be linked to the importance of being Romanians because even today some argue the daughters of the King are not Romanians. The truth is that only Princess Margareta speaks a quite good Romanian.
A hallmark of the monarchy as a system, and a monarchist as a supporter, is that one is principled and able to see past a person and onto the institution as a greater arrangement. Only when one does that, will the things that are irrelevant to the ordinary person and voter, disappear from the minds of those who are more than averagely interested in the issue as well, and only then can the Royal Family, the supporters of the monarchy and citizens come together to change a system of governance to the benefit of all Romanians.

Until we are at that crossroads, we should refrain from attacking and denigrating the institution we're actually trying to restore, by trashing those who represent it in Romania today, the Royal Family. Anything else is just counter-productive and yields no results for anyone, except the republicans, who want nothing more than monarchists and supporters to tear each other apart, to ensure that the monarchy as an institution will never be restored in Romania.
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If this law is passed the chances of the restoration are really diminished and the credibility of the King's Family not really great. Anyhow the Family does not really have younger generations envolved in what they do so the famous "Royal House" represents mostly only the interests of one couple and I certainly do not speak about the royal couple.
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:07 PM
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This is an elitist and snobby argument, used against someone who does their best at speaking a language they did not grow up with. Many royal families speak French, English or German in private, and do not use the language of the country they rule over, such as the Danish and Swedish royal families, who mainly use French.
The swedish royal family doesn't mainly use French. When king Carl Gustaf and queen Silvia made a state visit to France, the king spoke english and said that his french isn't very good. Queen Silvia spoke french with the press. I have never heard that Carl Philip, Madeleine, Daniel and Sofia can speak french. And queen Silvia has told in interviews that she has always spoken swedish with her children and the king.
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:38 PM
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The Pretender to the Throne of Romania must learn Romanian very well. If you do not soeak the language in almost a perfect way the majority would never support you.
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:43 PM
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The Pretender to the Throne of Romania must learn Romanian very well. If you do not soeak the language in almost a perfect way the majority would never support you.
I agree, although the word perfect indicates, again, a subjective opinion and not a fact.

So apparently, do you.

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The truth is that only Princess Margareta speaks a quite good Romanian.
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:48 PM
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Cory, (1) exactly what do "the royalists" want and (2) how do they propose to accomplish what they want if this law restoring an official role for the Royal Family does not happen?
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Old 06-30-2016, 07:39 PM
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The monarchusts of the Movement for Kingdom and Crown and those of the different Monarchists Clubs are against this project of law that eould change the King's Family in a reality subordinated to the republic agreeing with a law that explicitly says the question of the change if the firm of government is not intended.
These monarchists ask for the restoration of Monarchy with a Constitutional Assembly.
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Old 06-30-2016, 07:46 PM
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OK, and how do they propose to make a restoration of monarchy with a Constitutional Assembly happen? Why do they think that it is possible or likely?
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The polls show us that in the last 26 years there is a clear stronger support for Monarchy ( from less than 10% in 1990 to 30% now). There are a lot of people who are not against but not yet convinced. The Monarchist Clubs, whose most important leader is Dr. Marinca, are quite succesful and they are organized both in the country and in the diaspora and now they cooperate with the Movement for Kingdom and Crown whose most important leader is Mrs Marilena Rotaru. Of course there is much more campaign to do but the public opinion is not generally against Monarchy.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:57 PM
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The polls show us that in the last 26 years there is a clear stronger support for Monarchy ( from less than 10% in 1990 to 30% now). There are a lot of people who are not against but not yet convinced. The Monarchist Clubs, whose most important leader is Dr. Marinca, are quite succesful and they are organized both in the country and in the diaspora and now they cooperate with the Movement for Kingdom and Crown whose most important leader is Mrs Marilena Rotaru. Of course there is much more campaign to do but the public opinion is not generally against Monarchy.
The approval rating of the King is in high 50s, and the Crown Princess has an approval rating in the 30s, while the monarchy has around 30% support, so to disregard the Royal Family and claim that they are irrelevant to the monarchical process is personal and not based on facts.
Any organization that supports the institution of monarchy, represented by the Royal Family, is a good thing, but like any group, must always avoid the appearance of both infighting and being practical when it comes to what can be achieved, and how.
The monarchy can be restored in Romania, that's evident from numbers and level of support. It can however not be done without the Royal Family, a solution to succession and a unified effort by everyone on the monarchical side.
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:29 AM
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The support for the King would be around 45-50% but this is not the case for his eldest daughter who does not have children.
The monarchists know very well the grandaughters of the King are not known by the people and not connected to Romania so the King's descendants not only not have dynastic rights but are not really interested in the restoration.
The Movement for the Kingdom and Crown and the Monarchist Clubs also know the campaign for the restoration needs time.
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:57 PM
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The clear purpose of the monarchists remain the restoration :

https://monarhiasalveazaromania.word...at-si-coroana/
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:11 PM
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The main goal of the Royal Family of Romania is the restoration of the monarchy in Romania.

Principesa Margareta: Sunt pregătită pentru reinstaurarea monarhiei | DC News | De ce se intampla

'Sunt aici. Sunt pregătită.' - I'm here. I'm ready.

Intelligently, the Crown Princess said in her statement last year, that 'we want to serve the country as we can, ... it depends on the Romanian and the political will', knowing full well that the restoring the monarchy is a process that needs politicians to support it, and people to be ready for it.
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We will see in the next period the attitude towards Restoration of both the King's Family and the politicians. We will also have to see how the monarchists will build a strategy for the future.
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Several posts have been deleted, as they contained personal arguments between posters.

Again, I invite all the partecipants to the discussion to treat each other with the due respect and education.

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Old 07-01-2016, 06:02 PM
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Thanks. The monarchists in the monarchy organization seem to like the new law regarding official status for the Royal House:

https://monarhiasalveazaromania.word...spre-monarhie/
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:06 PM
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Thanks. The monarchists in the monarchy organization seem to like the new law regarding official status for the Royal House:

https://monarhiasalveazaromania.word...spre-monarhie/
I'm sure someone will claim that the Romanian monarchists know nothing about the Romanian monarchists' realities.
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Thanks. The monarchists in the monarchy organization seem to like the new law regarding official status for the Royal House:

https://monarhiasalveazaromania.word...spre-monarhie/
They represent a new Association and their aim is the restoration of Monarchy. Even recently though they mention the Norms of 2007 have forcthe moment validity only inside the Family.
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Old 07-01-2016, 06:19 PM
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Thanks. The monarchists in the monarchy organization seem to like the new law regarding official status for the Royal House:

https://monarhiasalveazaromania.word...spre-monarhie/
It is wonderful to read an actual review of the current process, and how it is a solid step towards a restoration.
Obviously this law is upsetting to those who want another family or dynasty on the throne, but a thorough reading of it makes it clear that Parliament is now doing what the King requested in 2007; recognizing female succession and the Crown Princess as head of the Royal Family in Romania.
The text draws some interesting parallels to the situation in Spain before the restoration, and as I have written many times before, in a country where there is no coup or war, this type of process is the best hope and possibly only way of changing a country into a monarchy, in cooperation with politicians.

This law cannot be approved soon enough in my view.
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Many of those that signed the Petition against this law are not necessarily in favour of another Dynasty but are in favour of Monarchy. Certainly it is not the right of the republican authorities who is in the Line of Succession.
With the elections coming in autumn it will be very difficult to many politicians to vote such a law.
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