Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania

[Cory]

If the Monarchy will ever return it won't be anyway with the descendants of the King now engaged in this compromise.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by MAfan

And where is it written? Who says so? It is a fact that many republics have laws regarding their former royal houses.
The proposed law would ensure that, after King Michael's death, the Royal Family will continue to have the necessary means to perform their activities; if they play their cards well, they may even succeed to persuade the majority of the Romanians that the monarchy is a useful institution and that the monarchy as a form of government could be a good thing for the country. But without such means, I cannot see how could any restoration happen.
What if the line of the more extremist and "more-royalist-than-the-king-himself" passed? In a few years you'd have the descendants of a former royal house, without any role, without a funcion to perform, without funds. People who, at a point, shoud go to find a job and live their normal, ordinary and private lives. Then please don't complain because they aren't in their (former) country full time to play the King-in-waiting.

It is a pity you do not read the comments of the Romanian royalists on what's going on.

[MAfan]

Oh, yes, of course, I forgot that for some odd reason one day the Romanians should call the Prince of Hohenzollern to be their King, who will for sure out of nowhere leave his life in Germany to become King of the land where his great-great-uncle once reigned...

Anyway, if this is the premise and if the "descendants of the King" won't have any place in the future Romanian monarchy, why are the romanian royalist personalities worried that the compromise might cause some harm to the monarchy?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Look at the former royal families in Germany: Hannover, Bavaria, Hohenzollern, Lippe, Württemberg, Hessen, Baden, Waldeck-Pyrmont, etc. All of them have made agreements with the state and with the various Bundesländer. For an example the State of Bavaria still pays an annual compensation to the Wittelsbachers, almost 100 years after the collapse of the monarchies. These former royal families still enjoy wealth, reside on their ancestral castles, are living from family assets and explore vast dominions: the former royal and aristocratic families are by far the biggest private landowners in Germany.

Before the current Romanian republic, the immensely royal and darkblue blooded Michael was an impoverished man, living with his equally immensely blueblooded Bourbon-Parma spouse out there in Switzerland, cut off from all and everything he once owned in Romania. In the current republic King Michael has been acknowledged by presidents, he has addressed the republican Parliament, the republican Government has returned properties and gave (and still give) assistance in finances, in staffing, in houding, in facilitating. They even allow Romanian military to have a ceremonial role connected with the former royal family. In fact a semi-formal position for the former Royal House woul be a great and symbolic recognition of the non-official coexistence sinct the fall oj Frauces u.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by MAfan

Oh, yes, of course, I forgot that for some odd reason one day the Romanians should call the Prince of Hohenzollern to be their King, who will for sure out of nowhere leave his life in Germany to become King of the land where his great-great-uncle once reigned...

Anyway, if this is the premise and if the "descendants of the King" won't have any place in the future Romanian monarchy, why are the romanian royalist personalities worried that the compromise might cause some harm to the monarchy?

For the moment the mere idea of Monarchy seems to be compromised.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Cory

It is a pity you do not read the comments of the Romanian royalists on what's going on.

For your informations: I did read them. I then expressed my doubts and personal opinion.
What I find a pity is that, apparently, I cannot get any response with factual contents by certain members who, supposedly, are more knowledgeable than me on the matter and "know the romanian realities".

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Look at the former royal families in Germany: Hannover, Bavaria, Hohenzollern, Lippe, Württemberg, Hessen, Baden, Waldeck-Pyrmont, etc. All of them have made agreements with the state and with the various Bundesländer. For an example the State of Bavaria still pays an annual compensation to the Wittelsbachers, almost 100 years after the collapse of the monarchies. These former royal families still enjoy wealth, reside on their ancestral castled, are living from family assets and explore vast dominions: the former royal and aristocratic families are by far the biggest private landowners in Germany.

Before the current Romanian republic, the immensely royal and darkblue blooded Michael was an impoverished man, living with his equally immensely blueblooded Bourbon-Parma spouse out there in Switzerland, cut off from all and everything he once owned in Romania. In the current republic King Michael has been acknowledged by presidents, he has addressed the republican Parliament, the republican Government has returned properties and gave (and still give) assistance in finances, in staffing, in houding, in facilitating. They even allow Romanian military to have a ceremonial role connected with the former royal family. In fact a semi-formal position for the former Royal House woul be a great and symbolic recognition of the non-official coexistence sinct the fall oj Frauces u.

Have you read the project of law published today by the government?

Today the public debate about the so called "Law about the Royal House of Romania" could start. The government wants a public debate. The project has 5 chapters with more than 11 articles. It is debatable if such a law is constitutional or not. Some interesting facts of the law: clearly states there is no wish for the change of the form of government, the "Head of the Royal House" is recognized by the two Chambers of the republican government, there is a budget from the state, Elisabeta Palace remains to the state but is used by the "Royal House", the "Head of the Royal House" decides the Rules of the institution and the way the future Heads will be appointed, the "Head of the Royal House" writes a report to the Parliament about the activities of this institution.
The "Royal House" is sponsored financially by the republican state but is subordinated to the Parliament.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cory

The King has always wanted the restoration of the Monarchy and he has never spoken about the Royal House as an institution of the republican system.

That is a rather misleading statement since His Majesty did quite publicly support the presidential campaign of Prince Radu several years ago.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

Today the public debate about the so called "Law about the Royal House of Romania" could start. The government wants a public debate. The project has 5 chapters with more than 11 articles. It is debatable if such a law is constitutional or not. Some interesting facts of the law: clearly states there is no wish for the change of the form of government, the "Head of the Royal House" is recognized by the two Chambers of the republican government, there is a budget from the state, Elisabeta Palace remains to the state but is used by the "Royal House", the "Head of the Royal House" decides the Rules of the institution and the way the future Heads will be appointed, the "Head of the Royal House" writes a report to the Parliament about the activities of this institution.
The "Royal House" is sponsored financially by the republican state but is subordinated to the Parliament.

If I was Princess Margarita, I would immediately accept the surprisingly generous offer of the Government. I can not imagine the Governments of France or Austria to be so forthcoming towards their former royal families. Imagine the uproar when President M. Hollande would offer the Château de Rambouillet or another residence at the disposal of Prince Henri d'Orléans, that the République would pay for an office, staffing and give a working budget. Really, Princess Margarita should sink on their bare knees for such a well-willing attitude by the Government of Romania and not listen to "royalists" chasing impossible dreams.

[Cory]

She can do what she wishes. Accepting such a deal means assurong she loses the support of many people.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Can you give insight in "many people" ? How many? Twenty? One hundred?

[Cory]

Looking at the reactions in the press, blogs, Facebook many people indeed. But she does not need support anymore from the royalists because she is supported now by the republic. And the question of a future restoration of Monarchy has certainly nothing to do with her anymore.

[Duc_et_Pair]

What will be your attitude when suddenly Karina de Roumanie-Medforth Mills engages with the Erbprinz von Hohenzollern? Is it then okay that the new princely couple enjoys financial, organisatoric and facilitary support from the State of Romania, or not?

[maria-olivia]

Cory ,Are Press,blogs and Facebook your sources ?
I was there 2 Weeks and spoke with a lot of Romanian people .
They all said it is too early for that !

[Duc_et_Pair]

Too early for what? Restoration?

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

What will be your attitude when suddenly Karina de Roumanie-Medforth Mills engages with the Erbprinz von Hohenzollern? Is it then okay that the new princely couple enjoys financial, organisatoric and facilitary support from the State of Romania, or not?

The Royal Family can't be subordinated to the republican authorities and the Royal House can't be like an association paid by the republican regime.

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Too early for what? Restoration?

It is certainly too early for a restoration of Monarchy.

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Cory ,Are Press,blogs and Facebook your sources ?
I was there 2 Weeks and spoke with a lot of Romanian people .
They all said it is too early for that !

I spoke with many Romanians in the last few days about this "project" wanted by Elisabeta Palace and the majority were not only dissapointed but even scandalized by it.

[maria-olivia]

Duke , too early for a Restauration of the Monarchy!

[Cory]

But finally the royalist understood to whom they can count for a restoration campaign.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

The Royal Family can't be subordinated to the republican authorities and the Royal House can't be like an association paid by the republican regime.

I have difficulties understanding you. The Spanish, Belgian or Dutch Kings are totally under control by their Government. Every hiccup must be covered by ministerial responsability. They are given a Budget which has been approved by an elected Parliament, their expenditures are assessed by an auditory office which reports to the Government. Their housing, their security, their transportation, their Household organization, their communucations department, everything is paid for or provided by the State.

Now the State of Romania thinks about a similar regulation, not because they have to do, but because of goodwill towards the former royal family. And then this is suddenly a problem because it is a "republican Government"? There is no any indication that Romanians want a monarchy. This is reality and it is -I have already said it- most generous indeed by the State of Romania because they do not need to be so forthcoming towards the former royal family.

[Cory]

You can't compare a REIGNING Royal House in a European CONSTITUTION MONARCHY with the King's Family in Romania that will become like an associatoon subordinated to the republican regime.