Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Honestly, what la-la land are the Romanian royalists living in?

The more time that passed since King Michael returned to his country in the 1990s, the more the likelihood that he would be restored as king, or that the monarchy would be restored in general, has decreased. If the monarchists were *serious* and committed to their cause, they would have used the momentum created at various times by different events (the King's 90th birthday, political scandals, etc.) in order to bring back the monarchy. However, this was not done, and the monarchists have now squandered the chances of seeing their dreams realized and seem to slowly fall victim to infighting and squabbles.

Regardless of how repulsive he may be to some, at least Prince Radu is trying to definitively secure a place for the Royal Family in the nation's future life.

The polls show clearly that in the last years the idea of Monarchy was much more popular than in 1990. The only problem is to have a Pretender and a Line of Succession that lead the campaign for Monarchy.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cory

The polls show clearly that in the last years the idea of Monarchy was much more popular than in 1990. The only problem is to have a Pretender and a Line of Succession that lead the campaign for Monarchy.

"Polls," "idea," "popular."

These words mean nothing.

The fact is that the Romanian royalists should have spearheaded an organized campaign to bring back the monarchy, but they did not, and now the period of opportunity has passed.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

"Polls," "idea," "popular."

These words mean nothing.

The fact is that the Romanian royalists should have spearheaded an organized campaign to bring back the monarchy, but they did not, and now the period of opportunity has passed.

Indeed. When Princess Margareta and her sisters are wise, they hurry to make arrangements about the use of (former) House properties and a semi-official recognition of the position of the former Royal House, eventually with an apanage. Now the momentum is with them. Soon the well-willing sentiment will fade away.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

"Polls," "idea," "popular."

These words mean nothing.

The fact is that the Romanian royalists should have spearheaded an organized campaign to bring back the monarchy, but they did not, and now the period of opportunity has passed.

Because of the campaign of the royalists the support for monarchy is three times as it was in 1990.

If the will of the people does not mean anything what can we say more?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cory

Because of the campaign of the royalists the support for monarchy is three times as it was in 1990.

If the will of the people does not mean anything what can we say more?

No, the royalists never mounted an organized campaign. Has there ever been any monarchist parties formed or monarchist MPs elected that could have affected an actual change of governmental system in favor of a restoration? Not that I can recall.

The primary reason the support for the monarchy has been elevated over these past two decades is solely based on the popularity of the royal family, mostly in the person of King Michael, who was rediscovered as a public figure after so many years in exile as a result of the Communist regime.

[Cory]

It is certainly true the King has been more and more popular in the last years but only who does not fully know the Romanian realities can deny the campaigns organized by the royalists especially in the last few years. The fact there is not a royalist important party does not mean there are not royalists in the parliament.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cory

It is certainly true the King has been more and more popular in the last years but only who does not fully know the Romanian realities can deny the campaigns organized by the royalists especially in the last few years. The fact there is not a royalist important party does not mean there are not royalists in the parliament.

You hide behind the term "Romanian realities" like it is some kind of stealth shield, when in *reality* it just tends to mask your own lack of knowledge on a subject.

You do not deny that there has not been an *organized* monarchist campaign in Romania.

Even the Brazilians, who were dealing with a dynastic split, did a better job than the Romanians have of facilitating in 1993 a constitutional referendum that had the restoration of a monarchical system as an option.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

You hide behind the term "Romanian realities" like it is some kind of stealth shield, when in *reality* it just tends to mask your own lack of knowledge on a subject.

You do not deny that there has not been an *organized* monarchist campaign in Romania.

Even the Brazilians, who were dealing with a dynastic split, did a better job than the Romanians have of facilitating in 1993 a constitutional referendum that had the restoration of a monarchical system as an option.

Try to respect the Romanian royalists even if you do not seem to recognize all their campaigns.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Cory

Try to respect the Romanian royalists even if you do not seem to recognize all their campaigns.

You continue to meet any other poster with the same meaningless words, that nobody but you knows the 'Romanian realities', or at least that nobody who doesn't agree with your views du jour does, and it continues to surprise me that every fact, question or point made is always overlooked completely, so that you can insert your very own favourite phrase: 'You do not know the Romanian realities'. How good it would be if we could move past that at some point, sooner rather than later.

The current momentum and sentiment in Romania is certainly on the side of the Royal Family, who as Benjamin, and Duc previously, have said, have not had the fortune of having any kingmaker, or even an organized campaign to restore the monarchy on their side. No monarchy can be restored without that assistance, and it might be true that the best solution at this point, is to allow for a process à la Montenegro to take place. The old age and illness of the King is part of a natural process that always adds affection towards a person and sometimes the institution represented, but as that doesn't last, it is usually a good idea to make decisions for times to come when you have the people you need, on your side.

Maybe some of the royalists won't get all they would want at this point, but the Royal Family has been very clear; they're here to serve, in whatever capacity people want them to. People elect politicians, politicians decide and if they decide a Montenegrin solution is the right call at this point in time, I do not see that it will harm neither the Royal Family itself, nor the cause of the monarchy. As was said about Montenegro, it's a restoration by stealth, and whether or not it progresses from there at some later stage, is again up to the work of the Royal Family and the will of the people (politicians).

Only a few years ago, the 'Montenegrin solution' was an unknown creation, and who knows what that is some time from today. The best way forward for any Royal Family who wishes to contribute to the country that they once ruled/reigned over, is to find a way to work with politicians and civil society to contribute positively in the lives of ordinary people, and at some stage, maybe a Kingmaker appears or a process takes place that leads to something more.

It certainly wouldn't be a good look for the Royal Family to be offered a place in society and decline it, even if it is within a republican framework. It's more than most former royal families are allowed, and a good way of showcasing what monarchy is like and what it can do for the nation.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Indeed. When Princess Margareta and her sisters are wise, they hurry to make arrangements about the use of (former) House properties and a semi-official recognition of the position of the former Royal House, eventually with an apanage. Now the momentum is with them. Soon the well-willing sentiment will fade away.

Hardly encouraging for the royalist cause.

[CSENYC]

Constitutional monarchy is a good thing, but someone who married into a former royal family and who demands 4.5 million euros per year is not helping the cause.

[Cory]

It will be interested to see the impact of MRR in the public opinion. Obviously ANRM lost some of its supporters recently.

[maria-olivia]

I went 2 weeks in Roumania for mud treatements (I did not like).

The Royals are absolutely unknown by young people. They are modern with smartphones etc...I asked to our Roumanian guide what was her opinion.
She said it is too early for that.
She said also that Nicolas having a child out of wedding was a remembering for King Michael for what is own father King Carol II did.
One Child before his wedding , a Child while he married Princess helena of Greece (himself), and Children when he was still married and after Magda L.

[Cory]

Certainly it is really too early.

[eya]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

I went 2 weeks in Roumania for mud treatements (I did not like).

The Royals are absolutely unknown by young people. They are modern with smartphones etc...I asked to our Roumanian guide what was her opinion.
She said it is too early for that.
She said also that Nicolas having a child out of wedding was a remembering for King Michael for what is own father King Carol II did.
One Child before his wedding , a Child while he married Princess helena of Greece (himself), and Children when he was still married and after Magda L.

Thanks Maria-olivia.
King Michael must concern for the future of his royal house and this future was Nicolae and don't drive out him because remembering something his father did before how much? 90 or more years???

Agree!! We are in 2016 and not 1920!!!!!!!!

[Cory]

Mr Nicholas Medforth Mills can't be compared in any way to his great-grandfather.

[Cory]

It is not only a question of historic period but of two very different persons from all points of view.

[maria-olivia]

Our Roumanian guide explained : no word about King Michael in her history books at School.

The old King may remember his Father 's bad attitude and how his mother Queen Helena suffered.

[Cory]

The King knew his only hope to gain popularity for his family was his grandson.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Cory

The King knew his only hope to gain popularity for his family was his grandson.

Do you have any source or reference for this alleged insight into the mind of His Majesty?