Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania

[Cory]

That's very true. We won't know their real interest until the Succession will become really an issue.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by MAfan

[...] And certanily it won't be the current Fürst von Hohenzollern the one who will promote the restoration in Romania.

The current Fürst von Hohenzollern is probably a realistic man with large businesses to run and he may well have made the assessment that it is spilled energy to put too much efforts in "Romania" as the situation is at present. Most likely the Fürst made the right decision with that.

It can change after Princess Margarita. What will happen then? Then it can become interesting again for the Fürst to pay some attention to the affairs of his cousins in Romania.

[MAfan]

But then I wonder: why should the Romanians ever offer their throne to a man who has never cared about them and about Romania?

[Andy T]

Originally Posted by MAfan

But then I wonder: why should the Romanians ever offer their throne to a man who has never cared about them and about Romania?

Quite. The best hope for monarchists in Romania is firstly that the Hohenzollerns continue to show no interest so as to avoid the harakiri we have seen in countries like Italy and France and secondly that the King's family can get their act together.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by MAfan

But then I wonder: why should the Romanians ever offer their throne to a man who has never cared about them and about Romania?

Why should the Romanians ever offer the Throne to descendants of nowadays King who hardly speak Romanian or do not speak it at all?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by MAfan

But then I wonder: why should the Romanians ever offer their throne to a man who has never cared about them and about Romania?

Oh... the throne... forget it. I was talking about the domains and the estates. The Hohenzollerns have large domains and a number of historic castles. I can imagine it is more interesting to them to add the domains to fheir already efficient estate management, proven for 1000 years, than that it would be interesting for a someone in London, like Karina Medforth-Mills.

The throne is for daydreamers as Lambrino.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

Why should the Romanians ever offer the Throne to descendants of nowadays King who hardly speak Romanian or do not speak it at all?

That includes the current successors Karina Medforth-Mills and Elisabeth Biarneix, both living far away from Romania. At least the Hohenzollerns have some geographic acceptable distance, the history, the experience and hundreds of staff. Miss Medforth-Mills and mademoiselle Biarneix probably have never seen an estate in working while their far cousin Prince Alexander is already in the family business and studying management and economics. All three of them share that they don't speak Romanian.

But Máxima did not speak Dutch, Mary did not speak Danish, Nicholas did not speak Romanian, Mathilde did not speak Dutch, etc. A language can be learned...

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Cory

Why should the Romanians ever offer the Throne to descendants of nowadays King who hardly speak Romanian or do not speak it at all?

I suppose that in case of a restoration the Throne would be offered firstly to King Michael (who AFAIK knows and speak Romanian), then to his daughter Margarita (who AFAIK knows and speak Romanian).
If the restoration won't take place during their lives - which is something I can't see very likely - I don't think that the restoration will be ever considered again.
So I do not think that the Crown will be offered to any other descendant of King Michael who hardly speak romanian or do not speak it at all (although, as shown by many persons, the lack of knowledge of the language is an insormontable obstacle). The same goes for the Hohenzollerns IMO.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Oh... the throne... forget it. I was talking about the domains and the estates. The Hohenzollerns have large domains and a number of historic castles. I can imagine it is more interesting to them to add the domains to fheir already efficient estate management, proven for 1000 years, than that it would be interesting for a someone in London, like Karina Medforth-Mills.

The throne is for daydreamers as Lambrino.

Ah ok, I see what you mean. But I do not think that the Hohenzollerns would heve much success; there is (and will be) plenty of descendants and successors to the former and late Kings of Romania who would be more entitled to get back the estates, rather then the descendants of the brother of King Ferdinand by virtue of the fact that the old (and later abrogated) Constitution gave them a place in the line of succession.
It's more likely that any estate will be given back to King Michael's descendants or to King Ferdinand's descendants.

[Cory]

The Hohenzollerns have nothing to do with the private properties of King Michael.

[Cory]

The number of the royalists was really growing after 1990. The moments that made some of them stop supporting the former Monarch were in: 1996, 2007,2015.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Cory

The number of the royalists was really growing after 1990. The moments that made some of them stop supporting the former Monarch were in: 1996, 2007,2015.

I think you are mixing up 'stop supporting' with people who got confused by events in the Royal Family, such as the demotion of the-then Prince Nicholas in 2015. However, why such events, including that of Princess Sophie, confuses those who proclaim loudly and repetitively that the King is not entitled to change the succession or anything else monarchical in Romania, is just baffling.

You simply cannot be so inconsistent as to refuse the King the right to change titles and propose a line of succession, and then criticize every decision he makes under the rules you deny validity at all.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Cory

The number of the royalists was really growing after 1990. The moments that made some of them stop supporting the former Monarch were in: 1996, 2007,2015.

Could you please provide us any kind of source supporting the data you reported above?

[Cory]

I was just saying the numbers of royalists were not really great in 1990 but then started to grow. The polls showed a support forcthe King of even 40-45% few years ago.
In 1996, 2007 and 2015 were the monents when some royalists were dissapoinred even if they continued to remain royalists.
There are not polls regarding the attitude of the royalists regarding the decisiobs of the King. If somebody knows the Romanian royalists and read the articles in the ain newspapers it is easy to see all this.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Cory

I was just saying the numbers of royalists were not really great in 1990 but then started to grow. The polls showed a support forcthe King of even 40-45% few years ago.
In 1996, 2007 and 2015 were the monents when some royalists were dissapoinred even if they continued to remain royalists.
There are not polls regarding the attitude of the royalists regarding the decisiobs of the King. If somebody knows the Romanian royalists and read the articles in the ain newspapers it is easy to see all this.

What you 'see' in newspaper articles, is a combination of the view of the newspaper, interpreted by the reader, coloured by his/her own view. As an example of today, if you are in favour of Donald Trump and read newspaper X, you will see he is on his way to win the American election. If you are against him, read newspaper Y and find support for your view that he will never win.

The only polls made in Romania lately with regards to support for the King vs other official persons, shows him consistently at the top. With regards to the monarchy, represented only in Romania by the Royal Family, the latest polls measured support around 30%.

Can you please provide material to show a downturn in levels of support, or any level if support for the monarchy, excluding the Royal Family?

If not, these statements are pure campaign and not based on factual evidence at all.

[Cory]

They are not such polls in Romania. The King is popular even if his popularity is less than 50%. We will see the polls after him.
There are different royalist journalists that defended the Royal Family in 1990 when a lot of people as anti-royalist. Some of these royalist journalists expressed their dissapointed few tines in the last months. The real change is not represented by joyrnalusts but by many royalists that seem not to understand anymore the decisions officially signed in Aubonne.
You can't understand a country unless you know the mentality of the people, its politics and you speak not only with thise that have an " official thesis".

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Cory

They are not such polls in Romania. The King is popular even if his popularity is less than 50%. We will see the polls after him.
There are different royalist journalists that defended the Royal Family in 1990 when a lot of people as anti-royalist. Some of these royalist journalists expressed their dissapointed few tines in the last months. The real change is not represented by joyrnalusts but by many royalists that seem not to understand anymore the decisions officially signed in Aubonne.
You can't understand a country unless you know the mentality of the people, its politics and you speak not only with thise that have an " official thesis".

Once again, the continued references to 'knowing the country' are disrespectful, as you have no idea where I'm from and what I know, and I make no such judgements about yourself.

If you did however apply this phrase, knowing the country, to the Royal Family, some of whom are actively working and existing in Romania, while the Hohenzollerns do not know, do not visit, do not speak the language and, in the words of the late Prince Karl, have no interest in, how do you manage to come out with the Royal Family being against the wishes of Romanians, but the German, uninterested and unconnected Hohenzollerns are?

It just eludes me.

It is true, some journalists question issues that arise. That is their job. In the quarter of a century that has passed since the fall of communism, Romania has changed a lot, but in some ways, it remains dangerously close to the same nation it was back then.

It's only been two years since you yourself supported the King completely, and now there is a steady campaign against him, that claims support from unknown and unseen sources. It is very destructive to the common campaign we have to restore the monarchy, in a strong, credible and realistic form.

[Cory]

I have always respected King Mihai even when I did not agreed with some of his decisions after 1996.
For the moment the question of the restoration is really complicated anyway.
Ideas like the new program " The Steel Crown" promoted by Digi 24 could raise again the interest in the Monarchy giving Carol I of Hohenzollern as a model.

[Cory]

New royalist movement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKPtP046JnM

[Cory]

There are now the following assciations: the ANRM (very close to Elisabeta Palace's ideas), MRC ( in favour of the restoration of Monarchy) and the Royalists Clubs. How will these three typesof Associations cooperate and how will they approach the difficult issues?