Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania

[CSENYC]

USCTrojan, I totally agree with you.

One reason that I'm also in favor of restoring King Michael at least is because his overthrow was done by an evil regime of Communists. Restoring him would be righting a historical wrong and restoring how things would have been if that evil period hadn't ever happened. (If he had screwed up, like other deposed royals did, I'd see it differently- but he didn't do a thing wrong.)

If the US is ever invaded by extremist crazies and our government is ever overthrown, as happened in Romania, when the invaders are forced out, I'd sure hope that we'd restore things.

[COUNTESS]

Look, as I see Romania during WWII supporting the Nazis and handing over Jews in large numbers, who were murdered, in wholesale numbers and without protection, I have little respect for them. The King was not part of this, but when the Soviets arrived after being abused by the Germans with the help of Romanians and Hungarians, it was understandable. Not good, understandable.

[Warren]

This thread is not about Romanians handing over Jews to the Nazis and it would be advisable for you to avoid personally attacking other members.

thanks.

[Argie]

Originally Posted by NGalitzine

On what basis do you judge him to have done a superb job? He began as a boy king under a regency, then was king under a Nazi supporting government which was succeeded by a Soviet backed government which dethroned Michael. Except for one brief shining moment when Michael managed to overthrow the Nazi backed government and before the Soviets took over Michaels role in Roumania seems to have been pretty insignificant.
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King Michael of Romania did the best he could under the given circumstances in 1947. He couldn't have done anything else. I have been a huge fan of the Romanian royals and very much in favor of the restoration of the monarchy in Romania up until the early 90s, when, during his several visits to Romania, King Michael has compromised himself decorating, having dinners and collaborating etc. with the nowadays reformed communists turned politicians in the Romanian governing party. That's just too much, even for an enthusiast supporter of the monarchy. To add to our disappointment, it turns out that his one and only grandson, Prince Nicolae - brought up in London - does not speak one iota of Romanian. I mean, come on!

In regards to the comments made by some forum members that Romanian Jews were killed and sold out by the Romanians, that's not entirely true. I would advise those members to issue statements after carefully researching historical data. Not everything is black and white. Mostly just grey.

[Cory]

Two days ago Marilena Rotaru and Catalin Serban (National Alliance for the Restoration of Monarchy) at Antena 3 about Monarchy and Restoration:

http://videonews.antena3.ro/video/ro...n-romania.html


VideoNews :: Videos :: Marilena Rotaru: Regele ar însemna revenirea la fiin

[Argie]

I'm sorry, but Antena 3 in Romania is about as reliable a news source as Daily Mail. Actually, Daily Mail has kept a somewhat journalistic dignity by comparison.

And with the new scandal of the third daughter arrested for illegal activity in the U.S., I don't see how restoration of the former monarchy could save the country. I think the former monarchy has compromised its chances of becoming a solution for Romania's political turmoil a long time ago (the 90s).
If anything, it would probably add more problems to the Romanian people (and their justice system).
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[Cory]

The polls show the contrary.The popularity of the Royal Family and of Monarchy is increasing.

[USCtrojan]

Originally Posted by Cory

The polls show the contrary.The popularity of the Royal Family and of Monarchy is increasing.

Agreed! And... I don't believe that this is going to affect the royal family in Romania. I don't see Irina (thanks for catching my mistake) ever returning to Romania with the exception of a few times.

Nicolae on more than one occasion has been talked about as the heir by Romanian papers and has been seen as a positive light in terms of a male descendant- born elsewhere or not.

I think so many people forget that many of these families were stripped of their citizenship and had to make lives for themselves outside of their homes. I don't know if the King or even Constantine of Greece, and all of the other monarchs who were displaced thought they would return home.

You must give the kid some credit, he is now living full time in Romania, let alone speak Romanian (sometime in the future).

[Cory]

Prince Nicolae speaks Romanian and he represents a lot HM the King.

[USCtrojan]

Originally Posted by Cory

Prince Nicolae speaks Romanian and he represents a lot HM the King.

I have to say.... HRH has done very well over the short time that he had relocated to Romania full time. He has done a tremendous job with his Romanian which will ate some time to Iron out -it is not an easy language.

And, for a young man who has to work, he sure is busy with royal duties more often than people seem to think.

One really has to hand it to Nicolae! He has done a fine job in his new role since officially becoming a member of the royal house! I only wish him the best of luck as he continues to progress.

[Cory]

Obviously the future of the Romanian Monarchy will depends of how Prince Nicolae knows to continue the mission of his Grandfather and of His aunt. A marriage with a Princess will help the cause a lot.

[crm2317]

Originally Posted by Cory

Obviously the future of the Romanian Monarchy will depends of how Prince Nicolae knows to continue the mission of his Grandfather and of His aunt. A marriage with a Princess will help the cause a lot.

Please pardon my ignorance Cory but are there any dynastic limitations to who Prince Nicolae can marry? Do they have to be raised in a particular religious practice or be descended from nobility.

[Argie]

Originally Posted by crm2317

Please pardon my ignorance Cory but are there any dynastic limitations to who Prince Nicolae can marry? Do they have to be raised in a particular religious practice or be descended from nobility.

In the previous monarchic law, it was stipulated that the future King of Romania cannot marry a Romanian born, no restrictions on the title of the future wife. I do not know if that law still stands or can be changed by King Michael.

[Cory]

Prince Nicolae will need the permission of the Sovereign for his marriage.

[Jacknch]

It seems to me that Romania is a very good example of where the existence of the royal family in almost an official capacity works well within the confines of Romania being a republic.
I'm in the process of reading up on all these threads, so this question may well have alreay been answered - but what is the Government of Romania's stance on the royal family working and actively carrying out duties etc?

[Cory]

In Romania the Royal Family is respected by all the authorities with the excelption of the republican leader Basescu(close the the descendants of Zizi Lambrino). This is an ambiguos situation anyway that will end only when the republic will be finally abolished.

[CSENYC]

When Romanians think about restoring the monarchy, do they think as I do: "let's right a historical wrong and give King Michael his job back?"

That makes restoring the monarchy an easy and natural choice.

Or do Romanians think, "restoring the monarchy means restoring the pre-1947 order", which isn't necessarily a good thing?

I'm currently reading "Athene Palace" by Waldeck, which describes King Carol II as Romania's Stalin or Mussolini, a "bloodthirsty" regime that most people "detested".

I wouldn't want King Carol II back either, and so if restoring the monarchy would mean having that kind of leader, I see why people wouldn't want it.

Just curious.

[Argie]

Even old, traditional monarchists in Romania - such as my grandparents and parents - do not believe that monarchy can be restored in the near future. They think it should have been restored right after the fall of communism, in 1990, but that opportunity was lost due to old communists, disguised in democratic parties, such as the Social-Democratic Party, the National Liberal Party or the Democrat-Liberal Party, taking over the power.

In other words, there is no political will at any level to pursue the restoration of monarchy. While they all claim to "respect" the ex-monarchs of Romania, those remain just empty words, political rhetoric to fool the gullible. Sadly, the last scandal involving Princess Irina does not help the image of the Romanian monarchs in the eyes of Romanians.

[MarleneKoenig]

According to dear friends in Romania, the story about Irina has only been covered in a few papers, not major coverage. Moreover, the monarchy is about Michael and Margarita. The court case in Oregon is not relevant to a question of restoration in Romania.

Originally Posted by Argie

Even old, traditional monarchists in Romania - such as my grandparents and parents - do not believe that monarchy can be restored in the near future. They think it should have been restored right after the fall of communism, in 1990, but that opportunity was lost due to old communists, disguised in democratic parties, such as the Social-Democratic Party, the National Liberal Party or the Democrat-Liberal Party, taking over the power.
In other words, there is no political will at any level to pursue the restoration of monarchy. While they all claim to "respect" the ex-monarchs of Romania, those remain just empty words, political rhetoric to fool the gullible. Sadly, the last scandal involving Princess Irina does not help the image of the Romanian monarchs in the eyes of Romanians.

[Cory]

The case of Princess Irina was described in the front pages by all the main newspapers and all the main televisions spoke about this. This case does not help too much the cause of the Restoration.