Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania

[Cory]

The not very popular politician Basescu said a referendum on Monarchy could be useful in order to close this chapter. During his statements the very contested politician known for his critics toward the Royal Family pretended not to know the Line of Succession to the Throne:

http://valentinlungu.blogspot.ro/201...-ingroape.html

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http://www.ionutiancu.ro/jocurile-mo...marca-basescu/

[USCtrojan]

Of course he would! He wants people to think that the royal family does not exist or after HM the family will not sue to their majesties not having sons. Sometimes playing stupid does not get you far! People can see right through it and I really hope that the people can see through him.

The people know the royal family, and love them. He does not need to!

[Cory]

Maybe he just tries to finish the chapter of Monarchy but he won't succeed.

In the other hand the historic role of the Royal House will be recognized in the first article of the revised constitution.

[Cory]

Even the strongest critics of the Royal Family (as the leader who resides at Cotroceni) have to recognize the number of royalists is really increasing:

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[Cory]

Interesting polls regarding Monarchy and Royal Family in Romania:27% of the Romanians are for the restoration of Monarchy, 31,8% not decided;popularity of HM the King at 45%.

INFOGRAFIE Adev

http://ampress.ro/stiri/regele-mihai...e-guvernamant/

[Cory]

Debate "Can Monarchy Still Save Romania?" organized by "Adevarul" newspaper about the incresing support for Monarchy:

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[USCtrojan]

Originally Posted by Cory

Debate "Can Monarchy Still Save Romania?" organized by "Adevarul" newspaper about the incresing support for Monarchy:

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I recently read somewhere (I believe you may have posted it) about how people are saying that the king should still declare Nicolae his heir rather than his daughter as people feel that the monarchy has a better chance this way?

[Ish]

Originally Posted by USCtrojan

I recently read somewhere (I believe you may have posted it) about how people are saying that the king should still declare Nicolae his heir rather than his daughter as people feel that the monarchy has a better chance this way?

I read somewhere that when the monarchists were trying to get Michael to name a heir they went first with a male-line, male descendant (in accordance with the old succession laws), then decided that Nicolae would be acceptable as a male descendant, even though it's through a female line. Michael chose to ignore the wishes of the monarchists supporting his restoration and named his daughter as the heir instead, with the expectation that one day Nicolae will be the heir.

If that's true, then Michael's decision can be seen as the monarch going against the wishes of the people. It can also be seen as him putting his personal desires above the laws of the state (or the old ones that dealt with the succession). Finally, it can be argued that it would be better to name an individual who has children, or is capable of having children in the future, as the heir because it enables or ensures the succession of that line. Margareta has no children and is past the age where she would have children.

[Warren]

It could be argued that King Michael was taking a more practical, realistic and long-term view by formally naming Margarita as heiress.

Nicholas Medforth-Mills was created HRH Prince Nicolae on his 25th birthday in 2010. King Michael was then 89 years old. A boy-King may have romantic appeal for some but history has shown the fundamental flaw of a young politically-inexperienced heir having responsibility suddenly thrust upon him or her. Crown Princess Margarita is known, respected and experienced and has an active husband-partner in support. Plenty of time for young Prince Nicolae to create his own family let alone learn the language, understand the culture, establish a network of contacts, and become familiar with the official and unofficial power structures within and outside Romania. His time will come and until then Margarita will continue to personify the royal heritage, dynastic commitment and stability, and sense of service to the Romanian people and State that the Royal Family represents.

[Ish]

I do agree. I think that in choosing his eldest daughter, instead of a male relative, Michael brings the Romanian royal family into the 21st century, while by choosing his child over his grandchild he's attempting to ensure stability - a monarch in their 60s should be a far more secure and stable monarch than one in their 20s/30s.

To me the problem isn't so much in which heir he selected - Margareta is a better heir at this point than Michael - as the reaction of the monarchists, and how much other individuals in the House support Michael's decision, particularly after his death.

I think the decision of Margareta as heir over Nicolao (or someone else) is really really going to be determined as a "good" or "bad" decision once Michael's gone. Right now no one seems to be overly disputing it, but when Michael's gone other people could be make a claim to the throne and the whole thing could become like Russia.

[CSENYC]

I don't see a problem with having a young monarch. King Michael himself was only in his 20s during most of his second reign, and he did a superb job.

However, Margareta would be a superb Queen. She looks so elegant, and I'd think that having Margareta would attract women's support (maybe). Conversely, does her son even speak much Romanian?

[Blog Real]

The monarchy will be restored soon in Romania?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

The monarchy will be restored soon in Romania?

Unless someone can look into the future, there's no answer to that question.

[LadyFinn]

Originally Posted by CSENYC

I don't see a problem with having a young monarch. King Michael himself was only in his 20s during most of his second reign, and he did a superb job.

However, Margareta would be a superb Queen. She looks so elegant, and I'd think that having Margareta would attract women's support (maybe). Conversely, does her son even speak much Romanian?

Prince Nicolae isn't the son of crown princess Margarita, he is the son of Princess Elena of Romania and Robin Medforth-Mills.

[Cory]

Prince Nicolae este becoming a very well prepared future Sovereign.

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by CSENYC

I don't see a problem with having a young monarch. King Michael himself was only in his 20s during most of his second reign, and he did a superb job.

On what basis do you judge him to have done a superb job? He began as a boy king under a regency, then was king under a Nazi supporting government which was succeeded by a Soviet backed government which dethroned Michael. Except for one brief shining moment when Michael managed to overthrow the Nazi backed government and before the Soviets took over Michaels role in Roumania seems to have been pretty insignificant.
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[CSENYC]

Originally Posted by NGalitzine

On what basis do you judge him to have done a superb job?...

3 instances:

First, he showed great courage:

(1) His coup, overthrowing Ion Antonescu, who was a very bad man. Plenty of other kings, particularly figureheads, would have just sat back and let others overthrow him.

(2) He did what he could to try to stop the Communists from taking over Romania, even when it was clear that the Communists would murder him if they wanted to (look at what they did in Bulgaria). He refused to sign laws that they passed.

Second, people love him:

(3) He's now one of the most popular leaders in Romania, and huge crowds turned out for him when he came to Romania in 1992. If he hadn't been an admirable leader, people wouldn't be so attached to him. How many people show up to see King Constantine or Jimmy Carter?

Third, he just showed that he is a fundamentally decent man (and when the King shows great decency, that just sets a standard of behavior for others to follow; when one of the few powers that a figurehead King has is the power of moral authority, this is important):

(4) In WWII, I see that he visited American prisoners in Romanian prisons and treated them with great kindness and even mocked Romania's Nazi occupiers. How many leaders would do that with prisoners of a country with which one's country is at war?

King Michael a truly wonderful man and any country would be very fortunate to have him as King. He's sure better than what we've got now in the US.

[USCtrojan]

Perhaps it is correct and the people to love the king! Perhaps they do respect margarita! Something I do not question at all.

It's not old news that Michael stood up to the communists and what not. Bashing someone for saying that he supports the monarchy and has hopes for a restoration is not cool.

He does not have to to Romania to see what things are like! That is what the Internet is for!

[CSENYC]

Thanks, USCTrojan. I've actually been to Romania, shortly after Communism fell. One reason that I'm such a fan of King Michael is because I've seen how rough things were there, and what devotion one must have to return there and try to help things.

I also think how much Romania and Romanians have suffered, and how much better things would have been if the Communist invasion, and his overthrow, hadn't happened.

I hope that in his old age, he gets some satisfaction from his rise in popularity and return of his property and stature.

[USCtrojan]

Originally Posted by CSENYC

Thanks, USCTrojan. I've actually been to Romania, shortly after Communism fell. One reason that I'm such a fan of King Michael is because I've seen how rough things were there, and what devotion one must have to return there and try to help things.

I feel the same way!

Thank you for sharing. I love to see more people on these boards who support the monarchy in Romania and Serbia as well. The Serbian royals (although HM Peter II was never able to return to beloved home) fall into the same boat!

Unfortunately they didn't have a choice and were chased from their homes... Stripped of everything -including their citizenship, and their belongings, and forced to cate lives elsewhere.

It's only now that these families are returning home -in the last twenty years, and all people can say are negative things about how horrible things still are in those nations as you are stating your support!

Like you, I am FULLY aware of the issues that still face the people in Eastern Europe (Romania and Serbia specifically in this case) following the fall of communism. It's not that hard, especially if you have visited or live there!

I have a lot of respect for an individual who fights for who he/she is and what they believe in and does not give in -HM is no exception, and neither was Peter II. Both are/were good men.

I am one who firmly believes that the return of a constitutional monarchy to either country would be good for both people and country!

Just my few cents!