Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by LadyRohan

They do very much come across that way, as cold and distant, to everyone who follows them closely, but that isn't the whole picture of who they are indeed. It is however how they appear, and that is an image they must work on, sans the aging. That one is natural for us all, but the added factor that has for the Custodian and Prince Radu, is that they are ageing without heirs. That's the unsustainable situation going forward.

Nobody had any less affection for the late King Baudoin and Queen Fabiola because they were childless, frankly, the knowledge of their struggle made them much more endearing. However, it wasn't a danger for the monarchy as an institution, so long as they was a clear line of succession and nothing to worry about.

That's the future for H.M the Custodian as well, my sense is that people feel affection towards her to a larger extent today, as her public profile is on the rise in Romania, but the question at the back of everyones mind when the question of the monarchy is raised, is: If you assume the throne, ma'am, what comes thereafter?

That's not my impression of them. I follow them closely and though I can't say I've any affection for Radu, Her Majesty has always come across as warm, affectionate, kind, sensitive, dutiful and loyal. All good qualities if you ask me.

You're totally right of course (and I've picked up on this in the other thread). Succession is a question that needs to be answered. But as I see it, people are determined to like Nicholas and dislike Margareta, whatever happens. She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Which is exactly the sort of thing King Michael and Queen Anne worked so hard to avoid.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by LadyRohan

[...] If you assume the throne, ma'am, what comes thereafter?

But effectively there is no throne to assume, isn't it?

And when someone is willing to follow the succession according the late King Michael, the question "what comes thereafter?" is relatively simple to answer: the five ladies.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

But effectively there is no throne to assume, isn't it?

And when someone is willing to follow the succession according the late King Michael, the question "what comes thereafter?" is relatively simple to answer: the five ladies.

As has been said about 700 times before, this is a question referring to the cause of returning the monarchy to Romania. It really shouldn’t need pointing out every time, that if that happens, a line of succession must be in place before the proposal is given to the public or voted over in parliament, and that until that happens, these are hypotheticals.

The answer is probably not ‘the fives ladies’, as the monarchy will probably not be based on female Saudi-Arabian principles of going for sister after sister after sister until they’re all deceased. The most likely proposal would include a downward lineage, one generation to the next and voila, we are back on the topic of this thread, Nicholas M-M.

[Denville]

Arent there any other grandchildren other than this young man?

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Denville

Arent there any other grandchildren other than this young man?

There are, but none have shown any interest in learning the language, engaging in the country and supporting the work the Royal Family has undertaken across the country, and none have been given a title, such as Nicholas did, when he was elevated to be a prince.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by LadyRohan

[...]

The answer is probably not ‘the fives ladies’, as the monarchy will probably not be based on female Saudi-Arabian principles of going for sister after sister after sister until they’re all deceased. [...]

Errrrmmm.... the UK had female successors as 1 and 2 (Elizabeth and Margaret), Danmark had female successors as 1, 2 and 3 (Margrethe, Benedikte and Anne-Marie), the Netherlands had female successors as 1, 2, 3 and 4 (Beatrix, Irene, Margriet and Christina).

The queue of (eventual) female successors in Romania really is not so Saudi-Arabian...

[Marengo]

It is if the three younger sisters of princess Helen will come before the children of princess Helen. When the princes of Wales and Orange were born they came before their aunts in the lines of succession.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Marengo

It is if the three younger sisters of princess Helen will come before the children of princess Helen. When the princes of Wales and Orange were born they came before their aunts in the lines of succession.

Of course, and when Elizabeth Medforth-Mills gets a daughter or a son, they will wriggle themselves in the queue.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Of course, and when Elizabeth Medforth-Mills gets a daughter or a son, they will wriggle themselves in the queue.

Elisabeta is her first name, but she has always gone by the second, Karina (or Karin).

[Cory]

On the evening of the 16th of December the King's Family, foreign guests and people close to the Family attended at 7.15 pm a Parastasis for the late King in one of the buildings of the Orthodox Bishopric House of Arges and Muscel. When Nicholas and Alina de Roumanie Medforth Mills wanted to attend too they were told they were not allowed in:


https://www.flux24.ro/printul-nicola...tasul-regelui/

[wyevale]

they were told they were not allowed in:

Unsurprisingly petty and unattractively embittered...

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by wyevale

Unsurprisingly petty and unattractively embittered...

"Sources of the Episcopate". That's the only reference to a source for this story.

[Cory]

Unfortunately it seems to be true and is really sad.

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by Cory

Unfortunately it seems to be true and is really sad.

Have you another source to confirm it? So far the only evidence that it happened is an unnamed source via a private television network that operates from the 5th floor of a Bucharest shopping centre with a website which doesn't display properly and recently included a story about China being granted EU membership. It's hardly concrete proof is it?

[LadyFinn]

"In the spirit of Carol and Ferdinand, restore Prince Nicholas' rights, so that he may become King Nicholas".
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b3&oe=5ABAC8BA

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by LadyFinn

"In the spirit of Carol and Ferdinand, restore Prince Nicholas' rights, so that he may become King Nicholas".
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b3&oe=5ABAC8BA

Do these individuals represent a particular organisation in Romania? A quick google search shows that one is a lawyer and one is a psychologist but with no letter head, is this just a letter to Margareta from a handful of private citizens or are they more prominent?

[Duc_et_Pair]

The letter is also strange. As if the words are cut out and glued on a piece of paper. No place, no date ("Bucharest, the 19th of December 2017), no address ("To the Custodian of the Crown, Elisabeta Palace Bucharest") no signatures, nothing.

Even the most clumsy agent of the Securitate would have delivered a better letter!

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Gaudete

Have you another source to confirm it? So far the only evidence that it happened is an unnamed source via a private television network that operates from the 5th floor of a Bucharest shopping centre with a website which doesn't display properly and recently included a story about China being granted EU membership. It's hardly concrete proof is it?

I spoke with people that were there at Curtea de Arges and unfortunately it seems to be true.

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by Cory

I spoke with people that were there at Curtea de Arges and unfortunately it seems to be true.

That's hardly proof. I could easily say that I've spoken to Margareta and she told me it wasn't. You have to able to back these claims you make with some kind of evidence that isn't apocryphal. I don't deny he wasn't there but the surrounding tale is fabrication until there's a better source.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Gaudete

That's hardly proof. I could easily say that I've spoken to Margareta and she told me it wasn't. You have to able to back these claims you make with some kind of evidence that isn't apocryphal. I don't deny he wasn't there but the surrounding tale is fabrication until there's a better source.

It is not only flux 24 that speaks about this sad event:

https://www.stiripesurse.ro/dezvaluiri-oc-despre-fostul-principe-nicolae-ar-fi-fost-alungat-de-la-parastasul-regelui-mihai-dupa-ce-nu-a-fost-lasat-sa-se-urce-in-trenul-regal_1238350.html

For some people no article would be enough anyhow when they refuse to see the sad truth.