Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[Cory]

The only one that is in agreement with the Laws of the Royal House diring the Monarchy: the Princes of Hohenzollern.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

What is the legitimist line of succession?

The legitimist (= according the law) succession is the one described in the Constitution of the Kingdom of Romania, which is the base of the kingship of King Michael himself. Until 30 December 2007 the succession as ruled by this Constitution was followed. On December 30th 2007 King Michael issued a new document: The Fundamental Rules of the Royal Family of Romania. In the prefix the King wrote: "By this document, all earlier statutes and all privileges, styles, titles, rank and rights of Dynasts or their descendants are revoked." With this he created a total new Royal House.

In the seventh lemma of Article 2 the King added his grandson to the Royal Family, gave him a royal title, and made him a successor:

Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, who shall assume the title, style and rank of Prince of Romania and Royal Highness (jure sanguinis) on 1 April 2010, upon his 25th anniversary, or immediately upon the demise of the current Head of the Royal House of Romania, whichever is sooner and at such a time shall enter the order of succession to the Headship of the Royal House of Romania, with full entitlement upon succeeding.

In the annex to the document the line of succession was added:

We, Michael I, By virtue of Our Sovereign authority as Head of the Royal House of Romania and in keeping with Our duty to History and to the heirs of Our Family, By Our own free will Decree and make the following decision public:

A. The Line of Succession to the Throne and to the Headship of the Royal House of Romania is hereby set out:

1. HRH Crown Princess Margareta of Romania, Custodian of the Crown of Romania
2. HRH The Princess Elena of Romania
3. Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills (who shall become HRH Prince Nicholas of Romania on April 1, 2010)
4. Elisabeta Karina de Roumanie Medforth-Mills
5. HRH The Princess Irina of Romania
6. Michael de Roumanie Kreuger
7. Angelica de Roumanie Kreuger
8. HRH The Princess Sophia of Romania
9. Elisabeta Maria Biarneix
10. HRH The Princess Maria of Romania

B. In recognition of Romania’s accession to the European Union and the obligations that underpin it, and in particular the European Convention on Human Rights, We hereby modify the principles and practice of Salic law, by exclusive male descent, which shall no longer be used in terms of determining the Succession to the Throne and to the Headship of the Royal House of Romania.

C. The Romanian Crown shall pass from the Head of the Royal House to the first male issue and, in absence of a male issue, to the subsequent female issue.

D. In the absence of direct descendants, the Crown shall be inherited by the eldest brother and,in the absence of one, by the eldest sister of the Head of the Royal House.

E. The place of the persons mentioned at paragraph D,if they are deceased,is occupied by their descendants, whereby male siblings shall take precedence.

F. The Line of Succession may be modified by the Head of the Royal House of Romania.

The line of succession to the throne shall be separated from the list of members of the Royal House of Romania,as evident in Article 1 of this Statute.

We Command Our heirs to obey this Annexe now and beyond Our death, as they represent Our final wish.
As such, We have signed the current Annexe,

Michael I,

Today, December 30, 2007, The Savarsin Castle, Romania

Some posters, like me, see this as an unilateral act with an unclear legal base. Moreover the red persons show that the King loves scrapping in his own line of succession: it is only nine years old and already 40% of the original successors have been removed.

It also shows that the King loves changing his mind. He created his own grandson a Prince of Romania, with the style of a Royal Highness and a successor. In the meantime this has already been revoked.

It also shows that the King is not consequent. He backs the changes in the Salic Law with a reference to the European Convention on Human Rights. But only half: male successors still have a preference above female successors, while the ECHR prohibits discrimination in gender.

It also shows that the King is not only dictatorial by life (as the examples above show) but also tries to be dictatorial beyond his life. He commands his Heirs "to obey this Annexe now and beyond Our death, as they represent Our final wish." He himself had no problem at all with changing rules to his very own pleasure...

What Michael did was -in essence- understandable (allowing his daughters to be successors) but the execution was poor.

[Cory]

The document of 2007 has a value for the family but has nothing to do with dynastic rights.

[tommy100]

Out of interest in regards to King Michael 'loving to change his mind', could it be argued after he dies that this was unfair or made during a period without clear mind? I mean it would surely be hard for Margareta to argue she saw no need for Nicholas to loose his rights only to later reinstate them?

[Cory]

That will be certainly the case for the supporters of the miguelist line.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

That will be certainly the case for the supporters of the miguelist line.

Michaelist.

The miguelist line is in the House of Portugal.

:-)

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Cory

The document of 2007 has a value for the family but has nothing to do with dynastic rights.

The Royal Family are the dynasts of Romania, so whatever point attempted made there, is moot.
The German Hohenzollern family, who were in line to inherit in the absence of any Romanian heirs, were removed from any function at the abolition of the monarchy, line of succession and constitution in 1947 and will never be restored, nor do they wish to be.

As long as there is a Royal Family in Romania, therein lies the only basis for a resurrected monarchy. Advocating anything else is a sure way of ensuring that the monarchy will never return.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cory

The document of 2007 has a value for the family but has nothing to do with dynastic rights.

That is very interesting because you wrote on 8 November 2011 in the thread "Succession to the Romanian Throne" the following:

The Succession to the Romanian Throne is very clear:

http://www.familiaregala.ro/uploads/...entalRules.pdf

It seems as though the Fundamental Rules are not only for the Royal Family and do indeed have to do with dynastic rights.

[Cory]

The King expressed a very clear wish for the changing of the Laws of the House in 2007 but that would remain a decision only for the Family. No Restoration of Monarchy happened and no Parliament in a restored Monarchy decided anything.

[Marengo]

There is no need to rehash the Romanian succession debate each and every time a news item about Nicholas Medforth Mills shows up.

Regard this post as a notification of future deletions of repetative posts.

[Dalriada]

I think the discussion that is highlighted in the recent press article shared by Benjamin regarding current thoughts on Nicholas Michael de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, only serves to highlight that the question mark will remain over this man's possible succession in the future. If the topic can't be discussed in this thread perhaps we need another thread on the question mark of Nicholas' future as mentioned in the press?

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Dalriada

I think the discussion that is highlighted in the recent press article shared by Benjamin regarding current thoughts on Nicholas Michael de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, only serves to highlight that the question mark will remain over this man's possible succession in the future. If the topic can't be discussed in this thread perhaps we need another thread on the question mark of Nicholas' future as mentioned in the press?

I'm fairly sure Marengos point wasn't to shut down any questions of Nicholas and the line of succession / place in the Royal Family, but that the constant digressions into what belongs in the 'line of succession to the Romanian throne' or 'restoration of the monarchy in Romania'-threads, should be avoided.
The interest caused with every news article referring to Nicholas M-M, clearly highlight that he is very much still at the center of interest, and by most with insight into the subject matter, seen as part of the future of the Royal House and monarchical cause in Romania.

It's also a matter for both this thread and most others in this section of the forums, that one should be able to link news or share updates without the constant rehashing of the same debate about the future of the monarchy. Although he is seen as an integral, future part of the Royal Family by most, those specific debatable points belong in other parts of the forums :)

[Dalriada]

Thank you LadyRohan for your own clarification on this matter. I think the recent public appearance of Nicholas M-M at the sorrowful but resplendent funeral of Queen Anne has stirred new interest and prompted a rethink of the direction of his future as expressed in that media article. The event itself might be seen as another turning point in this evolving story :)

[Al_bina]

Recently I read that Ms Nicoleta Carjan sold her story to Romanian tabloids. She viewed Mr Medforth-Mills' exclusion from the succession line as fair.
Will there be a conclusion to the fatherhood story?

[Duc_et_Pair]

I thought it has more or less become clear that Miss Carjan has not made any claim at all? She has not filed a request for Nicholas' paternity or something.

In that aspect I can reveal that I am the product of a romantic liaison of my mother Madonna with my father Bryan Adams. No. I will not file for maternity or paternity. But it is true: I am a Ciccione and an Adams. Yeah!

;-)

[Al_bina]

I guess she will capitalise on her story for many years or until she or the girl in question files a paternity test. The royal family will not do anything to disprove her.

[melina premiere]

Did you read the article? did this woman tell to the tabloid that her daughter is the child of Nicholas Medforth Mills?

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by melina premiere

Did you read the article? did this woman tell to the tabloid that her daughter is the child of Nicholas Medforth Mills?

Here is the link to the article. I read a simplified Google translation.

De ce a fost dat afara Principele Nicolae din Casa Regală | Click mobile

[Benjamin]

It seems as though Nicoleta Cîrjan has not cooperated with tabloids openly. However, she still has her blog, which is publicly accessible. In addition, her social media accounts are not so private.

During the time of the funeral of Queen Anne, there were a few write-ups in certain quarters of the press about Nicoleta and Iris Anna.

These appear to have been initiated by a Facebook post that Ms Cîrjan made referencing her daughter turning six months old.

Uite cum arată fiica fostului Principe Nicolae | OK Magazine
Cum arat? fiica fostului Principe Nicolae

[Blog Real]

Why the Royal family does not accept the daughters of Nicholas?