Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

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This event took place only a few days before the King issued his statement. Margharita, it has stated before, knew at the time while N. seemed to be completely clueless.
Vara, la Săvârșin | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania

I don´t believe a second N. wanted to "retire" himself because he learned that everything was too much or something!
I don´t want to put too much into this but the CPss looks everything but at ease...: http://www.romaniaregala.ro/wp-conte...32-940x626.jpg

Interesting, I do not see a tense Margareta at all but a nice relaxed family. I feel you are now looking to the pictures and started to hineininterpretieren

[wartenberg7]

Well, then he must have been a great actor. I saw a lot of Royals, even those born to their role, very uncomfortable and tensed at public engagements while N. always gave the impression of being totally relaxed and enjoying himself.

[wartenberg7]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Interesting, I do not see a tense Margareta at all but a nice relaxed family. I feel you are now looking to the pictures and started to hineininterpretieren

Yes, may be you´re right. But this stunns me even more! They´re pretending like everything was just fine! But "nice and relaxed" are neither Radu nor Margharita.
I must admit I look at this pics with different eyes than before.

I wouldn´t put so much into it if N. retired from his royal duties while keeping his titles. But creating a GRANDSON a royal prince and with a HRH and stripping him 5 years later all of that again is more than, let´s put it mildly, "strange"....

[Duc_et_Pair]

I will never forget the most enchanting and romantic photoshoot ever, that of Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandra of Denmark. The pictures were barely released and melted the audience: the couple announced their separation...

Morale of the story: photo's are always framing. We do it every day. When we place pictures on Facebook or Instagram, most likely we will have thought about what we want to show or communicate...

Since the Love Story photoshoot by Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandra, I have learned not to read to deep into pictures...

[rominet09]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I will never forget the most enchanting and romantic photoshoot ever, that of Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandra of Denmark. The pictures were barely released and melted the audience: the couple announced their separation...

Morale of the story: photo's are always framing. We do it every day. When we place pictures on Facebook or Instagram, most likely we will have thought about what we want to show or communicate...

Since the Love Story photoshoot by Prince Joachim and Princess Alexandra, I have learned not to read to deep into pictures...

So very true !!!!

[tommy100]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The statement by Nicholas Medforth-Mills learns that the life he wants to pursue and the limitations which his position in the House of Romania brought were conflicting.

It is really not hard to imagine a Swiss-born British gentleman trying to find his way in a country he initially knew nothing about, of which he has to learn the language, the society, the history, the character and where he has to find a destiny and a living. It is very well imagineable that, after ample considerations and thinking, sleepless nights even, he told his grandfather that he saw no future for himself in Romania and that he had no real profound belief in "the Romanian Project" and no longer wished to fool himself and the family.

I would say: stop thinking about plots or wrongdoings. Most likely Nicholas was honest and told his family he no longer felt the commitment, the zest and the convince to fight for Romania and for the Romanian Royal House since he first and foremost feels more British or Swiss than Romanian. I think that is a honourable and honest position.

If that was the situation, then the former King and his family were faced with a problem too. How to communicate that a future Chef himself does not believe in a future for the House of Romania? Therefore the misty circumstances. ...

This is what I would like to thing happened, that Nicholas thought his new role wasn't for him and that he would rather go out, work in a more normal 'job' and make his own life. However, if that is the case why release a statement talking about the need for 'modesty and moral principles' which, intentionally or not, made it sound as if they were suggesting Nicholas didn't have those?

If it was simply that Nicholas wanted to do more of a normal job why not just say so. And indeed why is that a problem, many Royals in Europe these days work 'normal jobs' never mind those in deposed royal families.

[Admiral Horthy]

Originally Posted by tommy100

This is what I would like to thing happened, that Nicholas thought his new role wasn't for him and that he would rather go out, work in a more normal 'job' and make his own life. However, if that is the case why release a statement talking about the need for 'modesty and moral principles' which, intentionally or not, made it sound as if they were suggesting Nicholas didn't have those?

If it was simply that Nicholas wanted to do more of a normal job why not just say so. And indeed why is that a problem, many Royals in Europe these days work 'normal jobs' never mind those in deposed royal families.

Working a normal job, keeping his title and place in the succession would have been fine. He could have returned to Romania periodically for important holidays and occasional charity work. Certainly Nicolas having a job with an NGO or EU organization could be spun to say that it was giving him international relations experience and a better ability to work with people throughout Europe and even the world.

[Duc_et_Pair]

I agree. I have given the examples of Prince Friso, Prince Constantijn, Prince Maurits, Prince Bernhard jr. and other members of the Dutch royal family, being members of the Royal House, being in line of succession and all of them pursuing an own career or even start companies themselves. "Waiting On A Throne" usually is no fruitful activity to fill the days of one's life with...

[tommy100]

I can think of the following:
Prince William, Duke of Cambridge - RAF Pilot, Air Ambulance Pilot
Prince Harry of Wales - member of the Army
Princess Anne, Princess Royal - Professional equestrian
Prince Friso - worked in business and finance
Prince Constantijn - worked for the EU
Princess Eugenie - working in auction houses

Most members of deposed Royal Families have normal day jobs, probably because they don't exactly have lodes of public duties to perform.
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece - works in finance
Crown Princess Marie Chantal - has her own children's fashion line
Prince Kyrill of Bulgaria - works in banking / finance
Hereditary Prince Peter of Yugoslavia- works in graphic design/computers
Prince Philip of Yugoslavia - works in finance
Prince Alexander of yugoslavia - works in internet publishing

Furthermore very few of those listed actually live in the country they are 'royals' to. This just makes me feel that King Michael is placing too much pressure and expectations on Nicholas.

[LadyFinn]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The statement by Nicholas Medforth-Mills learns that the life he wants to pursue and the limitations which his position in the House of Romania brought were conflicting.

It is really not hard to imagine a Swiss-born British gentleman trying to find his way in a country he initially knew nothing about, of which he has to learn the language, the society, the history, the character and where he has to find a destiny and a living. It is very well imagineable that, after ample considerations and thinking, sleepless nights even, he told his grandfather that he saw no future for himself in Romania and that he had no real profound belief in "the Romanian Project" and no longer wished to fool himself and the family.

I would say: stop thinking about plots or wrongdoings. Most likely Nicholas was honest and told his family he no longer felt the commitment, the zest and the convince to fight for Romania and for the Romanian Royal House since he first and foremost feels more British or Swiss than Romanian. I think that is a honourable and honest position.

If that was the situation, then the former King and his family were faced with a problem too. How to communicate that a future Chef himself does not believe in a future for the House of Romania? Therefore the misty circumstances. ...

I don't believe at all that Nicholas wanted to give up his title and work as a member of the royal family. The royal family's advisor Ioan-Luca Vlad said that he didn't request for it, but agreed to it. If Nicholas would have requested that the title as a prince would have taken away from him, the Royal Court should have published both king Michael's and Nicholas's statements on the same day. And king Michael would have written: This is a sad day for me and the royal family, but I have accepted prince Nicolae's request to take away his title as the HRH prince Nicolae of Romania and taken him also out of the succession line to the Romanian throne. Prince Nicolae wants to continue his life as a private citizen and I have accepted that...

But king Michael wrote at his statement: "His Majesty has stated that the Royal Family and Romanian society of those times to come will need guidance that rests under the sign of well-tempered modesty, moral principles, respect and constant thought for others. Preserving the same affection for his grandson, King Michael hopes that Nicholas will in the years to come find an appropriate way of serving his ideals and making use of the qualities with which God has endowed him."
King Michael clearly hints that Nicholas lacked modesty, moral principles and respect. And that perhaps Nicholas wasn't serving his ideals in an appropriate way as a prince. Would the king have been so stupid that he would have written like that if Nicholas would himself wanted to give up his title? I don't believe that, or then the king is a very bad king and not at all loving grandfather.
And because Nicholas's statement was published a day after the king's statement, it looks odd and the statement itself gives the impression that someone wrote it and Nicholas agreed to sign it.

And it is totally useless for us to speculate that Nicholas could have kept his work outside the Royal Family, because the family's advisor Ioan-Luca Vlad said, that a member of the royal family can't do that. King Michael has decided that it is like that and that's it.

[Duc_et_Pair]

I can imagine, from the viewpoint of a Head of a royal dynasty, from the viewpoint of noblesse oblige, that not believing in "Project Romania", not feeling the zest and the commitment for it, then the words "well-tempered modesty, moral principles, respect and constant thought for others" maybe should be read as;

"Feel humble, adhere to (and respect) the principles of the Royal House of Romania and keep in mind what your actions mean for others" (read: the King and the royal family).

When Nicholas maybe would have said "No thank you, I feel I am not committed enough to fly the banner for Romania, I want to be in charge of my own life" it is received as "You arrogant brat, you selfish idiot, do you have any idea what damage you are doing now?"

No one knows. Any guess is as good as it is.

[maria-olivia]

Duc, how do you have time to write such a lot long threads for a hopeless Situation ?

[Duc_et_Pair]

I can write long threads about the dresses worn by Crown Princess Mette-Marit or the baby-clothes of Princess Charlotte as well, but this is far more interesting.

[eya]

Originally Posted by tommy100

Most members of deposed Royal Families have normal day jobs, probably because they don't exactly have lodes of public duties to perform.
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece - works in finance
Crown Princess Marie Chantal - has her own children's fashion line
Prince Kyrill of Bulgaria - works in banking / finance
Hereditary Prince Peter of Yugoslavia- works in graphic design/computers
Prince Philip of Yugoslavia - works in finance
Prince Alexander of yugoslavia - works in internet publishing

Furthermore very few of those listed actually live in the country they are 'royals' to. This just makes me feel that King Michael is placing too much pressure and expectations on Nicholas.

Of course all these former royals have regular jobs. What else could do; The throne bit slow for them yet

Nicolae father Robin Medforth-Mills was not rich?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Dr Robin Leslie Medforth-Mills worked as professor in geography at Durham University. He did some humanitarian work for the UN as well. Those are nicely paid functions. He lived at Flass Hall near Esh Winning (Durham) where his children also lived. See picture. The estimate for that house in that village is appr. 285.000 GBP, so if it was free of mortgage, Dr Medforth Mills had some property indeed.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Dr Robin Leslie Medforth-Mills worked as professor in geography at Durham University. He did some humanitarian work for the UN as well. Those are nicely paid functions. He still lives at Flass Hall near Esh Winning (Durham) where his children also lived. See picture. The estimate for that house in that village is appr. 285.000 GBP, so if it is free of mortgage, Dr Medforth Mills has some property indeed.

I've always had the impression that the Medforth-Mills are gentry so he's not just anybody.


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[eya]

I think he is died. No?

[HereditaryPrincess]

As far as I'm aware, Robin Medforth-Mills is still alive.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by JR76

I've always had the impression that the Medforth-Mills are gentry so he's not just anybody.


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No idea, if he was gentry. His father Cyril Mills married his mother Nora Medforth and somehow Robin got the surname Medforth-Mills.

The meaning of "gentry" seems to be: "A traditional British social class consisting of gentlemen in the original sense; that is, those who owned land in the form of country estates to such an extent that they were not required to actively work, except in an administrative capacity on their own lands. The estates were often (but not always) made up of tenanted farms, in which case the gentleman could live entirely off rent income."

Here are five Mills in the Landed Gentry but if these are indeed Robin Mills' ancestors?

https://books.google.nl/books?id=psg...sterne&f=false

Originally Posted by eya

I think he is died. No?

Yes, I learned Nicholas' father died in 2002. Too bad for Nicholas and Elizabeth...

Leslie Robin Medforth-Mills

Birthdate: December 8, 1942
Birthplace: Sproatley, Holderness, Yorkshire, Britain (UK)
Death: Died February 2, 2002 in Geneva, Switzerland

Place of Burial:
Geneva, Switzerland

Immediate Family:

Son of Cyril Mills and Nora Mills
Ex-husband of <private> Mc Ateer (Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen)
Father of <private> Medforth-Mills and <private> Medforth-Mills
Brother of Donald I. Mills

Occupation: professor, UN official, Doctor

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by JR76

I've always had the impression that the Medforth-Mills are gentry so he's not just anybody.


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They are indeed.

Dr Medforth-Mills collaborated with the UN for many years.

He and Princess Helen had opened a school in Sudan during their time there.