Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[Duc_et_Pair]

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Originally Posted by Ish

Thank you, Marlene.

I could speculate on what the behaviour is, and I have. I have theories, but I think at this point the discussion is getting a tad out of hand as it is and without anything solid from the family I don't see the point.

That said, you know this family better than any of us. Which means to me that if you're saying the King had a valid reason for doing this and is supported by the family in his actions then I see no reason why we shouldn't accept that the King is justified here. I don't know why he's made this decision, but I know yours is an opinion to trust (particularly in contrast to some of the more reactionary and unreasonable comments that are being thrown around).

I'm saddened to hear this because Nicholas always seemed like he was dedicated to Romania and doing a good job. But I have no doubt that the King is also dedicated and I trust his decision here.

The problem is the completely arbitrary and unilateral handling of all this. No any proper Decree with reference to articles in the so-called fundamental laws of the House. No proper and transparent decision on the style, form of address, surname and precedence of the eldest grandson. Nothing. I see no decree, no date, no signature, no seal, nothing. Nothing which indicates the status of the document and the authorithy on which the decision rests.

The same total lack of transparent decrees and proper procedures happened when Nicholas and Elisabeth Medforth-Mills were suddenly renamed in De Roumanie Medforth-Mills. Later only Nicholas, and not his sister with equal birthright, became HRH Prince of Romania. Again without clear procedure and a proper Decree.

The same happened when Princess Sofia was removed, including her daughter. And then returned into the line of succession. The same with Princess Irina and her children. A change on a website... That was it.

I am a monarchist. But this sort of ad-hoc decisionmaking surrounded by clouds of mystery and with a strong smell of arbitrary decisions to the whim of the day really is the best advert for a republic. At least a president can be held accountable and is bound by constitution and law...

[Cory]

I do not really know what to believe anymore. Some speak of a quarrel of young Nicholas with his aunt's husband :

http://www.flux24.ro/misterele-reuni...radu-si-nicol/

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

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The problem is the completely arbitrary and unilateral handling of all this. No any proper Decree with reference to articles in the so-called fundamental laws of the House. No proper and transparent decision on the style, form of address, surname and precedence of the eldest grandson. Nothing. I see no decree, no date, no signature, no seal, nothing. Nothing which indicates the status of the document and the authorithy on which the decision rests.

A royal decree was issued--but, as you mention, it does not reference the 2007 house law.

The signature of His Majesty does not look to be as bold and firm as in the past.

I feel this is symbolic of how influential (or not) the King was in this move.

See the document here: http://familiaregala.ro/assets/image...egal_12015.jpg

[Admiral Horthy]

Originally Posted by Cory

I do not really know what to believe anymore. Some speak of a quarrel of young Nicholas with his aunt's husband :

Cum a ajuns un fost lider al studentilor comunisti membru in Consiliul Familiei Regale? / SURSE: Cearta violenta intre Principii Radu si Nicolae

If, in fact, are argument with Radu lead to the demotion and exile of Nicholas my respect for the Crown Princess, who I thought showed great poise, dignity and the ability to be Queen one day, has been greatly diminished. If Radu convinced the King that Nicholas was too "modern" or "close to the people" and Margarita did not put her foot down and defend him, what does this say about her?

This whole business is disturbing.

[Benjamin]

The Crown Princess was visiting her parents when the decision was taken.

However, one will notice that she does not appear to have been physically present at the meeting of this Royal Council with the King.

For a long time, some people have surmised that perhaps the members of the Royal Family are not quite able to act as they might otherwise were the son-in-law of His Majesty not part of the equation. Who knows how much weight this theory carries in reality. Yet, it is hard not to wonder how things within the Royal House will transpire once Radu expires.

[Admiral Horthy]

Reading Nicolas' Facebook page and reading just a couple of dozen or so comments it seems that most people do not support his exile, are not happy with the King and have lost respect for him, and abhor Radu Dadu as an interloper and villian. I even saw a rude comment about the CP.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Well, Fb... And the people with Nicholas as 'Friend' naturally will act with disappointment and disbelief. The best thermometer is the common Romanian in the street and most likely they could not care less....

[LadyFinn]

Who betrayed whom?
Rather hard words in this article too.
Cine pe cine a trădat_ Cum a ajuns monarhia o butaforie. Și de ce ne pasă_ _ Romania Libera
Translation

Historian Diana Mandache
A hot wire, charitable, structured, a good man, intelligent, lovely involved in supporting projects in Romania - books for children, cycling, ecology, he managed to win the hearts of many Romanian.
He managed to learn the Romanian language pretty well in a short time and nothing can convince me to change my opinion I had that this man could do many wonderful things in Romania from the position that he has.
Nicolae Mihai Medforth Mills sau Principele Nicolae _ Diana Mandache _ adevarul.ro
Translation

Historian Manuel Stănescu:
"Nicolae was popular because hewas a young man, a man with a fresh soul in a Royal House which has a certain past. I think there are some things that we don't know, but I am convinced that this gesture of King Michael is deep enough".
"Royal House needs another frontman. I don't see who could replace the image of Nicolae. He was a picture for the future. Princess Margarita has a pretty good image, but does not represent the future. The Royal House has passed, thank goodness, a certain date, with ups and downs, but it desperately needs a future perspective. The Prince was a prospect. Princess Margarita is not seen now as a perspective or in terms of the ability to bring sympathy to the Royal Family. Here we are talking about generations to come, because they were heading towards Prince Nicolae. All the discussion reaches to a point: will Romania ever been able to return to monarchy? Do the Romanians want that?" According to Stănescu, the decision taken by King Michael in respect to his nephew seems hasty at this point. "History will tell us if it was or wasn't," he adds.
Istoria succesiunilor din Casa Regală a României. MAREA PROBLEMĂ pe care Regele Mihai trebuie s-o rezolve după excluderea Principelui Nicolae
Translation

[Curryong]

Stories have been emerging on the Internet in the last couple of days that a certain gay club based in Geneva might have something to do with the King's decision. I can't read Rumanian but the gist given in the link seemed pretty plain.

There's supposedly a video about to do the rounds.

[Ceallach]

Marlene said he wasn't gay, nor was it about a girl or gambling. Because they left it so vague, there are a lot of rumours.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Nicholas has had an Irish girlfriend and was seeing a Romanian lady after her. So being gay is probably wishful thinking by some persons attracted to Nicholas' good looks, I assume.

[Charlotte_Aster]

Btw, shouldn't we change the name of this thread?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Charlotte_Aster

Btw, shouldn't we change the name of this thread?

Even this is unclear:

Is it a return to his original name Nicholas Medforth-Mills or is it a return to his changed name Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, since the dude in question apparently saw no future for him in Romania?

[RoyalInsider]

I know Nick very well. I have stayed with him in Romania, in his modest flat in the city centre. And he has stayed with me as well, in my home. Firstly, HE IS NOT GAY. Without revealing what has brought about this despicable action, it was no more than a silly lark that was pounced upon by certain people with an agenda. What this was will never be known outside a few people with very tight lips, and it is far from a great scandal. To be honest this would appear to have backfired as he is immensely popular in Romania. He has worked hard to carve himself a worthwhile niche and would have been an invaluable asset to the future of the royal family. He will find his future in private life and do well, as he is a personable and charming man, with great potential. I hope you all wish him well.

[maria-olivia]

First time that the Roumanian Monarchists critics their King who is at the end of his life.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

First time that the Roumanian Monarchists critics their King who is at the end of his life.

No, it is not the first time. When King Michael removed the Hohenzollerns from the royal succession and created a new Royal House, this was met with fierce criticism as well. When King Michael cut off the links with the House of Hohenzollern and removed the title Prince (Princess) of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen from himself and his five daughters, all direct Hohenzollern-agnates, this was met with criticism by monarchists as well.

[maria-olivia]

I mean now .. A Prince of Roumania who lost his Predicate HRH and tittle of Prince.

Will we ever see King Michael in public in Roumania again ??

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

No, it is not the first time. When King Michael removed the Hohenzollerns from the royal succession and created a new Royal House, this was met with fierce criticism as well. When King Michael cut off the links with the House of Hohenzollern and removed the title Prince (Princess) of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen from himself and his five daughters, all direct Hohenzollern-agnates, this was met with criticism by monarchists as well.

Was not Paul Lambrino really the only person who was upset by that?

I cannot recall seeing much in the Romanian media against the action.

Not even the Furst von Hohenzollern issued a statement.

[LadyFinn]

A small romanian party has acted
The National Christian Democrat Peasant Party (PNTCD) on Thursday initiated an online petition asking King Mihai I to reconsider his decision to strip his grandson Nicolae the “price” title and to remove him from the line of succession.
Romanian Peasant Party initiates petition asking King Mihai to reconsider decision on grandson Nicolae _ The Romania Journal

[eya]

Originally Posted by LadyFinn

A small romanian party has acted
The National Christian Democrat Peasant Party (PNTCD) on Thursday initiated an online petition asking King Mihai I to reconsider his decision to strip his grandson Nicolae the “price” title and to remove him from the line of succession.
Romanian Peasant Party initiates petition asking King Mihai to reconsider decision on grandson Nicolae _ The Romania Journal

It is natural to have reactions (even small). Nicolae managed in a short time become likeable to the people (in some at least) of Romania.
A general statement without any particular reason (living anyone to say everything want) is naturally not enough for some people.