Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[Ish]

I do think Margarita and Nicholas have done a lot to help their images in Romania, and as such I don't think it's likely that another contender could usurp them.

However, never say never. If I remember correctly, the major monarchist group in Romania wanted Michael to name a male German as the heir, then were willing to accept him naming Nicholas, but weren't happy when he chose to name Margarita. I think a lot of the support and recognition for a non-reigning family comes from its country's monarchist group(s), and if someone else with a good claim chose to put their name forward and the monarchists chose to recognize them instead of Margarita.... I don't think it would be good for the movement in Romania, but I could see it happening.

I doubt a German royal has much chance of usurping Margarita or Nicholas, but I could almost see Paul or his children doing it. We might not take him serious, but he and his after have been able to gain recognition in the courts. There have been a number of cases in Lisborn, France, the UK, and Romania about recognizing Carol as the son of Carol II, and acknowledging whether or not he has succession rights - and the first three clearly did so. The Romanian one recognized Carol as the son of Carol II but was unclear on what that meant about succession rights. While Paul claims to be pro republic now, his tune may change when Michael dies, and who knows whether or not the monarchists will like him as heir more than Margarita or Nicholas.

It remains to be seen whether or not Michael made a mistake in deciding to go against the wishes of the monarchists when he named Margarita his heir. I hope he didn't, because I think she is good for Romania, but who knows what the Romanian monarchists think.

[LadyFinn]

Prince Nicolae is on an official visit in Düsseldorf, Germany on 15th-17th September. He attends at the series of events commemorating the centenary of the death of King Carol I.
Principele Nicolae, vizită oficială în Germania, 15-17 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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"Prince Nicolae of Romania made ​​no fuss about his person when he was received yesterday together with a large Romanian delegation at City Hall".
Delegation Ein echter Prinz aus Rumänien zu Gast in Düsseldorf
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[LadyFinn]

Prince Nicolae was in London on 22-24 September at the regional conference EMAS (Europe, Mediterranean and Arab States) of the "The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award".
Principele Nicolae, la Conferința Regională a programului „The Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award”, Londra, 22-24 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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[Jacknch]

Thanks LadyFinn for the recent updates on Prince Nicolae's latest engagements.

Out of interest, do you or anyone else know how tall Nicolae is?

[LadyFinn]

Originally Posted by Jacknch

Thanks LadyFinn for the recent updates on Prince Nicolae's latest engagements.

Out of interest, do you or anyone else know how tall Nicolae is?

No, but he seems to be a little shorter than the Earl of Wessex. So if someone knows how tall the Earl is, that would help.

[CyrilVladisla]

Originally Posted by LadyFinn

Prince Nicolae was in London on 22-24 September at the regional conference EMAS (Europe, Mediterranean and Arab States) of the "The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award".
Principele Nicolae, la Conferința Regională a programului „The Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award”, Londra, 22-24 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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I like the fact that "The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award" aims to help young people skills needed for independent living, giving them the chance to excel and be recognized internationally for their merits.

[LadyFinn]

Prince Nicolae attended a Horse Show on 27th September. At the ceremony was announce his patronage for the Show.
Principele Nicolae a acordat Înaltul Patronaj Salonului Calului Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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[Duc_et_Pair]

The young Prince really turns out to be an asset for the monarchy. Hopefully he will find a royal or noble partner, to strenghten his royal ties, which are of course relatively weak (being a Medforth).

[wartenberg7]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The young Prince really turns out to be an asset for the monarchy. Hopefully he will find a royal or noble partner, to strenghten his royal ties, which are of course relatively weak (being a Medforth).

Yes, Duc, we all know this is your only concern... I hope he´ll find a suitable partner no matter what social background, royal, aristocrat or commoner, he loves and wants to spend the rest of his life with!
How can one still in the year of 2014 seriously be more snobbish than long reigning, respectable monarchs?!?

[Ish]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

Yes, Duc, we all know this is your only concern... I hope he´ll find a suitable partner no matter what social background, royal, aristocrat or commoner, he loves and wants to spend the rest of his life with!
How can one still in the year of 2014 seriously be more snobbish than long reigning, respectable monarchs?!?

I wouldn't say it's snobbish. It's something that's necessitated by the old house and succession rules.

Reigning families have the ability to modernize and update their marriage and succession rules through legislation. They aren't being challenged by others who want to put forth their own claim to being the head of the house.

Non reigning houses typically don't have this advantage. In as much as the head of house can decree some change it's really up to the rest of the house to decide whether or not they recognize it, particularly after that head dies. Some houses are stuck in the past because they don't have the means to move forward.

I actually don't think that applies to Nicholas though. If he's recognized as the head of the house then already the old rules will have been thrown out the window - his parents don't have an equal marriage and he's inheriting through a female line. His claim won't strengthen in any way through him entering into an equal marriage. His situation isn't comparable to, say, Georgi of Russia, since Georgi's claim in the first place is based on the idea that the marriages others have entered into disqualified them and their children from inheriting. His position would be weakened by entering into an unequal marriage, but Nicholas' wouldn't.

[wartenberg7]

To me it´s snobism at its purest to claim that a person can only take a higher position in society because of a royal/ noble background while others don´t! Even the word "unequal" occurs so outdated to me, like something from another period of history, it almost hurts! We´re not living before WW 1 anymore!

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

To me it´s snobism at its purest to claim that a person can only take a higher position in society because of a royal/ noble background while others don´t! Even the word "unequal" occurs so outdated to me, like something from another period of history, it almost hurts! We´re not living before WW 1 anymore!

If you want equalness, you best opt for a republic, that is obvious.

[Jacknch]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

To me it´s snobism at its purest to claim that a person can only take a higher position in society because of a royal/ noble background while others don´t! Even the word "unequal" occurs so outdated to me, like something from another period of history, it almost hurts! We´re not living before WW 1 anymore!

Well, snobbism is alive and well in all section of society, always has been and always will be. In a communist country like China, everyone is apparently equal unless you are part of the government! Many traveller/gypsy groups are dreadfully snobbish when it comes to who they should marry.
In many religious groups if you marry the wrong person, you will be banished or shunned. The Indian caste system is a form of snobbery.
Many ordinary folk won't go on public transport if they have a car, they prefer to use that. I prefer first class travel on the train than standard class - snobbery!
Indeed, we are not living before WWI, but unequal is certainly not outdated and is found in every town and city around the world. The rules for royal marriage in Romania are trivial compared to real snobbery affecting millions!

[JR76]

Snobbery and House laws aside what do you think prince Nicholas would benefit the most from in the eyes of the Romanian public at the event of a restoration? Would it be to marry a (Romanian or foreign) commoner, a Romanian noble or a foreign royal?


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[wartenberg7]

Well, I didn´t mean "equality" in a communistic sense, but as a mark of a humane society where everybody is valued for what he/ she is, not who!
And yes, Duc et Pair, you CAN be a monarchist and still believe in the ideal of equality!
In my understanding the Royals are cherished and respected for their tireless work for their country, their unifying symbolism to represent the nation and so on, but not for what they have in their veins (well, blood, like the rest of us...) and for who their great grandfather happend to be!

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

Well, I didn´t mean "equality" in a communistic sense, but as a mark of a humane society where everybody is valued for what he/ she is, not who!
And yes, Duc et Pair, you CAN be a monarchist and still believe in the ideal of equality!
In my understanding the Royals are cherished and respected for their tireless work for their country, their unifying symbolism to represent the nation and so on, but not for what they have in their veins (well, blood, like the rest of us...) and for who their great grandfather happend to be!

In my humble and personal view: when you want a monarchical system, where the head of state is "delivered" by hereditary succession, with all traditions and trappings around, you need to stick to the rules. It is exactly the unequality, caused to the special positions of royal and noble families, which make them fascinating and interesting. Du moment that it does not matter at all who you are, an unwed momma (Norway), a sportschool owner (Sweden) or the daughter of a "wrong" personage (Máxima) then this is the best plea to scrap it all and choose the person we like, based on objective merits.

I am a monarchist but I hope that royal and noble families do maintain traditions and keep a high standard indeed. I am not an arch-traditionalist plediging for full Ebenbürtigkeit but please, can we expect some standing? Partners as Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz, Beatrice Borromeo, Stéphanie de Lannoy, Sophie von Isenburg, Paola Doimi de Lupis de Frankopan, Alfonso Pallavicini, Rodolphe van Limburg-Stirum, Diana de Cadaval, etc. are examples of partners whom still keep some "specialness" to royalty and nobility, have clear links with history and are also all spotless partners with great and friendly attitudes to the public.

[Ish]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

In my humble and personal view: when you want a monarchical system, where the head of state is "delivered" by hereditary succession, with all traditions and trappings around, you need to stick to the rules. It is exactly the unequality, caused to the special positions of royal and noble families, which make them fascinating and interesting. Du moment that it does not matter at all who you are, an unwed momma (Norway), a sportschool owner (Sweden) or the daughter of a "wrong" personage (Máxima) then this is the best plea to scrap it all and choose the person we like, based on objective merits.

I am a monarchist but I hope that royal and noble families do maintain traditions and keep a high standard indeed. I am not an arch-traditionalist plediging for full Ebenbürtigkeit but please, can we expect some standing? Partners as Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz, Beatrice Borromeo, Stéphanie de Lannoy, Sophie von Isenburg, Paola Doimi de Lupis de Frankopan, Alfonso Pallavicini, Rodolphe van Limburg-Stirum, Diana de Cadaval, etc. are examples of partners whom still keep some "specialness" to royalty and nobility, have clear links with history and are also all spotless partners with great and friendly attitudes to the public.

Paola Doimi de Lupis de Frankopan did not marry a royal. Beatrice Borromeo is in a relationship with a man who is also not a royal.

There are a good many royal consorts who come from royal or noble backgrounds and are great partners. There are also a number of royal consorts who do not come from such backgrounds and are also great partners.

[Jacknch]

Originally Posted by JR76

Snobbery and House laws aside what do you think prince Nicholas would benefit the most from in the eyes of the Romanian public at the event of a restoration? Would it be to marry a (Romanian or foreign) commoner, a Romanian noble or a foreign royal?


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I don't know much about the people of Romania, so it is a difficult question to answer. Do any of our Romanian friends have any thoughts?

The problem Nicolae will have if the laws/rules relating to whom he can marry are not changed, will be finding someone suitable. It is a difficult enough job for a British prince to find a suitable wife and there are no restrictions here!
I suspect a restoration will precipitate an overhaul of the House rules, or the people will have to take the risk of going through the trouble of restoring the monarchy only to have it become extinct on account of there being no heirs again.

[Ish]

Originally Posted by JR76

Snobbery and House laws aside what do you think prince Nicholas would benefit the most from in the eyes of the Romanian public at the event of a restoration? Would it be to marry a (Romanian or foreign) commoner, a Romanian noble or a foreign royal?


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Nicholas' position isn't going to be strengthened or weakened by his marriage unless he marries someone who is completely unacceptable to the Romanians. If he marries someone who is as dedicated to Romania as he is, it isn't likely to matter what her background is (provided that it's a relatively scandal free one).

[Ish]

Originally Posted by Jacknch

I don't know much about the people of Romania, so it is a difficult question to answer. Do any of our Romanian friends have any thoughts?

The problem Nicolae will have if the laws/rules relating to whom he can marry are not changed, will be finding someone suitable. It is a difficult enough job for a British prince to find a suitable wife and there are no restrictions here!
I suspect a restoration will precipitate an overhaul of the House rules, or the people will have to take the risk of going through the trouble of restoring the monarchy only to have it become extinct on account of there being no heirs again.

None of Michael's children married in accordance to the old house rules. Nicholas himself is the son of a "commoner." None of Michael's children or grandchildren are entitled to inherit under the old house rules either, yet Michael has decided that the Romanian House will be inherited by them. These rules have changed in this family.