Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills: Discussion, Succession, Paternity Claims


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Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is important not to be seen as a " continuity" of his aunt because she is considered as not working for the restoration of Monarchy.
 
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maria-olivia said:
How many are the real ones ? 5 % of the Romanians ??
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Around 30% of the population are in favour of Monarchy. Those really involved in the royalists Associations are less.
 
Cory said:
Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is important not to be seen as a " continuity" of his aunt because she is considered as not working for the restoration of Monarchy.
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I find this pretty insulting for a lady who, as no one else in the royal family, has put all her zest in giving a meaningful role for the former royal family.

30% monarchist means 70% no monarchists. Princess Margareta knows her statistics and understands reality. It is not so difficult: there is NO majority and NO zest to topple the democracy for a hereditary monarchy. Simple enough.

What if Princess Margareta decides to create her nephew Nicholas Prince of Romania again and makes a successor again? Will you then come here to claim that Princess Margareta has no right to do that?????
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
I find this pretty insulting for a lady who, as no one else in the royal family, has put all her zest in giving a meaningful role for the former royal family.

30% monarchist means 70% no monarchists. Princess Margareta knows her statistics and understands reality. It is not so difficult: there is NO majority and NO zest to topple the democracy for a hereditary monarchy. Simple enough.

What if Princess Margareta decides to create her nephew Nicholas Prince of Romania again and makes a successor again? Will you then come here to claim that Princess Margareta has no right to do that?????
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1.Constitutional Monarchy is a form of democracy.
2. Those supporting the republic are less than 50% and many are not convinced.
3. Promoting the interests of the republic is not according to royal tradition.
4. Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is seen by many as the one who continues his grandfathers ideals.
 
Recent exchanges have confirmed what has been evident for quite some time. The disputes about the succession are not based on principles; it's all just sordid politics. A mafia of pseudo-monarchists led by a handful of journalists with an axe to grind (because the Royal House will not do their bidding or adopt the strategy that they believe in) are trying to hijack the monarchist movement and are hell-bent on discrediting Margareta and any who support her because her success means their loss of influence. They will promote anyone as an alternative to achieve their ends. Nicholas is the current sacrificial lamb in this campaign - until he understands that they are using him as a means of attacking his family, and that they are a main cause of the problems he has in his relationship with his entire birth family. They cannot give him the crown because they have no real power and certainly zero moral authority. They are certainly doomed to failure.
 
Andy T said:
Recent exchanges have confirmed what has been evident for quite some time. The disputes about the succession are not based on principles; it's all just sordid politics. A mafia of pseudo-monarchists led by a handful of journalists with an axe to grind (because the Royal House will not do their bidding or adopt the strategy that they believe in) are trying to hijack the monarchist movement and are hell-bent on discrediting Margareta and any who support her because her success means their loss of influence. They will promote anyone as an alternative to achieve their ends. Nicholas is the current sacrificial lamb in this campaign - until he understands that they are using him as a means of attacking his family, and that they are a main cause of the problems he has in his relationship with his entire birth family. They cannot give him the crown because they have no real power and certainly zero moral authority. They are certainly doomed to failure.
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Offending the monarchists that made so many sacrifices for the cause in the last 28 years is really sad not to say shameful. The only ones that try to bring back the Monarchy are offended only because they do not agree to accept the republican compromises made on behalf " of the Royal house".
The disputes about Succession are based on principles something certain people can't accept at all. Accepting invented titles is more comfortable for people that ignore the Romanian royal tradition.
Nicholas was sacrificed by some of his own family
(certainly not by the King) not certainly by the monarchists.
 
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Cory said:
Offending the monarchists that made so many sacrifices for the cause in the last 28 years is really sad not to say shameful. The only ones that try to bring back the Monarchy are offended only because they do not agree to accept the republican compromises made on behalf " of the Royal house".
The disputes about Succession are based on principles something certain people can't accept at all. Accepting invented titles is more comfortable for people that ignore the Romanian royal tradition.
Nicholas was sacrificed by some of his own family
(certainly not by the King) not certainly by the monarchists.
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You keep putting monarchist and journalists ahead of those this is actually about; the Royal Family. This is always doomed to fail when so much energy is spent on trying to elevate a monarchist as ‘the righteous one’, and the actual dynasts and successors as infidels and interlopers.
Andy is absolutely correct. You and others have found it practical recently, because nothing else has worked, to hitch your agenda onto Nicholas, and try to use him as a tool in your campaign against the one lady working for the monarchy and Royal Family tirelessly, Margareta, who the King entrusted with the future of the dynasty.

It’s just a transparent continuation of the undermining of the House of Romania that has been going on, and the only sad part about it is that you and those that do it, do not see that it can lead to absolutely no good. There will never again be a throne to ascend in Romania if Margareta fails in her efforts, and with Nicholas as her natural successor, time would easily take care of this situation, if they were given the support of everyone who claims to be behind the greater cause.
If the question of restoration and a change to monarchy is on the agenda, let’s say five years from now, the Royal Family might decide themselves, alongside politicians, that the right thing to do is to start with the next generation. That will however, not happen, if a campaign to damage the head of the Royal Family continues.

It can only happen when cooler and reasonable heads prevail, and the faux monarchists are doing nothing to make that happen at the moment.
 
All the monarchists have to be united in order to convince the entire society of the benefits of the Monarchy. Certainly promoting Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is a very good thing and looks into the future.
 
LadyRohan said:
You keep putting monarchist and journalists ahead of those this is actually about; the Royal Family. This is always doomed to fail when so much energy is spent on trying to elevate a monarchist as ‘the righteous one’, and the actual dynasts and successors as infidels and interlopers.
Andy is absolutely correct. You and others have found it practical recently, because nothing else has worked, to hitch your agenda onto Nicholas, and try to use him as a tool in your campaign against the one lady working for the monarchy and Royal Family tirelessly, Margareta, who the King entrusted with the future of the dynasty.

It’s just a transparent continuation of the undermining of the House of Romania that has been going on, and the only sad part about it is that you and those that do it, do not see that it can lead to absolutely no good. There will never again be a throne to ascend in Romania if Margareta fails in her efforts, and with Nicholas as her natural successor, time would easily take care of this situation, if they were given the support of everyone who claims to be behind the greater cause.
If the question of restoration and a change to monarchy is on the agenda, let’s say five years from now, the Royal Family might decide themselves, alongside politicians, that the right thing to do is to start with the next generation. That will however, not happen, if a campaign to damage the head of the Royal Family continues.

It can only happen when cooler and reasonable heads prevail, and the faux monarchists are doing nothing to make that happen at the moment.
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Excellent comments. Weather-vane pseudo-monarchist nutters - yesterday the Hohenzollerns, today Margareta, tomorrow Nicholas - have no credibility and cannot be trusted by anyone because they have no principles and are driven solely by self-interest, no longer faithful to any ideal but subject to the monster 'monarchist' organisation they have created. They are part of the problem, not the solution and they can't be taken seriously. Ultimately, the monster they have created will consume them all.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the Royal House continues to devote itself to the service of the Romania of today in whatever way it can. The chances of a restoration due to Romanians being able to witness first-hand what a Royal Family can add to a society far far outweigh the chances (zero) of a fractious mini-mafia of malcontents and misfits provoking a revolution to overthrow the republic through a strategy of character assassination and scandal-mongering.
 
Oh, what’s the point, frankly. You’re just writing the same two sentences over and over without taking in what anyone else says, Cory. It’s a meaningless campaign to damage the Royal Family, and to try and elevate someone who, with your logic, does not have hereditary rights.

What is the purpose of these posts when you deny the rights of the Royal Family to ascend a restored throne anyway? None.
What is the point in having one viewpoint today, when we all know from reading you’ll change it tomorrow anyway? None.

Every Romanian monarchist and every monarchist outside knows that the future of the family lies with Nicholas. We have said so for years. You and a select few others however, have denied that route and denounced the entire Royal Family, to which Nicholas belongs, as usurpers, because women couldn’t inherit the throne back in the days of the monarchy.

You can’t be so unprincipled as to go from that standpoint as to leap onto the son of a daughter of the King, who then certainly is ineligible, and say that he is eligible, just because he is a man. It is so transparently illogical. It is beyond disrespectful to women everywhere, and it is sadly detrimental to the cause of unity that you keep sending your ‘hopes and prayers’ to the Royal Family for.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: With ‘friends’ like these, who on Earth needs enemies?
 
The ones that try to prevent Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills to be known by the Romanians are those that should support him. Let's not avoid the truth and see the reality: the King wanted his grandson to be in Romania and to be known by the Romanians. Others did not agree fearing the popularity of this young man.
The ones that undermine Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills in the last 3 years are the same undermining the cause of Monarchy.
 
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And on and on and on it goes. Is there anything new in this campaign, or is it so difficult to see that Nicholas has had most people supporting him all along, and that you're the one coming late to the cause?

Just because it became opportune to support someone who is unable to ascend the throne according to every statement you've made for years now, doesn't make it less ridiculous to see the attempts at causing harm to the Custodian, in order to elevate literally anyone else, Nicholas included.

As someone who has supported his place in the Royal Family all along, I wish I could say: 'welcome to the cause', but since it's just another designed move to harm the Custodian and the Royal Family whom you find illegitimate, the more appropriate thing to say, is just 'oy vey'.
 
Cory said:
Offending the monarchists that made so many sacrifices for the cause in the last 28 years is really sad not to say shameful. [..]
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The only one who offends here is you, constantly sniping towards Princess Margareta.

Attacking Princess Margareta and Princess Helena means attacking Nicholas himself. After all his former position in the (proposed) hereditary succession is based on the fact that he is the eldest child of the eldest sister of the -childless- eldest daughter of the late King. When his aunt and his mother are no hereditary successors, Nicholas can not be a hereditary successor either.

Imagine that King George VI died now and you say: David Armstrong-Jones should be King and not his mother Princess Margaret or his aunt Princess Elizabeth. That is exactly what you are doing here with Nicholas. Just desilusional.
 
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Custodians are in the museums and such invented title has nothing to do with the Royal Family.
Why dont you recognize once and for all who really tried to exclude Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills from the Family and from Romania?

Duc_et_Pair said:
The only one who offends here is you, constantly sniping towards Princess Margareta.

Attacking Princess Margareta and Princess Helena means attacking Nicholas himself. After all his former position in the (proposed) hereditary succession is based on the fact that he is the eldest child of the eldest sister o3f the -childless- eldest daughter of the late King. When his aunt and his mother are no hereditary successors, Nicholas can not be a hereditary successor either.

Imagine that King George VI died now and you say: David Armstrong-Jones should be King and not his mother Princess Margaret or his aunt Princess Elizabeth. That is exactly what you are doing here with Nicholas. Just desilusional.
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You compare a clear line of Succession like in he UK with a proposed and modified line that is in Romania. There us obviously no comparison.
 
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Duc_et_Pair said:
The only one who offends here is you, constantly sniping towards Princess Margareta.

Attacking Princess Margareta and Princess Helena means attacking Nicholas himself. After all his former position in the (proposed) hereditary succession is based on the fact that he is the eldest child of the eldest sister of the -childless- eldest daughter of the late King. When his aunt and his mother are no hereditary successors, Nicholas can not be a hereditary successor either.

Imagine that King George VI died now and you say: David Armstrong-Jones should be King and not his mother Princess Margaret or his aunt Princess Elizabeth. That is exactly what you are doing here with Nicholas. Just desilusional.
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Spot on. If only a reasonable or logical argument was made, it would be possible to follow, but as you point out so well, it's just unreasonable and illogical.
 
Cory said:
You compare a clear line of Succession like in he UK with a proposed and modified line that is in Romania. There us obviously no comparison.
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But you advocate Nicholas.
On base of what? His nice eyes?

No: because he is the son of HRH Princess Elena of Romania, second daughter to the late King.

When you believe in the system of a hereditary monarchy, in which a royal dynasty is continued by procreation, you can not ignore that there are two persons from a preceding generation before Nicholas. It is as simple as that.

What you advocate is no monarchy. You advocate X-Factor Romania.
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
But you advocate Nicholas.
On base of what? His nice eyes?

No: because he is the son of HRH Princess Elena of Romania, second daughter to the late King.

When you believe in the system of a hereditary monarchy, in which a royal dynasty is continued by procreation, you can not ignore that there are two persons from a preceding generation before Nicholas. It is as simple as that.

What you advocate is no monarchy. You advocate X-Factor Romania.
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I do not need lessons about Monarchy from who's supporting the republic.
I do not support Nicholas but I am sorry for how he was treated by some of his own family and I realize his popularity.
 
Cory said:
I do not need lessons about Monarchy from who's supporting the republic.
I do not support Nicholas but I am sorry for how he was treated by some of his own family and I realize his popularity.
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Ah... "I do not support Nicholas".

We have come to a conclusion. Amen and Hallelujah. Then we can end this perpetuum mobile and discuss the pretender who who has your support indeed. And that is not Nicholas, as you have stated in black and white in the quote above.
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
Ah... "I do not support Nicholas".

We have come to a conclusion. Amen and Hallelujah. Then we can end this perpetuum mobile and discuss the pretender who who has your support indeed. And that is not Nicholas, as you have stated in black and white in the quote above.
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As a republican probably you do not see certain nuances. To believe the rightful line is ok but we can't ignore the reality and we have to see how popular Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is.
 
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Cory said:
Custodians are in the museums and such invented title has nothing to do with the Royal Family.
Why dont you recognize once and for all who really tried to exclude Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills from the Family and from Romania?
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Nicholas is not relevant. He is no successor as you stated.
Nicholas is not excluded from his family as we can see on various pictures.
Nicholas is not excluded from Romania either, as we again can see on various pictures.
With other words: maybe Mr Medforth-Mills has some familial hiccups but for the rest he can continue his life in beautiful Romania with his newly wed wife.

Cory said:
As a republican probably you do not see certain nuances. To believe the rightful one is one is ok but we can't ignore the reality and we have to see how popular Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is.
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That is an argument which has to be blown up with a bazooka.
We can not ignore the reality and we have to see how popular Cristiano Ronaldo is.
Yeay! Cristiano for King (of Portugal)!
 
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Duc_et_Pair said:
That is an argument which has to be blown up with a bazooka.
We can not ignore the reality and we have to see how popular Cristiano Ronaldo is.
Yeay! Cristiano for King (of Portugal)!
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Certainly Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is a member of the late King's Family so the comparison is ridiculous .
 
Cory said:
Certainly Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is a member of the late King's Family so the comparison is ridiculous .
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It's not ridiculous at all.
Five years ago, you fully supported Margareta on these forums, and praised the decisions of the King.
You fully supported the rights of the King to update the line of succession and house rules to ensure the dynasty would continue.
Three years ago, you flipped the script and decided the King was wrong to do anything and had no authority at all, while the Hohenzollern family in Germany were the legitimate heirs.
Six months ago you wondered why Paul Lambrino was not included more in the discussions around the monarchy in Romania, and that he had more rights than the princesses Margareta, Elena, Irina, Sofia and Maria to inherit the throne.
Now, you've decided the best way to undermine the Royal Family is to elevate Nicholas again, as a tool to set people against Margareta.

All this, while numerous of your posts have included references to prayers and hopes for unity in the Royal Family.

Do you really not see the irony in all of this?
Do you really expect your posts to be taken seriously, while everyone else who posts in here, myself included, have 'nothing' to base our arguments on and you hold the chalice of truth?

Cory, the foolishness really should take a break, because it won't break through in here.
 
Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills should not be respected because he is the King's grandson but because he is human being. In the last few years a lot of thing were revealed and any decisions we believed belonged to the King proved otherwise.
 
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Cory said:
Certainly Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills is a member of the late King's Family so the comparison is ridiculous .
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You are biting in your own tail.
The daughters of the late King Michael are no successors in your opinion.
Therefore Nicholas is no successor either.

That makes the positions of Nicholas and Cristiano exactly the same:

- Cristiano is no successor to the former royal throne of Portugal
- Nicholas is no succcessor to the former royal throne of Romania
 
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Had I not been working tonight I'd popped myself some popcorn and sat down to enjoy the show ?
 
JR76 said:
Had I not been working tonight I'd popped myself some popcorn and sat down to enjoy the show ��
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Ah, i'm not the only one.... :lol:

I sometimes get the feeling i'm seeing reruns though ;)
 
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