Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills: Discussion, Succession, Paternity Claims

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Hans-Rickard

Had Nicholas been on good terms with his grandfather or his mother, there is no way he would have been denied entrance to his grandfathers house to bid a last farewell. Normal families wouldn’t do that. But this family can hardly be called normal in any form or way...

As far as i remenber since he was stripped of his Title and his succession rights by his grandfather who did not tell it himself he wasn't allowd to see his grandfather anymore in saying that this was the wish of the late King.

[maria-olivia]

Bad Behaviours on both sides. Absolutely not Royal !

[Biri]

History shows that Royals are not angels and never were (many cases of fratricide in various dynasties).

[Duc_et_Pair]

This was the statement back then:

His Majesty’s King Michael's Press Office is authorized to send the following message:

"On Tuesday evening, Nov. 7, 2017, Nicholas Medforth-Mills attempted to violate the residence of His Majesty the King in Switzerland. Mr. Medforth- Mills forced the door to the house, involving six people in the incident, including three of His Majesty’s House employees. Mr. Medforth-Mills physically and verbally assaulted three people. One of them has body wounds. Finally, he was prevented from forcing into the house.

His Majesty made it clear for several months that he refuses to see his grandson, as he had repeatedly informed Mr. Medforth-Mills. There were three nurses attending the incident, who took care of His Majesty, and could not carry on their duties on time. The nurses also said that they were afraid for their integrity, and that they would discuss with their institution if they would come, or not, to take care of the King.

The incident occurred one hour after King Mihael received the Holy Communion from His Eminence Metropolitan Iosif. His Majesty’s House filed a complaint to the Swiss Police."

(King Michael died one month later, December 5th 2017. His grandson Nicholas Medforth-Mills did attend all funeral ceremonies by the way, seated with his family. The same counts for Irina Walker, formerly HRH Princess Irina of Romania, Princess of Hohenzollern: also she did attend the funeral).

[Quetzalcoatl]

Biri, you are right about that. But, in this case it is only a matter of petty ambitions. Mr Actor-Prince who is afraid he might be sent to retirement by the new generation of the family. And the new generation who has made their own parallel royal household and believes it is in a sort of contest with aunt Margarita. Not to mention both sides seem to be counselled by lackeys and intrigants.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

Biri, you are right about that. But, in this case it is only a matter of petty ambitions. Mr Actor-Prince who is afraid he might be sent to retirement by the new generation of the family. And the new generation who has made their own parallel royal household and believes it is in a sort of contest with aunt Margarita. Not to mention both sides seem to be counselled by lackeys and intrigants.

How is "Mr Actor Prince" (I expect you to use Mr Fitness Trainer Prince and Ms Newsreader Queen, from now on) "afraid he might be sent to retirement" while the successor to the Custodian of the Crown, Nicholas' mother, and the other princesses form one closed front?

Maybe you can elaborate on "the own parallel royal household"? Which one? Mr and Mrs Nicholas Medforth-Mills? They rely on rich donors - with their own agendas- but there is far from anything of a "Household" working for the couple.

[CyrilVladisla]

Does Princess Margareta have to have the approval of the Romanian Parliament to reinstate Nicholas in the line of succession?

[CrownPrincessJava]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

Does Princess Margareta have to have the approval of the Romanian Parliament to reinstate Nicholas in the line of succession?

Romania is a Republic, not a constitutional monarchy. The Government wouldn't get involved as it's a private family matter.

[Heavs]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

Does Princess Margareta have to have the approval of the Romanian Parliament to reinstate Nicholas in the line of succession?

No, despite the royal family's quasi official status the line of Succession is private. King Mihai didn't need Parliament to agree to take Nicolae out at the time. He had previously stated that his revisions a few years earlier were something he hoped the government would take into consideration in the event of a restoration but they're not official for anyone except family.

I do think that if the royal family want any hope of keeping the same arrangement past the King's daughters then Nicolae is probably the only realistic choice to do that but that's a different discussion from if he should.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Heavs

No, despite the royal family's quasi official status the line of Succession is private. King Mihai didn't need Parliament to agree to take Nicolae out at the time. He had previously stated that his revisions a few years earlier were something he hoped the government would take into consideration in the event of a restoration but they're not official for anyone except family.

I do think that if the royal family want any hope of keeping the same arrangement past the King's daughters then Nicolae is probably the only realistic choice to do that but that's a different discussion from if he should.

Nicholas' younger sister and younger cousine are successors and their eventual offspring from a consented marriage probably will become successors as well.

Look at Monaco where the Casiraghis and the Ducruets are successors.

[wartenberg7]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Nicholas' younger sister and younger cousine are successors and their eventual offspring from a consented marriage probably will become successors as well.

Look at Monaco where the Casiraghis and the Ducruets are successors.

Successors without any real chances to "succeed"...

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

Successors without any real chances to "succeed"...

Have the other successors -or former successors- something to succeed to then? Romania is and remains a republic.

Note that until King Michael unilaterally issued the Fundamental Rules for the Royal House, there was not one successor amongst his descendants. So the current situation with 6 successors to the headship of the House is pretty "luxe".

[JR76]

Given the deal between the State of Romania and the Royal family there is something to succeed to. It might not be a throne but a state approved high-profile role as representatives of the country's history and it's traditions. A role that at least to an outsider like me seems to have the support of the Romanian people.
The deal with Margarita and Radu is also, again at least to me, a semi-official approval by the Romanian state of King Michael's suggested line of succession. What's interesting will be to see the future of that deal after Margarita and her husband. Unfortunately no other grandchildren of King Michael has shown any interest in Romania besides Nicholas so once the King's daughters have passed away who will take over? The same seems to go for Bulgaria. None of King Simeon's children and grandchildren seems interested in continuing on in the country as representatives of the Royal family. Nor, to be frank, does the Bulgarian authorities seem to want them too.

[Heavs]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Nicholas' younger sister and younger cousine are successors and their eventual offspring from a consented marriage probably will become successors as well.

Look at Monaco where the Casiraghis and the Ducruets are successors.

They indeed exist but as far as we know have little interest in becoming public figures with quasi official standing in Romania.

Nicholas's sister lives in the UK as is alleged to support her brother's opinion that he should not have been disinherited. She does not publicly appear in Romania very often, apparently doesn't speak Romanian, doesn't live there and doesn't seem interested in the Romanian people "getting to know her" as it were.

The same seems to be true of his cousins.

If there was nothing there to inherit or work towards then that would be fine but Margarita has a quasi public role and lives in palaces leased from the government. She greets ambassadors, waves from balconies, holds the "royal patronage" of various organisations and is acknowledged by the government as the Custodian among other things.

Nicolae appears to be the only one interested in living and working in Romania and being as visible as he can (and still calling himself Principe Nicolae al Romaniei). If they want to keep the current arrangement, he's their best bet unless his sister or cousins become much more visible in the next few years.

I'm not saying that he should be reinstated, just that he's the only one that appears interested in any kind of public life.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Heavs

They indeed exist but as far as we know have little interest in becoming public figures with quasi official standing in Romania.

Nicholas's sister lives in the UK as is alleged to support her brother's opinion that he should not have been disinherited. She does not publicly appear in Romania very often, apparently doesn't speak Romanian, doesn't live there and doesn't seem interested in the Romanian people "getting to know her" as it were.

The same seems to be true of his cousins.

If there was nothing there to inherit or work towards then that would be fine but Margarita has a quasi public role and lives in palaces leased from the government. She greets ambassadors, waves from balconies, holds the "royal patronage" of various organisations and is acknowledged by the government as the Custodian among other things.

Nicolae appears to be the only one interested in living and working in Romania and being as visible as he can (and still calling himself Principe Nicolae al Romaniei). If they want to keep the current arrangement, he's their best bet unless his sister or cousins become much more visible in the next few years.

I'm not saying that he should be reinstated, just that he's the only one that appears interested in any kind of public life.

I agree with you but the key lies with Nicholas and his mother Princess Elena. I can not imagine the Custodian, Princess Margareta, rehabilitating her nephew without the approval of her sister and heir Princess Elena, whom seems close-knit to Margareta.

By the way, not all palaces are leased. The royal domains and castles of Savarsin, of Peles and of Pelisor are owned by the royal family. The Custodian is given Elisabeta Palace as daily venue, the former Royal Palace in Bucharest for ceremonial events and is given a budget, logistics, facilities, transportation, security, communication and staffingby the State.