Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills: Discussion, Succession, Paternity Claims

[LadyFinn]

Here is an interesting article about the quarrel between Nicolae and his aunt Margareta.

The Royal Wedding, boycotted by the Royal Family. Why?
At the article there is among other things:
The quarrel between Nicolae and Margareta would seem to be older than many supporters of the Crown expect. In 1993-1994, Alexander Paleologu, Neagu Djuvara and other intellectuals have urged the king to let the young man (Nicolae) to study in Romania. Margareta opposed.
Discord seems to have been occasioned by the triumphant visit in April 1992, the organizer of that event, unique in majesty and divine grace, Petre Mihai Bacanu, recommended that king Mihai is accompanied by Nicolae and not Princess Margareta, which he considered too grasping.
Process Aubonne continues. Her Majesty Margareta has not withdrawn her legal complaint after the king's grandson tried to see his grandfather on his sickbed. Recently a new hearing has been held.
Nunta regală, boicotată de Familia Regală. Motivul_ _ Romania Libera

[Debbies]

Today's article with a summary of issues between RF and Nicholas., including the position of his mother Elena.
https://www.ziaruldeiasi.ro/stiri/ce...u--200924.html

Translation:
https://translate.google.it/translat...tml&edit-text=

[wartenberg7]

Originally Posted by Debbies

Today's article with a summary of issues between RF and Nicholas., including the position of his mother Elena.
https://www.ziaruldeiasi.ro/stiri/ce...u--200924.html

Translation:
https://translate.google.it/translat...tml&edit-text=

Nothing really new here... It´s simply the official position of the royal house.

[Debbies]

Of course but I see it as more detailed here

[LadyFinn]

From Nicolae's interview in swiss L’Illustré about taking the prince title away from him:
“I have never received a credible explanation from my family. The decision was taken while I was on holiday in Croatia, I was summoned to Bucharest and I was summoned to the office where my grandfather was forced to abdicate in 1947, by my aunt, my uncle and a cabinet member. I received a copy of the decision without any further explanation. I never saw the original document and I could not speak to my grandfather until the end of his life. I was shocked", said Nicolae in L’Illustré magazine.
Fostul principe Nicolae, noi dezvăluiri despre excluderea sa de la tron_ „Am fost șocat” - Stirileprotv.ro

[wartenberg7]

This shows once more how cold [...] they truely are...!

[xenobia]

Nicholas posted on Facebook:

În urma insistențelor mele de a face testul privind stabilirea paternității presupusului meu copil, doamna Nicoleta Cîrjan a acceptat realizarea acestuia. Rezultatul a fost pozitiv, reiesind ca sunt tatăl copilului ei. Având în vedere contextul în care acest copil a venit pe lume, faptul că nu am avut o relație cu mama acestuia, mi-am asumat responsabilitatea legala fața de acesta. Din rațiuni care țin de protejarea intereselor superioare ale copilului, consider ca orice aspect legat de viata acestuia este de natura strict privata. Din dorința expresa de a proteja copilul și pentru a nu-l supune niciunui risc mediatic sau de bullying am decis să incetez orice alte comentarii pe marginea acestui subiect.


Google translates as follows:

As a result of my insistence on the test of establishing the paternity of my alleged child, Ms. Nicoleta Cîrjan accepted this achievement. The result was positive, saying I am her child's father. Given the context in which this child came to the world, the fact that I did not have a relationship with my mother, I assumed legal responsibility for it. For reasons of protecting the best interests of the child, I consider that any aspect related to her life is of a strictly private nature. From the express wish to protect the child and not subject it to any media risk or bullying, I decided to stop any further comments on this subject.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by xenobia

Nicholas posted on Facebook:

În urma insistențelor mele de a face testul privind stabilirea paternității presupusului meu copil, doamna Nicoleta Cîrjan a acceptat realizarea acestuia. Rezultatul a fost pozitiv, reiesind ca sunt tatăl copilului ei. Având în vedere contextul în care acest copil a venit pe lume, faptul că nu am avut o relație cu mama acestuia, mi-am asumat responsabilitatea legala fața de acesta. Din rațiuni care țin de protejarea intereselor superioare ale copilului, consider ca orice aspect legat de viata acestuia este de natura strict privata. Din dorința expresa de a proteja copilul și pentru a nu-l supune niciunui risc mediatic sau de bullying am decis să incetez orice alte comentarii pe marginea acestui subiect.


Google translates as follows:

As a result of my insistence on the test of establishing the paternity of my alleged child, Ms. Nicoleta Cîrjan accepted this achievement. The result was positive, saying I am her child's father. Given the context in which this child came to the world, the fact that I did not have a relationship with my mother, I assumed legal responsibility for it. For reasons of protecting the best interests of the child, I consider that any aspect related to her life is of a strictly private nature. From the express wish to protect the child and not subject it to any media risk or bullying, I decided to stop any further comments on this subject.

Hardly the first prince to have an illegitimate child. Is it reasonable to strip him of his title and place in the line of succession because of that ?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Hardly the first prince to have an illegitimate child. Is it reasonable to strip him of his title and place in the line of succession because of that ?

Or because of not taking his paternal responsibilities? Remains a guess.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Hardly the first prince to have an illegitimate child. Is it reasonable to strip him of his title and place in the line of succession because of that ?

No, it was not a reasonable decision.

Until they restore Nicholas to his place, the RRF has no future. Karina supports her brother, and their cousin Elisabeta is not interested. The Custodian needs to take care of the Crown and guarantee that it will be looked after.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Or because of not taking his paternal responsibilities? Remains a guess.

He insisted on a paternity test, which is reasonable . After the test came back positive, he says he took legal responsibility for the child. I can't see how he can be deemed to be at fault in this matter then.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

He insisted on a paternity test, which is reasonable . After the test came back positive, he says he took legal responsibility for the child. I can't see how he can be deemed to be at fault in this matter then.

King Michael probably wanted Nicholas, who was never a successor, and only became one after his intervention, to run a spotless and exemplaric parcours. When Nicholas apparently had intercourse with a fling and it had a consequence (never heard about contraception, I assume), probably the King was desillusioned and disappointed in his grandson.

And with the very same "right" he created his grandson a successor and a prince, with the same "right" he took it away from him. Resulting in most amusing reactions of posters arguing the King had no right to strip him, but at the same time did not say the King had no right to create him in the first place...



Now it will be up to his aunt Princess Margareta and his mother Princess Elena to see if Nicholas will be back in grace and favour. And we will see how Karina and Élisabeth will react when the gates of Elisabeta Palace, the Royal Palace, Savarsin Castle and Peles Castle swing open for them. Power and prestige are deceiving. Especially when it is within reach.

My advice would be to boast less about commercial parties who sponsored his wedding and avoid poisonous complottantes like Ms Rotariu and the likes (who run an anti-Margareta agenda) like the Plague. He needs his aunt or his mother. He has the key to make a come back. I wish him sound advisers and no complotters.

[JR76]

Nicholas has long claimed that it wasn't he who refused the paternity test. I'd say what we have here is a mix of his grandfather's religious background after loosing the throne and the Lambrino story in addition to the expectations on behaviour that the very old King had on his grandson.

Then there's also the rumours about King Michael having nothing to do with the decision to demote Nicholas...

[xenobia]

I wonder why he posted this now? I assume this was settled in private a long time ago.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

He insisted on a paternity test, which is reasonable . After the test came back positive, he says he took legal responsibility for the child. I can't see how he can be deemed to be at fault in this matter then.

It seems he came up with excuses for about 3 1/2 years. Presenting it as 'because I persisted' seems a far strectch. Nd only now is he taking some responsibilty after he denied it for about 4 years.

[HereditaryPrincess]

This might have already been asked but if Nicholas has recognised Irina Anna's paternity, does that mean she will be eligible for a royal (even if former) title and chance to inherit the defunct throne? I don't know how the Romanian RF did/does things but we've seen in British monarchial history that illegitimate children recognised by their royal fathers have gained noble titles and or succession places.

[Al_bina]

It is nice to learn that the paternity situation has come to a conclusion.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

This might have already been asked but if Nicholas has recognised Irina Anna's paternity, does that mean she will be eligible for a royal (even if former) title and chance to inherit the defunct throne? I don't know how the Romanian RF did/does things but we've seen in British monarchial history that illegitimate children recognised by their royal fathers have gained noble titles and or succession places.

Romania is a Orthodox country and of course the head of the royal dynasty had to approve a marriage. Nicolas' child was not born in a marriage at all. And since a few years the father has no royal status anymore. Most likely the child will have pretty normal everyday life.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Somebody

It seems he came up with excuses for about 3 1/2 years. Presenting it as 'because I persisted' seems a far strectch. Nd only now is he taking some responsibilty after he denied it for about 4 years.

Both Nicholas and Nicoleta had expressed a public desire for there to be a paternity test since Iris was born. The issue was that they each desired that the test take place at different facilities. IIRC, Nicholas wanted the test to be done at a hospital in Bucharest, while Nicoleta wanted there to be two tests (one in Bucharest, and one in Brasov, IIRC).

Overall, it is good that the parents of Iris Anna have come to an agreement. I suspect that Alina, Nicholas' wife, was also instrumental in this. She is a strong young woman who has equally strong values. Alina and Nicholas complement one another exceedingly well.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogs...cholas-de.html

[MsJulie]

Can Nicolae be reinstated as a Prince by his mom or it does not matter? Thanks