King Carol II (1893-1953), Queen Mother Helen (1896-1982), Wives and Descendants

[Pook]

Originally Posted by Warren

Paul Hohenzollern is not a Prince of Romania and is certainly not the Crown Prince of Romania. He is just an embittered would-be-if-he-could-be. Particularly tacky is his inference that King Michael should be "shot for his crimes". Paul is a nasty piece of work.

Queen Helen, King Michael`s mother, was honoured by Israel as "Righteous among Nations" for her role during the war to protect Romanian Jews. Enough said.
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Very true. Do the research and see. Paul simply claimed the title on his own and named himself this. He certainly is a nasty piece of work and in my opinion, an oxygen thief.

Purrs,
Pook

[Cory]

Paul and Lia have no links with King Mihai I or the Royal Family.

[marco]

Printul Paul si Printesa Lia sunt amenintati cu evacuarea - VIDEO

Any forumites conversant in Romanian care to explain the video clip as it's bugging me to find out

[Cory]

New problems for Zizi Lambrino's grandson because of his supposed debts to an English journalist:

http://www.acasatv.ro/emisiuni/print...rea-video.html

[CSENYC]

I saw a recent list of "100 Greatest Romanians" (which included most monarchs) and "Worst Romanians" (which included King Carol II and, oddly, King Michael).

Do Romanians have such a bad view of King Carol II? Does that impact their views on restoring the monarchy?

[Cory]

Carol II has a very bad reputation nowadays in Romania.

[MAfan]

And what is his bad reputation due to?

[Cory]

Lack of respect for democracy, lack of respect for his wife (Queen Elena)...

[cmkrcwi]

Don't forget that at one point during the Abdication crisis, Queen Mary observed, "Really, this might be Romania!"

[CSENYC]

Originally Posted by Cory

Lack of respect for democracy, lack of respect for his wife (Queen Elena)...

How did he get away with destroying democracy? (I know the facts of what he did- which was terrible- but why didn't people stand up to him?)

And the Worst Romanians list listed Ceaucescu, who in the West would be viewed as one of the worst dictators in the 20th century, just a few numbers above King Carol II. Are they really comparable?

[Cory]

Carol II was not a real dictator but he changed the democratic Constitution of 1923 with the Constitution of 1938 where the authority of the King increased enourmosly.

[Cory]

Obviously Paul, Zizi Lambrino's grandson, must be very happy about the remarks of Traian Basescu against the king.

[Grandduchess24]

What was carol like as a person ? He was a suitor to Olga nikolaievna but it was his mother Marie , olga's maternal aunt that said no and called her bad names... That's what I know

[Vasillisos Markos]

My dear Grandduchess24,

Forgive me for a minor correction, but Queen Marie, the mother of King Carol, was a first cousin once-removed to Grand Duchess Olga. Marie was a cousin to Tsar Nicholas through her mother (Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna and Tsar Alexander III were brother and sister) and a cousin to Tsarina Alexandra through her father (Duke of Edinburgh, later Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and Princess Alice of Hesse Darmstadt were brother and sister). Carol's grandmother would have been a great-aunt to Olga.

I don't think Queen Marie had any real objection to Olga. She did not think Olga was pretty but this lack of beauty would not have been a deciding factor. A marriage between the two royal houses would be a dynastic coup but Queen Marie and Tsarina Alexandra, who were never close and Marie admitted feeling awkward when talking to Alexandra, each decided to allow their children to decide who they would marry. Olga was determined to marry a Russian and apparently Carol did not wish to marry Olga either.

[Cory]

Carol was not attracted at all by the Tsar's daughters.

[Vasillisos Markos]

i don't think the families considered anyone for him but Olga, the eldest of the four daughters. Carol did not seem to know who he liked or loved, IMO, and caused much heartache to his mother and wife.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos

i don't think the families considered anyone for him but Olga, the eldest of the four daughters. Carol did not seem to know who he liked or loved, IMO, and caused much heartache to his mother and wife.

Agreed. And Alix kept them with her as long as she could so they really hadn't any experience with other suitors either.

[Cory]

Alix was little bit selfish in a way.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Cory

Alix was little bit selfish in a way.

Ya think?

[Lenora]

Did the king Carol II have any children with Elena Magda Lupescu?Was she married before their relation?