Princess Madeleine, Current Events Part 2: October 2003 - August 2004

[Dennism]

Smart move. Good cooking things. Neat.

 

[GrandDuchess]

Princess Madeleine gets increased protection

Expressen reported a while back that the Swedish security police (SÄPO) has increased the protection for HRH Princess Madeleine. At the moment, she is not allowed to drive herself, but has to be transported by a security police car with two ”bodyguards” in it. According to Expressen, the security police are conducting investigations on people around her where she moves (not her friends). In the past there has been psychiatrically disturbed people who have been obsessed with the Royal House and has tried to get as close to them as possible. There is one person called ”the Madeleine man” who is well known by the security police and that has been written about earlier. One year ago he tried to get into Drottninhgolm Palace (the home of The King & Queen and the Crown Princess who lives in a wing of the palace) to talk with Princess Madeleine and give her presents.

Princess Madeleine was in a "flight drama" this past Saturday (27 March), here are two articles from the national newspapers Expressen & Aftonbladet.

Expressen’s version of the event:

Princess Madeleine in flight drama today

The SAS (Scandinavian Airlines) flight SK 611, which was supposed to take off at 9:20 AM, was standing on the runway. Onboard was Princess Madeleine and her boyfriend. Suddenly the cabin was filled with smoke.

Just before 9:30 AM this morning the alarm came. At the front of the SAS plane, the smoke was thick. The rescue service turned out and all 102 passengers were quickly evacuated. The Royal Court’s Press Director, Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, confirms to expressen.se that the Princess was onboard.
- She was going to Geneva on a private errand.

After a while, it turned out that it was not a fire but oil fog from the planes engines that had been sucked out through the planes hydraulic system. The Princess calmly stayed at Arlanda (airport) just as every other passenger.
- It wasn’t that dramatic, Tarras-Wahlberg explained.

About an hour later the passenger could board again to collect their hand baggage, and at 11:15 a new plane took off towards Geneva. The Princess was then again omboard with her boyfriend. The replacement plane landed at 13:52 without problems.

Aftonbladet’s version:

The cabin was filled with smoke before start

The cabin was filled with smoke before start – Princess Madeleine in flight drama.
All 102 passengers onboard was on Saturday morning forced to leave a SAS plane after smoke development. Princess Madeleine was one of them.

The plane was going to fly from Arlanda to Geneva. The alarm came just before 10:30 AM. The SAS plane that was supposed to take off at 9:20 AM to Geneva was standing at the gate, ready to get out on the runway.

The passengers didn’t get time to do more than sit down before the pilot demanded everyone to leave the plane. The smoke was sneaking into the passenger cabin from the front of the plane, and at the back the smoke was thick.

Princess Madeleine was on the plane when the alarm went off. Several passengers states to aftonbladet.se that the Princess was helped out from the plane. She was taken to a car, which then drove off from Arlanda.

The Royal Court’s Press Director, Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg confirms to Aftonbladet.se that Madeleine was on the plane but wants to tone down the incident.
- Smoke development sounds very dramatic. It was not dramatic at all, she says.
- Everyone was taking it quit calmly, says one of the passengers. – We didn’t know what it was, but seven fire department vehicles (??) came to the plane.

The rescue service turned out, but went back soon afterwards. It turned out that oil fog from one of the engines had been sucked out by the plane’s hydraulic system.

- We didn’t do anything on the spot when we came to the conclusion that it was oil fog, says Robert Johansson, staff command on the rescue service north.

After an hour of waiting, the passengers were allowed onboard again to collect their hand luggage. After that they waited a while longer before a replacement plane could be set on duty. At 11:15 this morning, it took off towards Geneva. A few minutes before, the Princess came back to the gate and went onboard minutes before the plane took off. According to Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, Madeleine is going to Geneva in private matters.

Article about Princess Madeleine & her studies from the national newspaper Expressen on this past Saturday, March 27. :flower:

That exam was no art!
“Study Princess” managed her last exam superbly.

Now Madeleine is staking everything on the c-essay – then she aims for a Bachelor in Arts.
- We are thinking and discussing different directions to continue with, says her mentor Lena Ramel to Expressen.

The study results after the basic course in the History of Art showed that Princess Madeleine had found what’s right for her. And the results are continuing to impress people in her surroundings. A few weeks ago, the oral exam for the c-course in the History of Art at Stockholm University was carried out. The Princess was put against the wall in the old fashioned way and had to prove her knowledge in the self-picked topic design and handicraft.
- She said it went very well and was very pleased when she came from it, says Lena Ramel.

The Princess has for a long time been very interested in art, design and architecture. She has, among other things, practiced at an interior-decorating magazine.

Now, only the c-essay is left, which is to be turned in at the end of the term. But what subject she has chosen to absorb in, the Princess wants to keep a secret.
- It is partly in the same area, says Lena Ramel.

The Princess earlier was famous for her wild partying in the society of Stockholm, now spends more time to her studies. She is describes as goal-oriented, ambitious and amused by the studies.

Right now Madeleine and her mentor is thinking about the directions for the fall.
- The goal is for her to take a Bachelor in Arts degree. It is very nice if she could get her academic degree. She has succeeded very well so far, I’m actually very proud, says Lena Ramel.

 

[gogm]

I was scanning the Madeleine pages when I came across this:

But when Madeleine's ex-boyfriend Erik arrived, a big commotion soon arose.
They used to be together and Erik visited the Princess when she was in London. But last year she and he broke up and shortly thereafter, she started to date Jonas. It was an irritating or heated mood.
-Madeleine and Erik openly fought with each other. There was smoke(fire) when Erik and Jonas are together and it let to a fight says, an eyewitness.
Another eyewitness said it started when Erik nudged Jonas.
A bitter verbal fight soon arose.
-It was all so embarassing and it looked like the Princess wanted to sink into the earth.(Disappear, I suppose) said an eyewitness.
The guards in Madeleine's party broke it up and Erik was escorted from Kharma.
-He was becoming what plainly was a problem, said one witness.
Jan Jonsson of the security police said yesterday evening:
-The matter was handled before it became messy. But as a matter of principle we never safely protect the royal children.(that can't be right. Strange sentence. I must have misread it. It could be that they never blame the royal children)
Expressen contacted the owner of Kharma, Robert Hållstrand who was in the restaurant last night:
-I never talked about the guests that we have.
Did you see the fight?
-I will not comment on the Princess or her guests who were here last night.(something like that)

This is amazing! A real people's Princess! I had to laugh out loud!

I NEVER thought I'd use this emoticon!

 

[batwoman]

Princess Madeleine Current Events Part 5 (April 2004-August 2004)

what do you think the size princess madeleine wear,is it 42,44 or 46 france size

 

[Lena]

A french 42 would be a 10 in the USA, a 40 in Germany, and a 14 in GB, right??? If it´s this way I would say she has a french 42 or 40... but not more than 42.

 

[jine]

Hi,

oh that´s too big. Did you see the pictures of Victoria, shopping in Rome? She bought a pullover at Zara in size M (that´s a german 38 (maybe 40), so a french 40/42) but I think Madeleine is even a bit thinner than Victoria, so I would say she wears size 36/38 (in German). For example the biggest (german size) you can get at Zara is 44 (as far as I know).

 

[Dennism]

I do not think she is a size 10. I don`t know. That seems too big. Anyway, congrats to Jine on your first post.

 

[kittencrews]

Yeah, I don't think Len is a 10 US size... but perhaps who knows... remember the camera adds 10 lbs...

 

[GrandDuchess]

I would definitely say Princess Madeleine is a Swedish size 36/38!

 

[alola]

how tall is she ?

 

[Yennie]

Madeleine is about 1.71 m.

 

[Lena]

And how are swedish sizes defined? Anyway, almost every label defines sizes different. It can happen that you fit in a certain size in one shop, but not in an other. And some labels (Zara for example) changed the sizes in the last years...when you buy there a 40, some years ago it would have been a 42... I guess the reason is, that you make the customers feel more happy, when they (suddenly) fit in a smaller size
I don´t think, that Maddeleine has a smaller size than Victoria. In the pictures of the last gala she looked bigger than her sister and she is 3-4 cm (1,2-1,6 inches) taller than Victoria...

 

[batwoman]

i think like you lena i think she wear 40 or 42 i think she is 42 cause she saw her ones in H&M shop and she brought Large in a shirt and a jeans size 34 like 42 franch.......shes i think 10 size U.S.A. size.....she not thin but MAD. is more thinner than VIC.

 

[Alexandria]

Is it known that the shirt Madeleine bought at Zara's was for herself? What if she bought it as a gift for a friend who wears a larger size than her?

 

[batwoman]

I dont think so because she try it on and the jeans was size 32 not 34 im sorry i written it wrong ........she tried t-shirt size M and a short skirt and a jeans size 32 as i remmber........................

 

[Lena]

OMG, You´ve watched Madeleine at H&M...you´re my hero now, batwoman! Where (at which H&M in which city) did you watch her?

Do you buy clothes for your friends, Alexandria? I can´t remember that I´ve done this...ok, I´ve bought some of these "my friend/sister...was in Rome/at Mallorca...etc. and all I got is this T-shirt"-shirts, but there I can be sure, that it will fit...and that´s such a trashy gift, that it isn´t taken seriously...but if I would buy other clothes I usually wouldn´t know if it answers the taste of the person...
I´m not suprised, that Madeleine wears "L" at H&M shirts...I´m just about an inch (2-3cm) taller than her, and I really had all shapes you can think of (chubby to very thin) but I mostly bought shirts of a L-size (or M) at H&M...the reason is just, that as taller person you surely need longer shirts, even when you´re narrower built...otherwise the sleeves are too short and the region, where the kidneys are is always uncovered (which is nice in summer, but terrible in winter)

 

[batwoman]

dear lena i saw her in germany in frankfurt and their is H&M in sweden and greece and more but i brought alot of stuff t-shirts,jeans and skirts.... anyway princess Madeleine is very bueatiful,simple and classic ......you really look cool lena i really liked you.............. :flower: :flower: :flower:

 

[Alexandria]

Originally posted by Lena@Apr 5th, 2004 - 12:54 pm
Do you buy clothes for your friends, Alexandria? I can´t remember that I´ve done this

I've bought friends clothes before as bithday or Christmas presents, etc. If I know that they shop at a particular store and generally like the clothes there, then I am likely to buy them a shirt or sweater or something like that from a store. I don't think that buying clothes for friends is too personal or unheard of. And not just "jokey" or fun clothes.

 

[alola]

Thank you Yennie.
But, if she is 1.71 m and her american size is 10, it seems too big.
I'm 1.76 and my american size is 10 too

 

[Edmund]

i must say all this international variation in sizing is very very confusing - you would think they could have some sort of consensus on this. but then i guess the US uses fahrenheit and miles, when the rest of the world uses celsuis and kms so go figure.

for what my view is worth i think M is a size 12 GB/ medium overall.

 

[Jacqueline]

I've bought friends clothes before as bithday or Christmas presents, etc. If I know that they shop at a particular store and generally like the clothes there, then I am likely to buy them a shirt or sweater or something like that from a store. I don't think that buying clothes for friends is too personal or unheard of. And not just "jokey" or fun clothes. [/b]

It certainly isn't strange to me. I usually buy my girlfriends clothes all of the time as gifts for Christmas and birthdays.

 

[Dennism]

Here is an article from today`s paper about the changing sizes of the average American.

By Elizabeth Wellington

Inquirer Fashion Writer

In our guts, we knew it: Americans are getting bigger.

And that's exactly what the results of a national body-size survey reveal. Our hips are wider. Our behinds are rounder. Our waistlines are disappearing.

According to the survey, aptly named SizeUSA and conducted by TC2, a North Carolina textile-research firm, 64 percent of women are pear-shaped (their hips are larger than their busts), and most are closer to a size 16 than a size 8.

Men have larger chests than they used to, and potbellies abound.

Interesting facts, but important, too. Fashion is big business: According to U.S. government figures, we spent $311 billion on apparel and shoes last year. And so, fashion-industry observers say, the SizeUSA data released last month could have broad implications for the way Americans, especially women, will be shopping in the future.

That's likely to mean more than just expanded floor space for plus sizes. Department-store buyers and boutique owners say the data will help them integrate better-fitting clothing throughout their stores.

"This has the potential to lead to the revision of sizes, and maybe add to new sizes that reflect our change in our shape," says Jim Lovejoy, the survey's director.

Back in 1941, the last time a size survey was done, researchers took the measurements of mostly white men and women to make uniforms for the armed services. Women then averaged a size 8, with chest, waist and hip measurements of 35-27-37.5. Today, white women between 18 and 35 come in solidly at 39.1-32.6-41.8, the SizeUSA survey says.

In 1941, men averaged a 40-regular; with chest at 40 inches, waist at 34 inches, and hips 40 inches. Today, white men 18 to 35 come in at an average 41.7-inch chest, 35.6-inch waist, and 41.2-inch hips.

"I think an actual survey is what was needed to change how the retailer viewed the customer," says Nate Herman, an international trade adviser and economic expert for the American Apparel Association. "The study can completely reorient what sizes manufacturers make."

Even a change in how we view our bodies may be possible if a size 14-16 woman is now just average and no longer poised on the boundary of big.

In recent years, department stores began noticing that, for some women, shopping is more of a chore than an outing. Buying a suit, especially a pantsuit, can mean trying on umpteen tops and dozens of trousers because sizes differ from designer to designer, and season to season.

With the SizeUSA data, department-store chains say, they hope to standardize sizes at least in the collections they design and manufacture - their own private-label brands, which are becoming more important because they are one way a department store can stand out.

J.C. Penney, for instance, plans to cut new patterns for its Worthington (women's wear) and Stafford (menswear) brands based on the SizeUSA specs. The clothes will be roomier, spokeswoman Christi Byrd Smith says, and will be adjusted so women with a size 6 waist and size 12 hips can find something comfortable.

"When you get into tailored clothing, the sizing is more critical," Smith says. "The majority of clothes in the industry don't fit body types anymore. Women are frustrated because there is no consistent sizing."

Buyers at Federated Department Stores, which includes Macy's and Bloomingdale's, are using the survey results to ensure women's and men's outerwear sizes correlate to undergarments, panty hose and shoes.

"There is a disconnect," Gale Weisenfeld, a vice president at Federated, says. "If you are wearing a 16 to 18 pant, then you are not wearing a size 5 in underpants and you'll need shells that are large, not small or medium."

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TC2 is a nonprofit research and technology firm specializing in sewn products. About four years ago, it introduced its latest digital body scanner.

People are scanned wearing spandex shorts and sports bras that don't alter the body's shape. It takes 12 seconds for flashing white lights to record measurements from more than 200,000 points on the body, which will later translate to more than 200 dimensions that correspond to hips, bust, and neck, length of arms, and so on.

About two years ago, Lovejoy and his staff embarked on the SizeUSA survey. With contributions from industry big guns including Penney's and Sarah Lee (the parent company of Hanes), they took a digital scanner to 13 cities, measuring blacks, whites and Hispanics, among others, ages 18 to 65. In all, about 6,300 women and 3,700 men passed through the scanner.

Researchers are still culling information from the nearly 1,000-page SizeUSA report. But some of the early findings include evidence that black women are bigger than white women and more likely to have a pear shape. Hispanic women are not quite as big as black women, but are bigger than their white counterparts and have "rounder" stomachs. Women over 55 of all races are less likely to have defined waists, and white women's stomachs are more likely to stick out an inch or more past the waist.

Hispanic men, the report says, are smaller than their black and white counterparts.

"All the measurements get bigger as people get older," Lovejoy says. "It's not new news... . The value comes in when people start trying to follow a particular customer set, like the baby boomer."

The data also suggest that body proportions are morphing. For example, women with smaller busts now have hips that years ago were typical of women with bigger busts. Lovejoy says that may be because more people are of mixed race today and people in general are less active.

Income doesn't seem to alter our size, the report says. People who made less than $49,000 a year had the same measurements as those who made more than $75,000.

And the findings show both men and women have gained an average of four pounds since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recorded average height and weight in 1994. Women now average 144 pounds; men average 175.

Lovejoy says he's heard from anthropologists who think the data have the potential to help them gain a better understanding of modern-day evolution. TC2 is helping conduct size surveys in Mexico and London.

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The most positive change to come from the data may be a shift in how we view our bodies, but that's several years off, fashion experts say.

If women, despite what they see in the media, can make the mental jump and embrace their size 14-16 frames as normal, it may force designers and retailers to stop lumping those bigger than size 14 into the plus category - where style sometimes takes a back seat.

Some retailers believe plus-size women like having their own departments and designer labels because it makes shopping easier. "They don't have to wade through size 2's and 4's," says Diane Daly, fashion spokeswoman for May Co., which includes Strawbridge's.

And some designers believe their customers don't measure more than a size 12. If they do, those designers say, the economic impact is so minimal it's not worth making the fashions bigger.

"These designers know their markets and are happy with them," says Sandra DePue, adjunct instructor in the senior design school at Moore College of Art & Design.

The real change will come, she says, when designers admit most of their business comes from regular people, not from celebrities made perfect with tummy tucks.

"In their heads, designers are designing for actors and actresses who are glamorous," DePue says. "I don't see where sizing is going to change that concept until we change our minds about what's beautiful."


And here are the charts:

Size Standard in 1941 for women


Bust 35.0

Waist 27.0

Hips 37.5


White Women 18-35

39.1 32.6. 41.8

Black Women 18-35

41.2 34.3. 44.0

Hispanic women 18-35

40.3 33.7 41.8


White women 36-65

41.5 35.1 43.9

Black women 36-65

43.5 37.4 45.9

Hispanic women 36-65

43.0 36.5 43.9

 

[Lena]

Are you sure, that Victoria wears a bigger size than Madeleine? I ask, because in recent photos Madeleine looks bigger
http://www.polfoto.dk/Polfoto/Photo/Live/watermarking/ch106981_guest.jpg
The strange thing is, that people ALWAYS have this picture of a plump Victoria with chubby cheeks in their minds...and a picture of a super-thin Madeleine. And IMO all this was reality in 2000 or 2001. But in the last years Victoria´s face became much thinner (her face looks more mature now) and Madeleine has re-gained a little weight (as young teenager she was chubbier too)...

 

[theprincess]

IMO it is inappropriate to talk about Princess Madeleine and the size of clothing she wears. It is almost the same as talking about her weight which is considered rude in North American society. Instead why not talk about where she buys her clothing and her clothing in general.

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by theprincess@Apr 12th, 2004 - 3:54 pm
It is almost the same as talking about her weight which is considered rude in North American society.

Yes...but why?? Actually (just out of a scientific view) the weight of a person is as exciting or as boring as the weight of a bottle of milk. It´s just the attitude of the people towards this topic, which makes it controversial. The question itself isn´t controversial...it´s only the tolerance or intolerance of the people, which makes it. In other words... It belongs to us, if we want to accept, that some people have smaller sizes and some larger... and so far nobody here has said something offending...

 

[Dennism]

Nice photos, I suppose but they should have let them alone so they could do their tanning in peace.

 

[Lena]

BTW...I wonder, why in one picture isn´t a carpet hanging on the balustrade of the balcony, but in all others...is this their kind of "paparazzi-protection", or came "Mamma Bergström" in the meanwhile on the balcony and asked them to beat the carpet, so that the dust gets out of it?

 

[Dennism]

Originally posted by Lena@Apr 14th, 2004 - 10:44 pm
BTW...I wonder, why in one picture isn´t a carpet hanging on the balustrade of the balcony, but in all others...is this their kind of "paparazzi-protection", or came "Mamma Bergström" in the meanwhile on the balcony and asked them to beat the carpet, so that the dust gets out of it?

Yes, paparazzi-protection. And notice Jonas in the last photo. Looks like he is grabbing her head like it were a basketball.

 

[Yennie]

oh, nice pictures! But poor Jonas and Madeleine, they paparazzis wont even leave them alone when they are at home...
but its good for us

where are the pictures from, which site?

 

[Lena]

The pix are from www.fotomarktplatz.de ...but you have to register (in german) to see the big versions...
Nice to see you here again, Yennie! I appreciate your openness...I mean you say it loudly, that you enjoy to watch the pictures of the Paparazzos And I think the same...I mean it´s not nice of me to look at all these paparazzi-pictures, but it´s a fact- I´m a CUSTOMER of the paparazzos