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Old 04-05-2017, 10:18 AM
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I agree this can be quite intrusive. I don't buy the argument that if your father is a monarch, you have no right to privacy when you are out and about.
I don't understand the problem, we are talking about public people in a public space being photographed - I don't see anyone harrassed in the pictures.

You just can't switch from public to private when it suits you, it might not be fair but this is reality.
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:49 AM
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Expressen writes about Chris's business trip to Sweden yesterday, that he landed to Arlanda just before eleven. He was taken to airport's Vip-service and after that he was taken to Stockholm with a car belonging to the Royal Court/Royal Mews. Expressen also repeats the story about that Chris's company has had million losses.
Chris O'Neill på blixtvisit i Sverige – utan Madeleine _ Kungligt _ Expressen
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:52 AM
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Who will pay the million losses ? His Mother??
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:24 PM
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Hmm, is this true? I don't live in Sweden, I have nothing to do with the country and have no Swedish friends at all - but I am interested in their royal family and always enjoy new pics.

Why should the Londoners think different? There will also live some people who like news about foreign royalty and some don't.

On topic - the pictures are lovely. Number 6 is the first one I see the kids interact. Very cute!
Yes it is true. Majority of Londoners are unaware of foreign royalty. Of course, a few of them are royal watchers but most pictures of Madeleine's family are taken by the Swedish press. UK's media outlets are either unaware or can't be bothered to pick up information of Madeleine unless it involves a popular member of the BRF ( like William, Kate or Harry ).
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Old 04-06-2017, 04:39 AM
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Expressen writes about Chris's business trip to Sweden yesterday, that he landed to Arlanda just before eleven. He was taken to airport's Vip-service and after that he was taken to Stockholm with a car belonging to the Royal Court/Royal Mews. Expressen also repeats the story about that Chris's company has had million losses.
Chris O'Neill på blixtvisit i Sverige – utan Madeleine _ Kungligt _ Expressen
That is exactly why Chris will never be seen as a private person by the media - he is the King's son in law and will get the royal treatment whenever it suits.

If he is really a private person, how about leaving the airport as Joe Average queuing up for a taxi or paying for a private shuttle service.
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Old 04-06-2017, 04:49 AM
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Who will pay the million losses ? His Mother??
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:00 AM
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Expressen writes about Chris's business trip to Sweden yesterday, that he landed to Arlanda just before eleven. He was taken to airport's Vip-service and after that he was taken to Stockholm with a car belonging to the Royal Court/Royal Mews. Expressen also repeats the story about that Chris's company has had million losses.
Chris O'Neill på blixtvisit i Sverige – utan Madeleine _ Kungligt _ Expressen
I feel a little sorry for Chris. Whatever he does, he gets negative press So he visited Stockholm without Madeleine...used VIP service...Royal Court's car....so what? He's expected to attend at the royal events but if there's something done for the king's son-in-law for a change..its a big deal. And is it sure the Swedish tax-payers paid for his plane ticket and all the services provided?
Chris could have taken the title when he married princess Madeleine, he and his family would have been supported by the Swedish tax payers and in return he would have attended some official events per a week or month and his life would have been secured and taken care of. But he is not the prince. Yet, he attends at many royal events and supports his wife whenever he can and his work schedule allows.
Chris didn't go for easier way. He wanted to earn his money, support his family. It seemed honest doing and I like him for this. And lets be honest: little country like Sweden doesn't need so many full-time working royals! As it is there are not much work events for Madeleine, Carl Philip, Sofia and Daniel, so if there had been another full-time royal, well, its overkill.
I fear Chris did not expect for all the media attention he staarts to attract. There have been so many gossip articles about him and all those [dubious] stories could very easily affect Chris's business, make things more complicated and bring on losses. As I haven't seen Chris's company's book-keeping, then I don't know for sure whether Chris's company is in any big financial trouble, but I'm sure he's doing his best to come out of it if there are torubles. He looks like a man who's purposeful and wants to succeed.

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Old 04-06-2017, 05:08 AM
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I feel a little sorry for Chris. Whatever he does, he gets negative press So he visited Stockholm without Madeleine...used VIP service...Royal Court's car....so what? He's expected to attend at the royal events but if there's something done for the king's son-in-law for a change..its a big deal. And is it sure the Swedish tax-payers paid for his plane ticket and all the services provided?
Chris could have taken the title when he married princess Madeleine, he and his family would have been supported by the Swedish tax payers and in return he would have attended some official events per a week or month and his life would have been secured and taken care of. But he is not the prince. Yet, he attends at many royal events and supports his wife whenever he can and his work schedule allows.
Chris didn't go for easier way. He wanted to earn his money, support his family. It seemed honest doing and I like him for this. And lets be honest: little country like Sweden doesn't need so many full-time working royals! As it is there are not much work events for Madeleine, Carl Philip, Sofia and Daniel, so if there had been another full-time royal, well, its overkill.
I fear Chris did not expect for all the media attention he staarts to attract. There have been so many gossip articles about him and all those [dubious] stories could very easily affect Chris's business, make things more complicated and bring on losses. As I haven't seen Chris's company's book-keeping, then I don't know for sure whether Chris's company is in any big financial trouble, but I'm sure he's doing his best to come out of it if there are torubles. He looks like a man who's purposeful and wants to succeed.

Well said! I've seen worse wastage of taxpayers money by politician family members
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:37 AM
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I don't see the Expressen article as negative but I am not so naive to believe that there will not be negative fallout. Chris used a royal resource as part of a private business endeavor, it's not a big deal in terms of costs but it is (or could be) an optics issue, and I know in some locales that would be a big no-no for a government (or quasi-government) resource to be used this way.

Regarding living in London, I really hope that there is no quote from Madeleine or Chris indicating that they thought that, of all places, London provided them with greater privacy. There are reasons for them to be based out of London but privacy, and in particular not being a paparazzi target, is not one of them.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:54 AM
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I don't see the Expressen article as negative but I am not so naive to believe that there will not be negative fallout. Chris used a royal resource as part of a private business endeavor, it's not a big deal in terms of costs but it is (or could be) an optics issue, and I know in some locales that would be a big no-no for a government (or quasi-government) resource to be used this way.

Regarding living in London, I really hope that there is no quote from Madeleine or Chris indicating that they thought that, of all places, London provided them with greater privacy. There are reasons for them to be based out of London but privacy, and in particular not being a paparazzi target, is not one of them.
Gossip web magazine Stoppa Pressarna has taken note on Expressen's article and attacks Chris again.
Chris O'Neill's shady luxury trip - without Madeleine
In great secrecy Chris O'Neill traveled away from London - without Madeleine. The husband of the princess traveled like a king through the VIP lounge and with his own private chauffeur. Now his extravagant travel habits are questioned by people in court.
During the journey Chris O'Neill traveled more like royalty than an ordinary businessman. When the plane arrived the husband of the princess was transferred directly to the airport's luxurious VIP lounge, where he was picked up by a chauffeur who drove him to Stockholm.
According to Expressen, the car was from the Royal Mews - that is, one of the king's cars. That Chris uses the royal benefits for his own purposes both surprises and upsets the people in the court.
- He gave up a prince title in order to continue with his company. But this now means that he uses the royal family's privileges for himself. If Christopher was now on a business trip, his own company should have been responsible for both the trip and the transportation to Stockholm. This is murky and smells so clearly bad, says an employee with whom Stoppa Pressarna has talked with.
Chris skumma lyxresa – utan Madeleine _ Stoppa Pressarna
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:08 AM
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I agree the Stoppa Pressarna article is negative (and dubious) but that is the nature of that publication.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:11 AM
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Gossip web magazine Stoppa Pressarna has taken note on Expressen's article and attacks Chris again.
Chris O'Neill's shady luxury trip - without Madeleine
In great secrecy Chris O'Neill traveled away from London - without Madeleine. The husband of the princess traveled like a king through the VIP lounge and with his own private chauffeur. Now his extravagant travel habits are questioned by people in court.
During the journey Chris O'Neill traveled more like royalty than an ordinary businessman. When the plane arrived the husband of the princess was transferred directly to the airport's luxurious VIP lounge, where he was picked up by a chauffeur who drove him to Stockholm.
According to Expressen, the car was from the Royal Mews - that is, one of the king's cars. That Chris uses the royal benefits for his own purposes both surprises and upsets the people in the court.
- He gave up a prince title in order to continue with his company. But this now means that he uses the royal family's privileges for himself. If Christopher was now on a business trip, his own company should have been responsible for both the trip and the transportation to Stockholm. This is murky and smells so clearly bad, says an employee with whom Stoppa Pressarna has talked with.
Chris skumma lyxresa – utan Madeleine _ Stoppa Pressarna
In essence, this article is questioning the right of the monarch to lend a car and driver of his to his own son-in-law.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:28 AM
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Gossip web magazine Stoppa Pressarna has taken note on Expressen's article and attacks Chris again.
Chris O'Neill's shady luxury trip - without Madeleine
In great secrecy Chris O'Neill traveled away from London - without Madeleine. The husband of the princess traveled like a king through the VIP lounge and with his own private chauffeur. Now his extravagant travel habits are questioned by people in court.
During the journey Chris O'Neill traveled more like royalty than an ordinary businessman. When the plane arrived the husband of the princess was transferred directly to the airport's luxurious VIP lounge, where he was picked up by a chauffeur who drove him to Stockholm.
According to Expressen, the car was from the Royal Mews - that is, one of the king's cars. That Chris uses the royal benefits for his own purposes both surprises and upsets the people in the court.
- He gave up a prince title in order to continue with his company. But this now means that he uses the royal family's privileges for himself. If Christopher was now on a business trip, his own company should have been responsible for both the trip and the transportation to Stockholm. This is murky and smells so clearly bad, says an employee with whom Stoppa Pressarna has talked with.
Chris skumma lyxresa – utan Madeleine _ Stoppa Pressarna
Wow this is so silly. Trust me, taking somebody who's a VIP to the airport VIP lounge (which is by the way, never all that great...especially if they're airport VIP lounges and not VIP lounges by airline companies for business and first class travelers) and then having a car for that VIP is strictly protocol. It's afforded to retired Ambassadors, foreign dignitaries, and in most countries, basically anyone according to the discretion of government officials. I imagine the King can afford this courtesy to anyone he chooses. In diplomatic speak, it's simply "port courtesies." Also, if Chris O'Neill were to travel to any country he chooses, even on private trips, his wife's office can actually ask any Ministry of Foreign Affairs in any country in the world for the same treatment to be accorded to him. It is simply courtesy. From a security perspective, this also saves people a lot of headache. The quicker you can get a VIP in and out of the airport, the better and safer for everyone.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:54 AM
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In essence, this article is questioning the right of the monarch to lend a car and driver of his to his own son-in-law.
I actually agree with questioning Chris using a royal resource as part of a private business trip. IMO other parts of the article are rubbish like calling it a secret trip, bringing up that Madeleine is not with him, saying he traveled like a King, uhm no he traveled like a business person, and referring to his travel habits as extravagant.

Again I agree with questioning Chris' use of a car from the Royal Mews but I don't deem it automatically wrong, more like needing to get a better understanding of how much discretion the King has in the use of the assets entrusted to him.
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Old 04-06-2017, 12:17 PM
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I actually agree with questioning Chris using a royal resource as part of a private business trip. IMO other parts of the article are rubbish like calling it a secret trip, bringing up that Madeleine is not with him, saying he traveled like a King, uhm no he traveled like a business person, and referring to his travel habits as extravagant.

Again I agree with questioning Chris' use of a car from the Royal Mews but I don't deem it automatically wrong, more like needing to get a better understanding of how much discretion the King has in the use of the assets entrusted to him.
If one starts questioning the King when he sends a car to pick up his son in law from the airport, we had also start questioning him on how any rooms are heated in the royal palace ie if the king ate a second helping at a state dinner. Absolutely preposterous, IMO.
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:03 PM
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I question a car being sent to pick up his son-in-law when his son-in-law comes to town for a private business trip. I would not question it if Chris were arriving in town to do a royal event. However my sensibilities are based on accepted business practices in my culture, if it turns out that this is consistent with Swedish business practices or that the King has broad discretion with the assets he's been entrusted with, then, on that basis, I don't have a problem with it.

I also came across an article on Stoppa Pressarna that Bernadotte & Kylberg's design studio is housed at the Royal Mews and that caught my eye as well, but again I want more information. First of all, is it even true, I want another source in addition to Stoppa Pressarna. Then if true is the Royal Mews like Kensington Palace and if so is the design studio housed in the part of the Mews designated for private use or the part for royal use?

I think that having private life and royal life commingling is the way things are moving as you get more and more situations like Princess Madeleine marrying a business person and Prince Carl Philip being both a working royal and a business person, and as a result new rules and norms will have to be established.
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:10 PM
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I question a car being sent to pick up his son-in-law when his son-in-law comes to town for a private business trip. I would not question it if Chris were arriving in town to do a royal event. However my sensibilities are based on accepted business practices in my culture, if it turns out that this is consistent with Swedish business practices or that the King has broad discretion with the assets he's been entrusted with, then, on that basis, I don't have a problem with it.
What if, whilst Chris was in Stockholm on business, he stayed at the royal palace for a night? Would that be wrong as well?

My broader point is about materiality, and applying a common sense approach to some of these matters, which can often get missed.
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:19 PM
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I feel a little sorry for Chris. Whatever he does, he gets negative press So he visited Stockholm without Madeleine...used VIP service...Royal Court's car....so what? He's expected to attend at the royal events but if there's something done for the king's son-in-law for a change..its a big deal. And is it sure the Swedish tax-payers paid for his plane ticket and all the services provided?
Chris could have taken the title when he married princess Madeleine, he and his family would have been supported by the Swedish tax payers and in return he would have attended some official events per a week or month and his life would have been secured and taken care of. But he is not the prince. Yet, he attends at many royal events and supports his wife whenever he can and his work schedule allows.
Chris didn't go for easier way. He wanted to earn his money, support his family. It seemed honest doing and I like him for this. And lets be honest: little country like Sweden doesn't need so many full-time working royals! As it is there are not much work events for Madeleine, Carl Philip, Sofia and Daniel, so if there had been another full-time royal, well, its overkill.
I fear Chris did not expect for all the media attention he staarts to attract. There have been so many gossip articles about him and all those [dubious] stories could very easily affect Chris's business, make things more complicated and bring on losses. As I haven't seen Chris's company's book-keeping, then I don't know for sure whether Chris's company is in any big financial trouble, but I'm sure he's doing his best to come out of it if there are torubles. He looks like a man who's purposeful and wants to succeed.

you raise some good points. i agree, i respect chris for his decision to not choose 'the easy way'. also, like you, i also think there's too many full time royals in the new generation of the SRF. chris being a prince or not, it really doesn't matter much. check out how many events CP, sofia and madeleine actually attend which are not very many. i suspect chris, if he were prince, would have a very limited amount of activities too.
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Gossip web magazine Stoppa Pressarna has taken note on Expressen's article and attacks Chris again.
Chris O'Neill's shady luxury trip - without Madeleine
In great secrecy Chris O'Neill traveled away from London - without Madeleine. The husband of the princess traveled like a king through the VIP lounge and with his own private chauffeur. Now his extravagant travel habits are questioned by people in court.
During the journey Chris O'Neill traveled more like royalty than an ordinary businessman. When the plane arrived the husband of the princess was transferred directly to the airport's luxurious VIP lounge, where he was picked up by a chauffeur who drove him to Stockholm.
According to Expressen, the car was from the Royal Mews - that is, one of the king's cars. That Chris uses the royal benefits for his own purposes both surprises and upsets the people in the court.
- He gave up a prince title in order to continue with his company. But this now means that he uses the royal family's privileges for himself. If Christopher was now on a business trip, his own company should have been responsible for both the trip and the transportation to Stockholm. This is murky and smells so clearly bad, says an employee with whom Stoppa Pressarna has talked with.
Chris skumma lyxresa – utan Madeleine _ Stoppa Pressarna
I totally understand why the Royal Court staff should be upset. If Chris doesn't want to be a prince or a royal duke, it is unacceptable that he uses royal transportation in a private business trip.
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Do you really think that Chris O'Neill has so much influence with the royal court that he can simply order people to send a car to pick him up at the airport? If that car was sent to pick him up at the airport, then this order must have come from someone higher (e.g the king?). Should Chris have refused to sit in the car and send it away empty?
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