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Old 07-21-2015, 02:18 AM
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This confirms his attitude as I suspect it.

He is his own man, but respects his wife's position and her responsibilities in Switzerland and will do his best to support her.

He never intended to live in Sweden.

He is a little troubled by the adverse publicity but doesn't really care about tabloid opinion.

There is NO issue with the SRF.

He is a very decent guy.
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Old 07-21-2015, 04:15 AM
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Thank you, LadyFinn

The essential reason why they don't settle in Sweden makes perfect sense from a family perspective as summarized here: Prinsesse Madeleines mand taler ud: Derfor kan vi ikke bo i Sverige alligevel - Royale | www.bt.dk

I like that he has realized that he is a public figure whether he likes it or not and that he in hindsight should have been less reserved in regards to the press. That indicates a man who has and can learn and that is never a bad thing.
I think this interview will (deservedly) improve certainly Chris' reputation among the Swedes.
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Old 07-21-2015, 04:32 AM
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Thank you, LadyFinn

The essential reason why they don't settle in Sweden makes perfect sense from a family perspective as summarized here: Prinsesse Madeleines mand taler ud: Derfor kan vi ikke bo i Sverige alligevel - Royale | www.bt.dk

I like that he has realized that he is a public figure whether he likes it or not and that he in hindsight should have been less reserved in regards to the press. That indicates a man who has and can learn and that is never a bad thing.
I think this interview will (deservedly) improve certainly Chris' reputation among the Swedes.
I agree. It shows great character to point on prior "mistaakes" and learn from them.
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:50 AM
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The essential reason why they don't settle in Sweden makes perfect sense from a family perspective as summarized here: Prinsesse Madeleines mand taler ud: Derfor kan vi ikke bo i Sverige alligevel - Royale | www.bt.dk
It makes perfect sense from Christopher O'Neill's perspective and to suit his own personal and professional interests. It doesn't make any sense from the perspective of Madeleine and her children, who, as princes of Sweden, should stay in the country as required BTW by law.

In fact, I find it curious that Chris thinks that commuting frequently between London and Sweden "wouldn't work for him", but he has no problem with his wife's having to do it frequently to do "her job", even though she has two little children to look after. I also found his line about being the "breadwinner" extremely sexist and old-fashioned. Unsurprisingly we also found out from the interview that leaning Swedish continues to rank pretty low on Mr. O'Neill's list of priorities.


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I think this interview will (deservedly) improve certainly Chris' reputation among the Swedes.
Judging from the reactions on this forum, it might. I'm not Swedish and it's none of my business, but, to me, that interview doesn't change anything. It just confirms the profile and opinions I expected from Chris. I am also disappointed the interviewer didn't press him further on the issue of moving out of Sweden to avoid tax disclosure.
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Old 07-21-2015, 10:11 AM
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It makes perfect sense from Christopher O'Neill's perspective and to suit his own personal and professional interests. It doesn't make any sense from the perspective of Madeleine and her children, who, as princes of Sweden, should stay in the country as required BTW by law.

In fact, I find it curious that Chris thinks that commuting frequently between London and Sweden "wouldn't work for him", but he has no problem with his wife's having to do it frequently to do "her job", even though she has two little children to look after. I also found his line about being the "breadwinner" extremely sexist and old-fashioned. Unsurprisingly we also found out from the interview that leaning Swedish continues to rank pretty low on Mr. O'Neill's list of priorities.




Judging from the reactions on this forum, it might. I'm not Swedish and it's none of my business, but, to me, that interview doesn't change anything. It just confirms the profile and opinions I expected from Chris. I am also disappointed the interviewer didn't press him further on the issue of moving out of Sweden to avoid tax disclosure.
That's probably because he is conservative.
And that does not surprise me at all!
He is the type of man who comes home from work. Kiss his wife who is waiting for him with the dinner. Then he'll play a little with the children before putting on his slippers and evening jacket.
All he needs is a pipe, a newspaper and the wireless next to the armchair he is sitting in. He would fit in perfectly in a middle class home anno 1955.

I think the role as a husband to a royal would not suit him well. In that respect he would find a kindred spirit in Prince Henrik in DK! And to some extent perhaps in the Duke of Edinburgh.
While Daniel is well suited to the more egalitarian role he has.

I will also, like you it seems, maintain that Chris O'Neil would find Sweden a trifle too socialist for his taste, not least tax-wise.

But at least he has explained the reasons behind what is being done, whether one agrees with them or not. He is simply arch-conservative.

In the eyes of Chris O'Neil, he is the breadwinner, when he gets a new job, the family moves along and that's it! Madeleine may be a princess, but in his eyes, she is first and foremost Mrs. O'Neil and mother to his children. Whether that has really dawned on her yet remains to be seen.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:28 AM
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Very nice interview. As to those questioning things, I would imagine all this came up before they got married. It's evident that Maddie is agreeable to how things are.

He is the breadwinner, has nothing to do with being 1950's. Unless you are trying to say that Maddie could support the family on whatever stipend she gets for her appearances and that she is being prevented from doing so.

Some women like it that they don't have to support the family, they like staying home and being the primary caregiver, they like being in those roles. So everyone stop assuming that he's some sort of sexist pig that is forcing his poor downtrodden wife to make all the sacrifices. Looks to me like it's a joint decision. He didn't just go rogue and do an interview without telling anyone what was going to be said.


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Old 07-21-2015, 11:56 AM
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Easy now. Who claimed Chris is a sexist pig?

I believe he is very conservative and that he identify himself as and feel comfortable in the traditional male role as the family breadwinner.
I do not believe he would feel comfortable in the role as supporting husband to a royal.

That's how he is. Whether that is good or bad in relation to his marriage is not up to any of us, that's up to Madeleine.

The interview has provided a deeper look into the character and mindset of Chris O'Neil and it has provided an explanation for why they don't settle in Sweden.
Chris does not fit into the politically correct Swedish "feminist husband" but at least he is not a hypocrite and that is good thing.

Having said that, being married to a conservative husband, that's Madeleine's headache. What is interesting to me is what role, if any at all, Chris will have in regards to the SRF.
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Old 07-21-2015, 12:43 PM
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That's the tone that's coming across and the words 'sexist' were used...because Chris is not a feminist husband this somehow equates to that it is wrong or that there's a problem with him for not being one.

Just like you say being married to a conservative husband is Maddie's headache...she wouldn't of married him if she thought that was going to be a headache.

Enough with the name calling because 'you' (meaning anyone here) don't agree with how a person choses to believe or live.

Looks to me like his role, as has been pointed out all along, is going to be limited to times where he can get away from his job other than family events that he really can't miss (like the baptism etc).


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Old 07-21-2015, 12:54 PM
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What is interesting to me is what role, if any at all, Chris will have in regards to the SRF.
IMO, in the SRF, Chris' role will be a minor, supporting one. Frankly, to me, Maddie herself has a minor supporting role. V&D will increasingly take the spotlight, and will be supported by C-P & S.

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That's how he is. Whether that is good or bad in relation to his marriage is not up to any of us, that's up to Madeleine.

The interview has provided a deeper look into the character and mindset of Chris O'Neil and it has provided an explanation for why they don't settle in Sweden.
Chris does not fit into the politically correct Swedish "feminist husband" but at least he is not a hypocrite and that is good thing.
I am sure all of these matters were agreed before the wedding. Chris has a career that requires him to be in the US or in London. Maddie has an increasingly minor role to play in Sweden, and she can commute 4-5 times a year and carry out a few engagements supporting her charities and at key family events. I don't think there is anything particularly conservative about it. If Maddie was the Crown Princess, it would have been different. Actually, if maddie had ever been a particularly hard working royal, things could have been different. This is what she chose. Lets not judge Chris for this.
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Old 07-21-2015, 01:40 PM
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In Scandinavian context and in particular Swedish context, a husband defining himself as "the breadwinner of the family" is considered a conservative statement and something very few Swedish husbands would dream about saying out loud.
In Sweden it is very common for men to define themselves as feminists.

In that light while some, in Sweden in particular, might fume at what Chris said, I personally can't help chuckle because I find it delightfully politically incorrect. - And honest.

This has got nothing to do with Chris being "a sexist pig" or name calling or conservative being a bad thing. It's merely how I look at and interprete what he said based on my cultural background.
- And surely I know better what I mean when I write something, eh?
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Old 07-21-2015, 01:42 PM
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He sounds like a mature family man who understands the responsibilities his wife has, even if he might not like them.

It's highly likely he didn't make this decision alone, which means Princess Madeleine aproves.
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Old 07-21-2015, 01:59 PM
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I can't get past Madeleine registering her family in Sweden and stating that their residency status was permanent.

I think the significance of Chris claiming himself the breadwinner is to explain what is driving where the family lives.

I don't presume that Chris is some kind of autocrat, in fact I get more of a vibe that he is an adoring husband who is trying to satisfy his wife's needs and that Madeleine more likely is the one changing the terms of what was agreed to because she misses Sweden and her family more than she expected and Chris is trying to accommodate her. Hopefully London will be the right situation for them for the next few years but it still remains to be seen how they are going to handle residency requirement for their titled children.
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:52 PM
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I am at a bit of a loss here, how did Chris become a sexist conservative pig???? Somebody or bodies have to be the breadwinners in a family. Chris is the one in his family as is my husband in mine. Somebody might take care of the children, that might be Maddie as it was me in my family. That doesn't make anyone sexist or conservative, it happens to be what the family decides . If makes more sense for someone in finance to base their work in London than Stockholm ( no offense to all my Swedish friends but London is a larger financial center) and for Maddie to commute from time to time to events as needs be.He laid out the workings of his family in an honest way and lets not read more into it than that.
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In Scandinavian context and in particular Swedish context, a husband defining himself as "the breadwinner of the family" is considered a conservative statement and something very few Swedish husbands would dream about saying out loud.
In Sweden it is very common for men to define themselves as feminists.

In that light while some, in Sweden in particular, might fume at what Chris said, I personally can't help chuckle because I find it delightfully politically incorrect. - And honest.

This has got nothing to do with Chris being "a sexist pig" or name calling or conservative being a bad thing. It's merely how I look at and interprete what he said based on my cultural background.
- And surely I know better what I mean when I write something, eh?
I agree. It was a little jarring for me to read :P Very foreign and "old" to me. Not blaming him or saying that is not their choice. But the use of the words are very non-swedish as you say!
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He sounds like a mature family man who understands the responsibilities his wife has, even if he might not like them.

It's highly likely he didn't make this decision alone, which means Princess Madeleine aproves.

I agree. Perhaps it's a cultural difference but I saw nothing condescending or uncomfortable about Chris's remarks.

I think Princess Madeleine and her children are very lucky.
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That's probably because he is conservative.
And that does not surprise me at all!
He is the type of man who comes home from work. Kiss his wife who is waiting for him with the dinner. Then he'll play a little with the children before putting on his slippers and evening jacket.
All he needs is a pipe, a newspaper and the wireless next to the armchair he is sitting in. He would fit in perfectly in a middle class home anno 1955.

I think the role as a husband to a royal would not suit him well. In that respect he would find a kindred spirit in Prince Henrik in DK! And to some extent perhaps in the Duke of Edinburgh.
While Daniel is well suited to the more egalitarian role he has.

I will also, like you it seems, maintain that Chris O'Neil would find Sweden a trifle too socialist for his taste, not least tax-wise.

But at least he has explained the reasons behind what is being done, whether one agrees with them or not. He is simply arch-conservative.

In the eyes of Chris O'Neil, he is the breadwinner, when he gets a new job, the family moves along and that's it! Madeleine may be a princess, but in his eyes, she is first and foremost Mrs. O'Neil and mother to his children. Whether that has really dawned on her yet remains to be seen.
You cannot compare the Duke of Edinburgh or Prince Consort of Demark to Chris. In both those cases, they married the heir and future regents.


Chris isn't arch-conserative - it's perhaps many cannot fathom Chris refusing a royal title, continuing his career and calling a spade a spade.
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I don't see him as arch-conservative either. What has he ever said or done in his life that would give anyone that idea?


I have my own ideas about what constitutes conservatism and Christopher O'Neill falls short on almost every level.
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I don't see him as arch-conservative either. What has he ever said or done in his life that would give anyone that idea?


I have my own ideas about what constitutes conservatism and Christopher O'Neill falls short on almost every level.
His lifestyle and comments are VERY conservative here in Sweden.
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In Sweden they are conservative. But in this situation, he had to clarify that they dont live off the taxpayers, he works so he cant be at every event. He couldnt give doubts the Srf is supporting them, especially since the media check even on his Rolex. Madde does few events, she is paid nothing for her work at Childhood... So it's Chris that works.
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It makes perfect sense from Christopher O'Neill's perspective and to suit his own personal and professional interests. It doesn't make any sense from the perspective of Madeleine and her children, who, as princes of Sweden, should stay in the country as required BTW by law.

In fact, I find it curious that Chris thinks that commuting frequently between London and Sweden "wouldn't work for him", but he has no problem with his wife's having to do it frequently to do "her job", even though she has two little children to look after. I also found his line about being the "breadwinner" extremely sexist and old-fashioned. Unsurprisingly we also found out from the interview that leaning Swedish continues to rank pretty low on Mr. O'Neill's list of priorities.




Judging from the reactions on this forum, it might. I'm not Swedish and it's none of my business, but, to me, that interview doesn't change anything. It just confirms the profile and opinions I expected from Chris. I am also disappointed the interviewer didn't press him further on the issue of moving out of Sweden to avoid tax disclosure.
Agree 100%!!
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