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Old 09-23-2015, 04:05 PM
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I think one coud not expecte Madeleine to make such a long jorney and to leave her children behind. I'm going to fully understand her here. Now, I wasn't expecting her to miss "Min Stora Dag", but that's another story. I think I'm going to see how things will develop as I'm starting forming my idea over this matter...
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:50 AM
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Can't she just make up her mind and get it over with?! Release a statement saying you step back from your official duties and responsibilities to focus on a new life in the UK, put your kids in a British school to get them out of the Line of succession and that'll be the end of that. Of course there's going to be headlines and grumbling in the press but that'll pass quickly and besides she's in the UK so she won't see much of it.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:57 AM
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Exactly, its ridiculous that the palace releases now a comment on everything Madeleine choses to do or not to do and why, while the reason given (kids, focus on family) is not good enough for every event (opening of Parliament yes but other events no), its bound to be critizised.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:58 AM
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:05 AM
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Agree. It is completely ridiculous. Τhe palace trying to save those who are not saved. You have to make a decision and make it back for now at least if you can not meet these minimum doing now.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:09 AM
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Exactly, its ridiculous that the palace releases now a comment on everything Madeleine choses to do or not to do and why, while the reason given (kids, focus on family) is not good enough for every event (opening of Parliament yes but other events no), its bound to be critizised.
Yes, and the problem at these cancellations is that obviously Madeleine has told to both World Childhood Foundation (ThankYou project has been her project) and Min Stora Dag that she will attend, and they have put "in the presence of HRH princess Madeleine" to adds and invitations. Then she cancels and Margareta Thorgren says that she has two young children. Didn't she think when she accepted to attend at these events that she will have a baby and another small child in September 2015, and at least a trip to New York isn't reasonable to do in these circumstances.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:38 AM
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I agree with all the posters above. The problem isn't her absence (that is understandable, she has two young children). The problem is that she makes promises, and then bails out in the last minute. Just let it go. Say that she will be on maternity leave for a year - maybe come home for Nobel - but that's it. Don't keep sending these mixed signals.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:40 AM
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Old 09-24-2015, 06:26 AM
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I think she likes being a princess and doesn't want to let that go , but she does have a husband who isn't keen , so she is trying to please him by doing family stuff but also she wants to keep the title of princess !! so she try's to do the charity things and then realises she has to stay home
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I think she likes being a princess and doesn't want to let that go , but she does have a husband who isn't keen , so she is trying to please him by doing family stuff but also she wants to keep the title of princess !! so she try's to do the charity things and then realises she has to stay home
I think they are in a process of trying to find their own balance. They are looking to balance what kind of family life they want to have with his and her roles. Right now it's not going very well it seems and it has gone very fast with wedding and 2 kids so I think right now is the first time they are actually letting things sink in. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will find a nice balance, but I think they should avoid making plans for her like that. I think it would be better if it got announced later as a plus. Better to tell late than to have to pull out. I mean... the New York thing should have never been schedueled/had her pull out when she found out she was pregnant.
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Old 09-24-2015, 06:51 AM
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I think she likes being a princess and doesn't want to let that go , but she does have a husband who isn't keen , so she is trying to please him by doing family stuff but also she wants to keep the title of princess !! so she try's to do the charity things and then realises she has to stay home
Exactly. I think that the Breadwinner at home has a clear view of things, but Madeleine doesnt, tries to fit in things that in the end cannot happen.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:23 AM
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Exactly. I think that the Breadwinner at home has a clear view of things, but Madeleine doesnt, tries to fit in things that in the end cannot happen.
I know what Madeleine is doing right now doesn't please a lot of people, but can stop all these mocking of Chris O'Neill stops. Everyone can say what you like about Madeleine, whether she wants to work or not , but I feel very sad comments like "breadwinner" keeps coming out and making fun of him.

There are men in my very conservative and traditional country who are breadwinners and they are not bad people at all. My husband used to be one of them as I was a stay at home mum for a few years, but that doesn't mean that I am a worthless and useless woman who allows my husband to trample on me. He is a good man who treats me with lots of respect.

If Mr Chris O'Neill is to come into my country, he receives lots of respect and the biggest round of applause.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:30 AM
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I know what Madeleine is doing right now doesn't please a lot of people, but can stop all these mocking of Chris O'Neill stops. Everyone can say what you like about Madeleine, whether she wants to work or not , but I feel very sad comments like "breadwinner" keeps coming out and making fun of him.

There are men in my very conservative and traditional country who are breadwinners and they are not bad people at all. My husband used to be one of them as I was a stay at home mum for a few years, but that doesn't mean that I am a worthless and useless woman who allows my husband to trample on me. He is a good man who treats me with lots of respect.

If Mr Chris O'Neill is to come into my country, he receives lots of respect and the biggest round of applause.
I'm not one of those who used it, but I think people use the word "breadwinner" as a fast way to point out what kind of lifestyle and arrangements he expects in his life. Just like many women would use a word like "independant" doesn't mean they wouldn't want a partnership with their partner and share, just how they view their arrangement. And since a "breadwinner" arrangement is not common in Sweden it is a part of the cultural change of what is expected of Madeleine both from Chris and Sweden. In her job, she is expected to work and in her life she is expected to be a mum. She has a hard balaance to try and figure out. I don't think anyone is meaning either of them are bad people for wanting that arrangement!! Just that their expectation is clashing a bunch with her life!
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:20 AM
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I'm not one of those who used it, but I think people use the word "breadwinner" as a fast way to point out what kind of lifestyle and arrangements he expects in his life. Just like many women would use a word like "independant" doesn't mean they wouldn't want a partnership with their partner and share, just how they view their arrangement. And since a "breadwinner" arrangement is not common in Sweden it is a part of the cultural change of what is expected of Madeleine both from Chris and Sweden. In her job, she is expected to work and in her life she is expected to be a mum. She has a hard balaance to try and figure out. I don't think anyone is meaning either of them are bad people for wanting that arrangement!! Just that their expectation is clashing a bunch with her life!
I agree with you and just to add - Chris referred to himself as 'the Breadwinner' in an interview he gave to Expressen
Royal husband tells of 'breadwinner' role - The Local
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:51 AM
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I think they are in a process of trying to find their own balance. They are looking to balance what kind of family life they want to have with his and her roles. Right now it's not going very well it seems and it has gone very fast with wedding and 2 kids so I think right now is the first time they are actually letting things sink in. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will find a nice balance, but I think they should avoid making plans for her like that. I think it would be better if it got announced later as a plus. Better to tell late than to have to pull out. I mean... the New York thing should have never been schedueled/had her pull out when she found out she was pregnant.
Good point. It has been going very fast for them. Plus the critical press. It seems to me that they have found a safe haven, nested and protected from the glare. I don't fault anyone in her situation. She thought she would be able to do things but now realizes otherwise. I'm okay with that.
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:53 AM
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I also think that this is a case of badly managing diaries and communications. The children are both very young, and due consideration should have been taken before accepting engagements in the US, especially when the Queen herself is attending.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:23 AM
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i find it bad that madeleine cancels her attendance to the gala. she probably knew when she was told of the event that she would be living in london by that point, or in europe, that the trip would be long and that she would have 2 small children to take care of. guests have probably paid for expensive tickets to see her and silvia, and cancelling on them just doesn't seem very royal to me.
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In principle, I would see no problem in Madeleine missing the My Big Day and the World Childhood Foundation events except that:

1. She attended the official opening of the Swedish parliament, even though she also had two little children at home back then.

2. She had confirmed she would attend both events she missed, invitations were issued saying she would be there (which has an impact on overall attendance), and she then bailed out at the last minute.
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In principle, I would see no problem in Madeleine missing the My Big Day and the World Childhood Foundation events except that:

1. She attended the official opening of the Swedish parliament, even though she also had two little children at home back then.

2. She had confirmed she would attend both events she missed, invitations were issued saying she would be there (which has an impact on overall attendance), and she then bailed out at the last minute.
Exactly. Had she just said to them when she got pregnant that she would not come to the New York thing and that the other thing would have to be decided colser and they didn't put her name on the invitations, it would have been no problem. I have no problem with her spending time with her children. Just how it's been handled. I mean... predicting that a New York trip so soon after having the kid would probably not work isn't exactly brainsurgery and it shows a lack of foresight from either themselves or the team...
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Wouldn't it be wild if Madeleine was in the family way again? Just being impish.

Madeleine may just not feel well. Can't plan for that.
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