Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 2: April 2012 - June 2014

[Marengo]

Welcome to the 2nd thread dedicated to press reports and discussion about Prince Carl-Philip of Sweden and Sofia Hellqvist. The previous thread can be found here.

 

[Biri]

Now when Guillaume is engaged, I have a feeling that Carl-Philip can be next! (soon after his niece's baptism) They have been together for more or less two years, just like Guillaume and Stephanie (and Carl-Philip is two years older than Guillaume).

And some weeks or months later, but yeat this year, his sister will do the same thing!

What do you think?

 

[Lenora]

Now when Guillaume is engaged, I have a feeling that Carl-Philip can be next! (soon after his niece's baptism) They have been together for more or less two years, just like Guillaume and Stephanie (and Carl-Philip is two years older than Guillaume).

And some weeks or months later, but yeat this year, his sister will do the same thing!

What do you think?

It will be interesting to see how will evaluate the relationships of both siblings, I do mean Carl-Phillip& Sophia and Madeleine&Chris. In both cases there are some moments: in case of Carl-Phillip many people do criticize and remember Sophia's past, in Madeleine's case maybe they prefer to wait more as her previous engagement broke up unhappily.

 

[American Dane]

Many thanks to Marengo for opening up another thread

IMO the engagement of C-P and Sofia differs immensely from the engagement of Guillaume and Stephanie, and not just because Guillaume is heir. Besides the fact that Stephanie was kept out of the limelight until today's announcement, there was never going to be any objection to her like there is about Sofia.

The issue of Sofia (and C-P)'s title after marriage is major. Sweden is a liberal country and yet Sofia's past has been received similarly if she was dating a royal in more conservative Britain or Spain. That speaks volumes IMHO. I don't have one Swedish friend, who are all in favour of the monarchy, who think she is worthy of being a princess.

I have no problem with him marrying her, because I believe everyone should marry whoever they love regardless, but he shouldn't be able to keep his title and thus represent Sweden.

There may well be an engagement announcement come June or later this year, but I hope it is between Mr. Carl-Philip Bernadotte and Miss Sofia Hellqvist

 

[Breffney]

The issue of Sofia (and C-P)'s title after marriage is major. Sweden is a liberal country and yet Sofia's past has been received similarly if she was dating a royal in more conservative Britain or Spain. That speaks volumes IMHO. I don't have one Swedish friend, who are all in favour of the monarchy, who think she is worthy of being a princess.

Perhaps we might see a scenario like that which happened in Luxembourg when Prince Louis married Tessy Antony. ?

He retained his style and title but gave up his succession rights. Tessy got no style or title.
Granted, that situation was changed a few years years later when the Grand Duke Henri gave her the title of Princess of Luxembourg with the style, Her Royal Highness.

 

[Meraude]

Perhaps we might see a scenario like that which happened in Luxembourg when Prince Louis married Tessy Antony. ?

He retained his style and title but gave up his succession rights. Tessy got no style or title.
Granted, that situation was changed a few years years later when the Grand Duke Henri gave her the title of Princess of Luxembourg with the style, Her Royal Highness.

Unless the future spouse of Carl Philip gets the title of princess of Sweden and/or Duchess of Värmland at the time of the wedding, there is no possibility for her to get a title later on as the king of Sweden have no legal rights to give a title to a commoner. That is why Swedish royal princes who lost their titles when they married commoners got their title Count of Wisborg from Belgium or Luxembourg.

 

[AristoCat]

I personally think that given her past, the title should be morganatic, like a countess or baroness, nothing at or above the title of Duchess. There HAVE to be limits and it should be that or CP step down. Sooner or later her photos will be all over the place and I am sure that it will create a lot of ugliness.

 

[Marengo]

Although I like the good old fashioned morganatic marriage, I do think that the king refusing permission for a marriage is 1) unlikely and 2) hypocrite. I think it will not be a popular move at all, esp. since it would be the king who denies her a title, a king who recently was involved in a sex scandal. A holier-than-thou attitude for Sofia would surely be considered as double standards. And considering the press campaign of Sofia & friends in portraying her as a saint, I am sure that the press will have a field day in painting her as an innocent victim of a bitter sexist king. The bnest we can hope for is the problem to go away & their relationship to end before a marriage.

 

[Meraude]

I personally think that given her past, the title should be morganatic, like a countess or baroness, nothing at or above the title of Duchess.

The king of Sweden have no constitutional rights to ennoble a commoner, the only title a royal spouse can get is prince/princess and/or duke/duchess. Nor does the possibility of a morganatic marriage exist in Sweden.

There is a possibility that a future spouse of Carl Philip will not get the title of princess of Sweden and only become duchess of Värmland, not because of her past but because of the fact that when Madeleine got engaged to Jonas Bergström it was announced that his future title would be Mr. Jonas Bergström, duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland. To give the spouse of Carl Philip the title princess of Sweden while not give the spouse of Madeleine the title of prince of Sweden would be considered as sexist, as both Carl Philip and Madeleine have equal rights when it comes to the throne and their spouses should not be treated differently just because one of them is male and the other female.

 

[Josefine]

i think sweden would be very angry if carl phlip wife would be princess when jonas were not be given title prince

 

[MagMil]

I think that nor Prince Carl Phillip's wife, nor Princess Madeleine's husband will get prince/princess title.They would probably be just titled Duke/Duchess

 

[Breffney]

Unless the future spouse of Carl Philip gets the title of princess of Sweden and/or Duchess of Värmland at the time of the wedding, there is no possibility for her to get a title later on as the king of Sweden have no legal rights to give a title to a commoner. That is why Swedish royal princes who lost their titles when they married commoners got their title Count of Wisborg from Belgium or Luxembourg.

That is very interesting. Thanks for that info, Meraude.

 

[LadyFinn]

The website of photographer Lennart M. Sjöberg, where the photos of 16-year old Sofia posing in Thailand, were, has been vanished, it has a different host now.

 

[Artemisia]

That's interesting. Are we dealing with a possible "clean up" before a certain announcement?

 

[LadyFinn]

That's interesting. Are we dealing with a possible "clean up" before a certain announcement?

The website was gone for a few days, this evening it is working again, so the photos are not taken away.

Sofia and Carl Philip at the second annual board meeting of Project Playground in Stockholm, 26th April.
Project Playground’s annual board meeting in Stockholm : Project Playground
Photo
http://www.project-playground.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_6330.jpg
Sofia and her sister Lina at the board meeting
http://distilleryimage6.instagram.com/dacb98128fd711e1abd61231381b6d77_7.jpg

The Board members of the Project Playground:
Sofia Hellqvist – President & Co founder of Project Playground
Frida Vesterberg – Vice President & Co founder of Project Playground
Mikael Engdahl – CEO and Co founder MnO International
Carl Philip Bernadotte – HKH Prince of Sweden
Claudia Olsson - Managing Director ACCESS Health International Southeast Asia
Jonas Paurell - Head of Growth and Opportunity African Practice
Sofia Breitholtz - Sr Manager Ernst&Young

There will be a fundraising gala to the benefit of Project Playground in Lund, Sweden, the 15th of September 2012.
Project Playground´s board member Jonas Paurell and the company he works for, Africa Practice, plan to do a fund raising in London 2012.

Annual Report Project Playground Sweden
(The annual report refers to the period September 2010 to December 2011)
http://www.project-playground.org/e...nnual-Report-Project-Playground-2010-2011.pdf

 

[angieuk]

I understand she has a sister ---- is her sister married with a family? Also is there an option for the couple to live in America like his sister seems to have done?

 

[LadyFinn]

I understand she has a sister ---- is her sister married with a family? Also is there an option for the couple to live in America like his sister seems to have done?

Sofia has two sisters: Lina, who is two years older than Sofia, and Sara, who is three years younger than Sofia. There hasn't meen any news at the press that either of them are married. Lina is working at Project Playground and was with Sofia in Finland, when Sofia received a big donation for PP.

This week's SvenskDamtidning writes, that according to "their source at the court", the king and the queen are so happy because their son has found "such a lovely girl". According to the same source Sofia's engagement and work in PP has adjusted her past in the eyes of the queen. But the most of all, it warms Silvia's heart, to see her son so happy.
SvenskDam continues:
Sofia is surely regretting her past, she can't do much to it now, although she has tried to get the photos away from the internet.
"Look ahead" is Silvia's advice. But Sofia's leap into the royal family could probably still be followed by debate. The route to the altar will not be unobstructed.

 

[Artemisia]

Thanks for clarifying, LadyFinn!

How reliable is SvenskDamtidning? If even part of what was written there is true, then we can expect three major events in upcoming months:
- Princess Estelle's christening
- Carl Philip and Sofia's engagement
- The ensuing debate on suitability and other issues

 

[LadyFinn]

Thanks for clarifying, LadyFinn!

How reliable is SvenskDamtidning? If even part of what was written there is true, then we can expect three major events in upcoming months:
- Princess Estelle's christening
- Carl Philip and Sofia's engagement
- The ensuing debate on suitability and other issues

Some years ago SvenskDamtidning was more reliable than now, now it is close to any gossip magazine. When Madeleine came to Sweden to meet Estelle, SvenskDamtidning wrote about Madeleine leaving hurrily back to the States, even though she stayed in Sweden at least two weeks after that. I don't rely on their "sources". We shall see, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised of an engagement/engagements on the royal family.

 

[Boris]

I agree with LadyFinn - 'Svensk Dam Tidning' has deteriorated badly over the past decade, to the point where you can't take any of their 'information' and 'sources' seriously anymore... which several blunders over the past few years like the one mentioned by LadyFinn have proven.

 

[Artemisia]

Thanks for explanation, LadyFinn and Boris.
However, since Svensk Dam Tidning isn't the only source that points towards an "imminent" engagement, this particular article probably won't be one of the blunders.
On the other hand, the parts about Queen Silvia's opinion about Sofia and the Queen's thoughts - how on Earth would they know that , unless the Queen confided in the newspapers or its "sources" (and I don't believe that for a second)?

 

[Nice Nofret]

Sofia looks lovely on those fotos - but nevertheless, there shouldn't be any fotos like that from a member of a royal family and anyone who want's to be taken serious in his/her professional work.

I think they both should step down an be 'private people' whithout official duties.

Imagine they would do a tour of the middle east. .no one would take him or her serious - they would be laughing stock - or worst - other person would feel offended and not honoured by them.

Bad idea

 

[mktv2000]

Perspective..

I think we have to remember that the senior royals will be Victoria's children, and eventually Estelle's. If Sofia does marry Prince Carl Philip, which I think she will, I think it is safe to assume they will take on eventually less and less work. The King has four sisters as we all know, who do relatively little public work. Prince Carl Philip, as Victoria assumes the throne, will be in that role. He will live his role much more as a private citizen.

So I totally see the discussion about whether or not Sofia is "royal" material, but I do think in the end it won't be an issue for much time at all.

Anyway...been enjoying reading this thread...just wanted to add a different perspective.

 

[Meraude]

Do remember that it will take 18 years until Estelle will be expected participate in any major royal events and until then there will without doubt be a need for more than two royal ladies, Silvia and Victoria, especially if Madeleine marries and settles in the U.S. The queen will be 70 next year and can't be expected to be able to continue with her royal duties until Estelle can take over, so whomever Carl Philip marries will most likely have to take part in royal events until then.

 

[XeniaCasaraghi]

Hasn't Sofia proven that she is willing and able to work for the SRF? I ask because a part from the constant whining about her past, I don't hear a lot about what she does on this board.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Hasn't Sofia proven that she is willing and able to work for the SRF? I ask because a part from the constant whining about her past, I don't hear a lot about what she does on this board.

People whine about that as well, they say the work she does is fake and only spurred because she wants to catch the Prince.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

All work that benefits others is good work but the whole set up looks fake to me. Sofia is all about attention, only this time she chose the "right" attention (not by posing with a snake and even worse) but as a charity person what will possibly make her eligible for becoming royalty.

That is what puts me off most - her desire for attention and doing whatever is needed to get it. Wanna be famous? - Take your clothes off or get on a celebrity show or both. Wanna marry a Prince - Present yourself as a suitable spouse who has a heart for the needy. If she had to become a singer or actress in order to become famous I am sure we would see pictures everyday of Sofia carrying books to acting lessons or posing in front of the recording studio during the day and with famous singers at partys at night. You have to be very determined to become famous if you are willing to do what Sofia did (posing borderline pornography) as a minor.

Nothing is about any cause, its all about HER.

 

[Josefine]

what i understand is that carl philip and madeleine has woved to help victoria in her work, i think they will have a part in royal duties for the yeras until victoria and daniels children can take on royal duties

in a interview carl philip were asked what he thoght he saw himself as, he said he is first of all a prince, then designer

 

[Meraude]

I don't doubt that Madeleine (and Carl Philip) will help Victoria, but how much she will be able to help with the day-to-day work will entirely depend on if she is living in Sweden or not. If she stays in the U.S. after she marries and has a family of her own it won't be that easy to "pop over" to Sweden for royal duties.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

She will have a similar life like her aunt Birgitta, who lives in Spain. Every now and then she will come to Sweden for her own royal events for family events but will not play any important role in the SRF.