Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012


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I don't think there are a lot of young people over the age of 12 who are thinking about being respected or taken seriously. A lot of teens and young adults live for the moment and don't take in to account what the repercussions of their actions are. I'm sure some of us have done things when young and if asked would they do them now they would say no. It also has to do with the level of maturity . There are some 16 year olds that are more mature and together than some 25 year olds.
 
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yes, to me your rant on Sofia speaks volumes too. Learn to respect people who have different opinions than yours. That will speak VOLUMES about your character.

Looking at everything we know about Sofia (which I admit is probably less than 10% of who she is), I still can't give her a pass on her past. I can see hastily jumping into an ill-advised marriage (like Letizia) as a mistake. I suppose I would also see experimentation with drugs, sex, and having a child out of wedlock (like Mette-Marit) a mistake. These are things that maybe not the majority but a vast number of people around the world have done in their lives - whether they consider them a mistake or not.

how are drugs a lesser mistake than posing for nude pictures?

Sofia's choices were made after she became old enough to know better and aren't the choices that most people around the world have made in their lives.

I wouldn't call her choices a mistake. I would call them a flaw in her character and something that can't be fixed with a few photo ops doing charity work.

exercising her freedom as a teen speaks volumes about her character? they speak volumes about her free personality to me. perhaps a bunch of pictures say different things to different people.

If she wants to earn respect she should have made respectable choices before. If she and CP really love each other and want to be respected, then she needs to stop doing charity work, stop appearing as a spokesperson for any charity, stop modeling, and live a very quiet life not in public for the next thirty years - like Bertil and Lilian. Then maybe she will be forgiven for the choices she made recently and will be accepted as a wife for CP.

you think she should wait 30 years for a marriage??
 
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I fail to see how someone dating for 8 years has anything to do with someone who has posed nude. Or how they are comparable.

Isn't this thread about the relationship of Sofia and Carl Phillip? Why do we need to bring up Kate Middleton?
 
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LOL, Muriel. Yeah, it speaks VOLUMES.

yes, to me your rant on Sofia speaks volumes too. Learn to respect people who have different opinions than yours. That will speak VOLUMES about your character.


Looking at everything we know about Sofia (which I admit is probably less than 10% of who she is), I still can't give her a pass on her past. I can see hastily jumping into an ill-advised marriage (like Letizia) as a mistake. I suppose I would also see experimentation with drugs, sex, and having a child out of wedlock (like Mette-Marit) a mistake. These are things that maybe not the majority but a vast number of people around the world have done in their lives - whether they consider them a mistake or not.

how are drugs a lesser mistake than posing for nude pictures?
I didn't say drugs are a lesser mistake. I said I could see it as a mistake as a greater percentage of the population in the world has experimented with them. In addition, many people experiement with drugs because of peer pressure..the same with sexual experimentation. But I've never seen any discussion about peer pressure where a group of friends or schoolmates encourage someon to pose in the manner Sofia did.

Sofia's choices were made after she became old enough to know better and aren't the choices that most people around the world have made in their lives.

I wouldn't call her choices a mistake. I would call them a flaw in her character and something that can't be fixed with a few photo ops doing charity work.

exercising her freedom as a teen speaks volumes about her character? they speak volumes about her free personality to me. perhaps a bunch of pictures say different things to different people.
You're exactly right, cd_1. These pictures say different things to different people. Based on the responses here some people see them as no big deal. Based on most of the responses I have seen here and in the media comments, most people feel that they are shocking and inappropriate. I agree that a teen exercising his/her freedom is an admirable thing. But along with that freedom comes a huge responsibility to make intelligent, informed choices. Her choices say to me that she is craves attention and approval and that she is willing to do anything she thinks will get her those things.

If she wants to earn respect she should have made respectable choices before. If she and CP really love each other and want to be respected, then she needs to stop doing charity work, stop appearing as a spokesperson for any charity, stop modeling, and live a very quiet life not in public for the next thirty years - like Bertil and Lilian. Then maybe she will be forgiven for the choices she made recently and will be accepted as a wife for CP.

Okay, maybe 30 years is asking a bit much considering where the so-called moral compass of society is now compared to the 1940s, but if Sofia was concerned with being accepted, she should stop putting herself in opportunities and to garner attention. She still has not done that. In addition, I consider what Bertil and Lilian did to be much more respectful than this situation.

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...I realized I touched a very sensitive nerve. I apologize. I can't speak for Muriel but quick explanation.....my original post about it speaking volumes was addressing how so many people are treating this as if it is harmless (which it is not) child's play (which considering her age at the time IS). I think it speaks volumes that as a society or societies we have continued to lower the bar on what is acceptable behavior (usually for someone other than our own daughters, sisters, etc.) and in this forum, several people, yourself included, believe that Sofia's choices are acceptable. I don't know you and I always appreciate discussion (see responses in blue above). For my sweeping statement which obviously upset you, again I apologize. My opinion about the issue is still the same but I hope you can move past that.
 
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I don't what Sofia background was. I know women who've come from very conservative religious background who have rebelled big time against it. I came from a very conservative religious background. I got very tired of being told how I should dress, look, think or feel. When I was 19 years old, I rebelled right under the nose of everyone.

I went to a nightclub and wore the skimpest sexy looking clothing I could find.. I was 19 years old. This was the first time in my life that I had worn anything that was sexy or revealing. I was told by family members that if I wore clothing like this, I would be at great risk for being attacked or assaulted. Well no one talked to me and no one attacked me or tried to assault me. I realized that I only did this to prove a point. I didn't feel comfortable dressed like this but it had nothing to do with dressing modestly. It really wasn't my style I was rebelling. Years later I was told by my family that God Protects Fools and that was why I wasn't attacked or assaulted. People that I tell this story to are very shocked that I did this.

Swedish has a more liberal attitude about nudity than the United States. My opinion about her goes back and forth. I wouldn't say that this is acceptable (I think someone who becomes a Princess should have a much higher standard of behavior) but then again noone is perfect.
 
yes, to me your rant on Sofia speaks volumes too. Learn to respect people who have different opinions than yours. That will speak VOLUMES about your character.

Its clear my post (which has since been deleted) has certainly got a very angry response from cd_1. TRF welcomes posters with diverse views, and whilst we all cannot always agree, we can have a civilised debate. Its the diversity in thought and (hopefully) intelligent debate that follows is what makes TRF the lively place it often is.

Lets not get personal, and talk about the supposed charcacter of posters we know little about. All I had said was that I thought your posts were very revealing - not sure what was so offensive about it?

Mods - Could you pl reinstate my posts or tell me why they were removed by PM. Many thanks
 
^ even my posts were deleted Muriel, in which I apologized, and so was one of Rascal's.
As for CP and Sofia, are they still not living together? And if they are then where? i keep hearing about CP's new home being renovated (posted in previous pages I think). Have they finally moved in or not?
 
I think there were some posts in the last month that said CP & Sofia had moved into the farmhouse he inherited. But several people said the information came from unreliable media sources - gossip rags, etc. Other than the last article about Sofia supposedly affecting his studies there really haven't been any new developments for at least a month.
 
Swedish has a more liberal attitude about nudity than the United States. My opinion about her goes back and forth. I wouldn't say that this is acceptable (I think someone who becomes a Princess should have a much higher standard of behavior) but then again noone is perfect.

I appreciate how your personal experience might mirror some of Sofia's motivation, nascarlucy. But I still believe this is different. Unless you aren't telling the whole truth (LOL!), you didn't create photographic documentation of your rebellion to be published in a men's magazine.

As to your quote posted above, I have no problems with nudity. I think a human body, particularly a naked female, is a beautiful thing on many different levels. But there is a difference between artistic beauty (which can be found in paintings, statues, and IMO even some of the Playboy pictorials) and the photographs we have seen of Sofia. It's the difference between erotica and pornography, and that is a matter of opinion that even the Supreme Court here in the US can't define - (they can't define pornography but they know it when they see it).

Sofia's pictures aren't the worst out there and similar pictures have been seen in Playboy - but I would say they are approaching the racier end of Playboy or the tamer end of Penthouse, rather than artistic nudity...which makes them closer to porn than erotica.

But even if hers were the really artistic, completely professional type of nudes produced for example of Olympic athletes for Sports Illustrated or Vanity Fair (usually before the Olympic games), I would say it would be an inappropriate choice for her life and I see nothing wrong with those pictures.

I suppose it's a matter of expectations some may have for a royal person. Yes, Prince Charles was photographed nude while dressing inside a hotel room/cabana whatever it was. It's not the same thing because he was not posing for a photographer. But he should still have used better judgement than to change in front of an open window. Heads of state here in the US as teens have used drugs (Clinton & Obama) or alcohol to excess (George W. Bush) and gone on to become a head of state. But none of them were raised since birth to be a future head of state. Most of them made the decision to enter politics and public life after those events. Charles had been raised since birth knowing that he was going to be a future head of state so his lack of judgment IMO is worse than the others.

My expectations of CP are to choose one of the millions of beautiful, intelligent, sweet, discreet young women who haven't posed topless, or made out with a porn star, publicly stated their ambition in life is to be famous, participated in a reality program, and/or bragged about their relationship with any man - let alone a prince - on twitter or facebook.

My expectation for his potential wife is to have done none of those things.

The horse is dead...y'all know where I stand. Nothing more from me....LOL..unless they get engaged LOLOLOLLLOL!!!!
 
Rascal: No my rebellion was not photographed. Mine would be too tame to be in a men's magazine. Didn't rise to that level. My outfit would have been seen in Glamour Magazine but probably not Seventeen or Teen magazine.
 
Rascal: No my rebellion was not photographed. Mine would be too tame to be in a men's magazine. Didn't rise to that level. My outfit would have been seen in Glamour Magazine but probably not Seventeen or Teen magazine.

LOL, and nowadays it would probably be considered matronly in even those magazines...LOLOL!!!!
 
She is very vulgar,so I understand why Madeleine can't stand her
 
I read that Sofia is wearing a ring from CP on a middle finger and CP planned something in his diary for August 2011.
 
As for Carl Philip and Sofia...as we can all see with these photos, when you are involved with a person in the public eye such as a prince, there is nothing about your past that the media will not find out.
 
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Re: Sophia not invited for Swedish Royal Family Christmas celebrations. Why is Medeleine in charge of deciding who will or won't attend Christmas celebrations. I think someone is giving too much power to the junior member of the Royal Family. Given the quality of her choice of partners, I do not feel that she is qualified to decide who her brother prefers. He may or may not end up marrying her...who knows. In the meantime, the family should give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course, considering what they put Daniel through, their approval may not be forthcoming. I say, "lighten up, all of you. It's his choice." Oh, and Merry Christmas!
 
According to Expressen, Sofia may not spend Christmas with Carl Philip, because Madeleine is back in Sweden and she can´t stand Sofia. The royal family will celebrate Christmas with princess Christina and her family.
Sofia får inte fira jul med Carl Philip - Nyheter - Senaste nytt | Expressen
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Madeleine has been out of the country for god knows how long, and now she dictates who attends the royal christmas?
She is looking more and more like a spoilt brat.
Bet she's jealous of Sofia.
 
do girlfriends even attend Christmases with the family? Maybe Sophia isnt invited because it just not done to invite SO before they are atleast engaged?

m are those personal pictures? they have no watermarks.
 
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Sorry,but I think the Swedish monarchy goes down,when the Prince marries an ex-model or pornstar,the fairy of monarchy is completely disappeared,it becomes a theatre full of bad taste.I think his parents are ashamed of it,the mother without any doubt and I understand Madeleine's feelings.
It seems that he doesn't have an aristocratic taste of bride.
I think many past Swedish kings will turn in their graves if Carl ever marries her.Sadly I think the royals selfdistruct nowadays.I hope that Victoria gives birth to a child in order to preserve the respectful borders of monarchy.
But if his heart choice is this woman then ,let her be,maybe it's better not to be hypocrite and marry who you want.
 
As for Carl Philip and Sofia...as we can all see with these photos, when you are involved with a person in the public eye such as a prince, there is nothing about your past that the media will not find out.

As to this particular thread, I agree...anyone who chooses to have a relationship with someone who is a public figure should be prepared to have their life examined under a microscope...maybe one even more powerful than the one used on public figure.
 
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Re: Sophia not invited for Swedish Royal Family Christmas celebrations. Why is Medeleine in charge of deciding who will or won't attend Christmas celebrations. I think someone is giving too much power to the junior member of the Royal Family. Given the quality of her choice of partners, I do not feel that she is qualified to decide who her brother prefers. He may or may not end up marrying her...who knows. In the meantime, the family should give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course, considering what they put Daniel through, their approval may not be forthcoming. I say, "lighten up, all of you. It's his choice." Oh, and Merry Christmas!

How do we even know if this story is true? Maybe it's just Not Done for girlfriends/boyfriends to spend Christmases with the family before engagement. Does anyone know whether Daniel or Jonas have been invited in the past?

The King and Queen probably treat their children equally so I'm not too sure about the 'junior member' part.
 
I think they will get engaged next year. I don't like her that much but if he loves her then so be it.
 
I read that Sofia is wearing a ring from CP on a middle finger and CP planned something in his diary for August 2011.
This sounds scary, really scary.:whistling:
I'm still hoping someone will knock some sense into him. The more they are together, the more dirt from her past is being disclosed.

As for Madeleine not wanting Sofia there over Christmas, I might be mistaken but I don't think that Daniel, Emma or Jonas were celebrating Christmas with SRF before so why should she? Thanks God, they are not even engaged until now.
 
I'm very disappointed seeing the pictures above....She seems so crude, even though she was nude in the pictures posted before, she seemed softer...now she just looks wild and vulgar to my eyes!
 
I'm very disappointed seeing the pictures above....She seems so crude, even though she was nude in the pictures posted before, she seemed softer...now she just looks wild and vulgar to my eyes!

:previous:True. These pictures are from New York. Even though my friends did similar things at parties etc., I would never do anything like this.
 
in relation to the pictures above of Sofia, i dont think there is anything wrong with them, she is clearly enjoying herself, she isnt a nun, she was aloud to go out and get drunk and have her picture taken like all of us on this thread (sorry rant over :bang:)
 
in relation to the pictures above of Sofia, i dont think there is anything wrong with them, she is clearly enjoying herself, she isnt a nun, she was aloud to go out and get drunk and have her picture taken like all of us on this thread (sorry rant over :bang:)

I dont think everybody dance and do things like that. I dont have any pictures similar to them because simply I have some dignity, some level of behavior. And I am younger than her...
 
:previous: Oh c'mon. She is a girl in her 20's who was on a party and maybe got a little tipsy. It's totally normal to get a little carried away on a party. No-one here can honestly say she has complete control over everything she says or does 24/7. Don't tell me you are all saints. 'Cause then you're lying. That's for sure. So give Sophia a little rest and let her be a perfectly normal human being once in a while.
 
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