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03-25-2012, 11:20 AM
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Hardly, they are not even residing in Denmark offcially.
It's just unbelievable, from the picture it looks that they are among the officials. Was there really no one in DRF who could have accompanied Charles & Camilla to this occasion?
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It is possible they are the informal hosts due to the fact they are Anglican where as the DRF is Lutheran.
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03-25-2012, 11:22 AM
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There are pictures of Mr Donaldson shovelling dirt onto the tree Charles had just planted, so it appears he was officially part of the engagement.
Am I the only one who thinks this is completely weird? Everywhere Charles and Camilla went in Norway and Sweden they were accompanied by members of the royal family, indeed most often by the King and Queen. Today, Charles and Camilla are being shown around by the non-royal in laws of the Crown Prince who not only don't live in Denmark but aren't Danish at all?
It would be like the BRF sending the Middletons to show Mary and Fred round London.
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03-25-2012, 11:51 AM
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They are not shown around.
As you can see from the official itinerary there is only one engagement today, an Anglican church service and afterwards the couple was honoured with planting a tree. This is obviously a resting day for Charles&Camilla.
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03-25-2012, 11:52 AM
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It is possible they are the informal hosts due to the fact they are Anglican where as the DRF is Lutheran.
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 Actually they are Presbyterian (or at least John is)...
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03-25-2012, 12:13 PM
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There are pictures of Mr Donaldson shovelling dirt onto the tree Charles had just planted, so it appears he was officially part of the engagement.
Am I the only one who thinks this is completely weird? Everywhere Charles and Camilla went in Norway and Sweden they were accompanied by members of the royal family, indeed most often by the King and Queen. Today, Charles and Camilla are being shown around by the non-royal in laws of the Crown Prince who not only don't live in Denmark but aren't Danish at all?
It would be like the BRF sending the Middletons to show Mary and Fred round London.
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No you are not. Mary's parents are no official representatives of Denmark, why should they deal with the british CPs at an official event. It looks very attention seeking to me. Doesnt the DRF have other royals around to accompagny Charles & Camilla, like Joachim or Benedikte?
It would have been ok for the Donaldsons to attend along with Mary, but alone and without any Danish royal around.
Its certainly a first-timer for such a constellation, and not a good one.
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03-25-2012, 12:16 PM
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Im sure a Danish Royal member could've accompanied Charles & Camilla on this event. I don't understand why the Donaldson's did when they have no connection or position in Denmark to accompany the couple especially when its a working/official visit.
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03-25-2012, 12:29 PM
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A question for our informed Danish members.
The state church is of course Lutheran, but what would be considered the next populous denomination? Is it Anglican? And are Catholicism and Islam considered prominent religious ideologies within the Kingdom? Indeed, are there any mosques in Denmark? As daft as that question may be, I confess I can't recall having seen one when I've visited, but it would make sense that there would be. Wouldn't there?
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The division is as follows:
Protestant.
Muslims.
Chatolics.
Other faiths: I.e. Buddhist, Jews, Asa, Orthodox Christians and so on.
There are mosques in DK. But none with minerats. - Yet. (No one can figure out who should pay).
As well as Buddhist temples.
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03-25-2012, 12:29 PM
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It would be like the BRF sending the Middletons to show Mary and Fred round London.
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No, this is not a good comparison. Ok, if Catherine was a Danish citizen before her marriage and her parents met Fred and Mary the evening before, talked about church going habits and were invited by F&M, that would be the same.
But maybe the church officials invited John and Susan to the service, because they wanted to have familiar faces for the Royal guests and these were people both connected with the church, with the Royal hosts and able to speak both languages?
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03-25-2012, 12:34 PM
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I am a bit surprised no member of the royal family accompanied Charles and Camilla, and even more so that the Donaldsons did.
To be fair though, the Official Program posted by Princess Robijn doesn't mention any Danish royal presence for today's event, whereas other events clearly state which royals are to accompany Prince Charles and Camilla. . |
Not all other events. Charles and Camilla attend about half of the events "on their own", presumably with
Master of Ceremonies, Christian Eugen Olsen, and Lene Balleby accompanying them like today.
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03-25-2012, 12:39 PM
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Well this event was 'on their own' and now we see Mary's parents. Very weird and not appropriate in my opinion.
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03-25-2012, 12:47 PM
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I am a bit surprised no member of the royal family accompanied Charles and Camilla, and even more so that the Donaldsons did.
To be fair though, the Official Program posted by Princess Robijn doesn't mention any Danish royal presence for today's event, whereas other events clearly state which royals are to accompany Prince Charles and Camilla. Perhaps this was a private visit, just an attendance of a Sunday Church Service. |
You are right. Whatever the reason for John&Susan Donaldson's presence was, they certainly were not there in an official capacity.
When I first saw the itinerary I too was surprised that no Danish royal would be present at their first engagement. But perhaps it's really more private/semi-official? (And only mentioned in the itinerary so people and press would know and have a chance to meet and photograph C&C.) As I said before today looks very much like a Sunday church and resting day to me.
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03-25-2012, 12:53 PM
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It still would have been nice to see a royal, like Prince Joachim, attend the services with Charles and Camilla along with the Donaldsons. It may have been a private or semi-official event, but as long as cameras are there the absence of a Danish royal does bring this to the forefront.
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03-25-2012, 01:07 PM
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A commenter at the bottom of the article (at least I think it's this one) mentions that the British ambassador was there as well. Given that that Queen Elizabeth is queen of Australia, perhaps as her subjects, it was considered appropriate for the Donaldson's to be there as well.
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03-25-2012, 01:09 PM
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Well this event was 'on their own' and now we see Mary's parents. Very weird and not appropriate in my opinion.
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I guess we should leave that judgment to the Danish court. John and Susan both have professions and interests which fit quite nicely with Charles & Camilla. They were properly introduced. The Scandinavian Royals and Charles were very intense about these visits to be visits to relatives. So John and Susan are to be considered as relatives-in-law. Plus I believe the Danish Royals are very glad to have them, as they act often as grandparents and parent-substitutes for the four Royal children when the queen, her husband and Mary & Fred are working on behalf of the Danish people. Plus I don't think the Denish way to view the contact of Royals with commoners just as "impossible" as some posters here. 
Plus I believe Charles and Camilla are very glad to meet new, interesting people where thy can be sure that they are absolutely to be trusted with private conversation.
The more I think about it: this visit is to celebrate the realtionship of Queen Elizabeth II. and Denmark. Mrs. and Prof. Donaldson are subjects of HM of Australia and are the grandparents of the future king of Denmark. What is wrong if they are invited to an offical event celebrating British religious beliefs in the Danmark of today? IMHO that's really fitting that they are there!
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03-25-2012, 01:09 PM
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It was exactly what was mentioned in the itinerary.
I don't know why no Danish royal was there.
Perhaps it is meant as a signal of disapproval? Queen Margrethe is a person with high moral standards. 
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03-25-2012, 01:22 PM
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It was exactly what was mentioned in the itinerary.
I don't know why no Danish royal was there.
Perhaps it is meant as a signal of disapproval? Queen Margrethe is a person with high moral standards. |
That's why she takes tea with Charles & Camilla on shopping in London? 
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03-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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I've never seen parents of other CPss at such a events. I can imagine how they would be criticized for that. DRF should sent member of royal family or leave it as it was planned (without any royals). Donaldson are not even living in Denmark, have no pubic roles here, they can be here privately but it doesn't mean that they have to be host for Charles&Camilla (John is planting a tree). Fact that Mary is CPss and they're grandparents of future heir isn't making them part or court. Very odd, wondering why Queen Margrethe allowed to it.
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03-25-2012, 01:33 PM
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That's why she takes tea with Charles & Camilla on shopping in London?
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I was just making fun of all those posters who think it is sooo inappropriate or weird that British/Scotish citizens Susan&John Donaldson attend church service with the British heir to the throne.
They will have to accept the fact that no member of the DRF was there, just as they accepted the fact that the once adulterous couple is now married and attending church services together.
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