The Future of the Danish Monarchy

[Roskilde]

A translation of the start of the article:

"The new poll is made by Epinion for DR and shows that 64 percent believe the royal house still exist in 50 years. It is especially Frederik and Mary's great popularity which is responsible for that.

Monday it was exactly 12.5 years ago since Frederik and Mary said yes to each other in Copenhagen Cathedral. Even then, the Crown Prince couple's popularity were in top, and it has in the years after only grown. All polls the last years have shown respectively Frederik and Mary as the most popular person in the Royal Family.

But experts said that the Crown Price couple can't do anything if they want to maintain their high popularity. (...)"


Oh! Thanks BT. But isn't that logic? Sometimes I think that the media think we Danes are half stupid and can't think ourself.

But okay, it is a praise to Queen Margrethe, CP Frederik and Cp Mary that we still think we have a royal house in 50 years. For otherwise, I think the article only says things we all can think ourselves

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

An abdication of Queen would be well accepted in Denmark?

Why not? It was accepted in the Netherlands, in Luxembourg, in Belgium, in Spain, in the United Kingdom and at the Vatican even... Why would it not be accepted then in Denmark? They also accepted that not Prince Knud would become King but Princess Margrethe (change of the succession in 1953).

[polyesco]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

The Queen has also said repeatedly that Prince Frederik is ready to be King. But in this interview, she also spoke of Mary. There's no confusion.

agree.
Just last March, the Queen gave great praise and complete confidence in Frederik during the documentaries on the DRF residences
Dronning Margrethe afslører: Sådan forbereder jeg Frederik til livet som konge

"But he has a great feel for what's what. I can feel it, "says Margrethe with a satisfied smile playing on her lips."

the article also touched on Frederik's preparation and behind the scenes work. "Crown Prince Frederik participated in different and more invisible royal chores that goes on behind the Amalienborg thick walls. For example, Frederik regularly attends the weekly meetings between the ruler and the prime minister and other ministers. Just as he (and Mary) has been given a much more prominent role in the state visit here and abroad."

This past Monday there were official audiences.

[MidwestMom]

There is so much turmoil in so many places, it's refreshing to read that people are happy and confident about their country's future.

[Blog Real]

About the state council on the 22nd.

The strangest thing about this state council dinner is Mary's presence. Is it really an abdication? Or will Frederik become a prevailing ruler?

[Nordic]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

About the state council on the 22nd.

The strangest thing about this state council dinner is Mary's presence. Is it really an abdication? Or will Frederik become a prevailing ruler?

There is no State Council on the 22nd but perhaps this State Council Dinner is just that, a long overdue State Council Dinner? AFAIK, there doesn't have to be a specific reason for it. There was none back in 2000.

Maybe the Crown Princess has been asked out of courtesy? There is a second guest present that is not a member of the State Council, a State Secretary from the PM's office.

[Dman]

It seems like there will be a meeting and dinner. Why would anyone find it strange for a Mary to be there?

[Nordic]

Originally Posted by Dman

It seems like there will be a meeting and dinner. Why would anyone find it strange for a Mary to be there?

What meeting? A State Council was held last week at Christiansborg but this is just a dinner.

Members of the State Council are the government ministers, Queen Margrethe and Crown Prince Frederik. As such, Mary (and the State Secretary) is an "extra".

[Dman]

Originally Posted by Nordic

What meeting? A State Council was held last week at Christiansborg but this is just a dinner.

Members of the State Council are the government ministers, Queen Margrethe and Crown Prince Frederik. As such, Mary (and the State Secretary) is an "extra".

Oh, I see. I didn't know a State Council was already held.

[Muhler]

Gallup has made a survey on behalf of the tabloid BT.
Danskernes overraskende valg: Her er det medlem af Kongehuset, der gør det bedst | BT Royale - www.bt.dk

Here 1.167 Danes above the age of 18 have been asked: Who do you think is doing the best job in representing Denmark?
Rated on a scale from 1-5.

Here Mary come in at the top with a score of 4.52.
Frederik and QMII are right behind her.

Our Marie is further down at number four, while PH and Joachim are way down the list.

There are no further details in regards to the individual scores in the article.

BT has asked a historian, Sebastian Olden-Jørgensen, for a comment.
"I find it noticeable that the Queen is not in the lead. Because she is the queen, she is the most well-known and she is the one everyone has known since they were children".

As for Mary: "She has so to speak no weak points. She has style and social intelligence. She looks good. She's fully committed to/wholeheartedly in her role and she's doing well as a mother, and then she has taken on some projects with vulnerable children and women, which simply goes into the heart. That's what she's being rewarded for. She is doing what she has to do - and she has made some really good choices in regards to what she can take on voluntarily".

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Thanks, Muhler! Mary and Frederik have been the most popular in such polls for a number of years now, so what is suprising about that?

But QMII has topped popularity polls several times, most recently in 2015 and Crown Prince Frederik topped one in 2014 (I haven't had time to keep track of Danish polls in 2016/17, so they may have been on top again after that).

I follow the DRF closely and the most surprising thing (to me) is that these so-called Danish experts are wrong all the time. Especially Lars Hovbakke Sørensen and Trine Villemann (she is worse than all British experts together).

[Muhler]

I fail to see the surprise as well, it' always one of those three who come out on top. - But it's good click bait to write "surprise".

And the royal experts, like most experts these days they should relabeled "commentators" that would be more correct.

I should mention for those who don't read Danish - The word surprise is in the headline, but I didn't bother translate it.

[tommy100]

I think we have to bear in mind that this is the view of only 1,167 and thus if a handful of people chose Mary over QMII that changes the percent. Its also worth bearing if you can only pick one member as your favourite those people who don't actually have a favourite of their own will pick the most talked about/written about, most visible member.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Yes, but Mary (warm, but regal) and Frederik (folksy) are the most popular in that family! And the main thing, they ere young and interesting.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Duc et Pair

Did I miss something? In thought Mary is the spouse of the future head of state and the mother of his children? Since when needs the wife to be "ready to take"? Shouldn't Frederik be considered ready for more than three decades now, since his 18th birthday?

It all sounds a bit sensationalist. Imagine that media in the UK or in Norway polled if Camilla or Mette-Mary were "ready to take"? They do not need to be "ready". They are just the wife. Is their husband the heir, then they are married to the heir. Is their husband the head of state, then they are married to the head of state. No more, no less. Life can be thát simple indeed...

Incidentally, Queen Beatrix herself, when she abdicated, spoke of Willem-Alexander and his wife, Máxima, as being "fully prepared" and, in fact, somewhat implied they would be jointly responsible for discharging the constitutional duties of the monarchy, even though AFAIK there is actually no mention whatsoever of the queen consort in the Dutch constitution.

https://youtu.be/j5KUe3CqaiY?t=114


Of course, there is only one head of State, but, as the role of head of State becomes increasingly purely ceremonial and devoid of any real political power, there seems to be a growing consensus that it is a job that requires both the king and the queen consort to be equally ready.

[Roskilde]

Thanks for the information about the new Gallup measurement/survey

Even though it just shows the same picture as the last many years: Mary and Frederik have been the most popular in such polls for many years now, so what is suprising about that? Margrethe is closely behind.

It's natural and only good and healthy for the DRF IMO. Frederik & Mary are the two who all things will be about in some (maybe few) years and they are the two who are responsible for the whole future for the DRF.

As many of you have written the words from BT's "royal expert" simply must have been chosen only because of getting click-baits - because it's NO surprise to anyone. Or as a Simon writes:

"This so-called royal expert is not much worth if he don't understand why Mary and Frederik are scoring higher than Margrethe. We are writing 2017 now and just because you are a historian you should know what the present time looks like. Frederik and Mary are down-to-earth and hard working. Smiling, committed and accommodating. I'm a big fan of our Queen, but she is much more distanced to the people. She smiles and waves only when she's out officially. Mary puts her hands in her pocket and walks straight toward (sometimes she even crosses) the barriers to greets, take pictures and say hi to all the people. In goes straight to the heart. But we have a creative and working Queen, but she is more one you admire. The Crown Prince and the Crown Princess are just better when it comes to gaining the people's respect and love."

And besides that, Mary is doing a VERY large, visible and useful social work. I want to dare writing that we have never had a royal who has done such a useful work that actually reaches out to the individual Danes. Just taken one of Mary's many projects, Free from Bullying, is integrated into more than 50% of all Denmark's kindergartens and schools, as well as Greenland, Faroe Islands, Iceland, Poland, etc.

Margrethe does a fantastic job too, but not for the general people. It's the upper class, the artistic etc. Her works never reach the ordinary people. If that makes sense.

And I'm sure Margrethe claps in her hands over all these polls. I can almost see her pride for F&M for my eyes... She can safely close her eyes every night when she goes to bed. And it must be a huge burden/pressure on her shoulder she can throw away.

[LibrarianDaisy]

Very well put Roskilde.

[Duc_et_Pair]

To balance it: the immensely well-respected Queen Beatrix who abdicated at a high in approval has never ever topped the popularity polls. She always became behind her mother Juliana, her husband Claus, her daughter-in-law Máxima.

Likewise King Willem-Alexander has never ever topped the polls. Not as heir and nog as King. That Mary is spontaneously called the most liked Danish royal is no disqualification of Queen Margrethe. The same in the UK, when Diana was sweeping all and everyone aside, this could not be translated as Queen Elizabeth being unpopular or so.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

To balance it: the immensely well-respected Queen Beatrix who abdicated at a high in approval has never ever topped the popularity polls. She always became behind her mother Juliana, her husband Claus, her daughter-in-law Máxima. Likewise King Willem-Alexander has never ever topped the polls. Not as heir and nog as King. That Mary is spontaneously called the most liked Danish royal is no disqualification of Queen Margrethe. The same in the UK, when Diana was sweeping all and everyone aside, this could not be translated as Queen Elizabeth being unpopular or so.

Indeed. This should more be seen an indication that the succession in secure in the eyes of the people.
And for the head of a dynastic family that must be considered a success.

[Blog Real]

Our monarchs must be worn out

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