The Danish Orders and Monograms

[wartenberg7]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Queen Sonja and Princess Märtha Louise whore King Olav's portrait before 1991. After Harald has become King the stopped to wear the one of King Olav and wear the one one King Harald. OPnly Prince Astrid wears all three she has.

I know... But that´s not the point. If the norwegian Royals would follow the danish way, the Queen, Martha Louise and Astrid wouldn´t have had a new order after King Harald succeeded and Mette-Marit would have been the 1st one to have been made the new RFO.

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

Queen Anne-Marie wearing no danish royal family order as wife of a foreign (former) monarch is only just and understandable.
But why Queen Ingrid or Princess Benedikte didn´t wear a Margrethe II RF order is beyond me.

A comparision: Prcss Astrid of Norway had King Haakons order, her father´s King Olav V. and then added her brother´s, Harald, in 1991.

I really do appreciate the british way: A new reign requires a new RFO for all royal ladies of the House.

Queen Anne Marie wears her Royal Family Decoration of King Frederick* when she's in Denmark as first and foremost she's a Danish princess

[RoyalJewelish]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It is not a Family Order in Denmark but the King's Portrait or something like this. And you receive only one not several like in the UK.

In Sweden, Norway and Denmark they aren't orders but they're called the 'Royal Decoration of King/Queen (name)' as effectively it isn't really an order unlike how in the UK, almost every decoration is an order which is silly

[Kingen]

Originally Posted by polyesco

very interesting topic.
According to the Norwegian Royal website, Mette-Marit does have the Order of the Elephant
H.K.H. Kronprinsessens dekorasjoner - kongehuset.no

It might be something recently awarded. I dont remember Mette-Marit with it
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/99...f6821a1535.jpg
Maybe when MM attended the Queen's birthday in 2015?

Yesterday, at Crown Prince Frederik's 50th birthday gala dinner, Crown Princess Mette Marit was seen for the first time with the Order of the Elephant. So, the website of the Norwegian Royal Court wasn't wrong, but it still unknown when she received it.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by RoyalJewelish

In Sweden, Norway and Denmark they aren't orders but they're called the 'Royal Decoration of King/Queen (name)' as effectively it isn't really an order unlike how in the UK, almost every decoration is an order which is silly

It is effectively just a memento to show attachment to the Sovereign.

[Kingen]

Watching the New Years Banquet tonight, it came across me that there is one vacancy as Grand Commander of the Order of the Dannebrog. The number is limited to eight at the time, but since the death of Prince Henrik there is only seven Grand Commanders. I wonder if the vacancy is to be replaced soon, and by whom. In my opinion the only likely candidate is Crown Princess Mary. The question is who likely it is, and/or when in that case?

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Kingen

Watching the New Years Banquet tonight, it came across me that there is one vacancy as Grand Commander of the Order of the Dannebrog. The number is limited to eight at the time, but since the death of Prince Henrik there is only seven Grand Commanders. I wonder if the vacancy is to be replaced soon, and by whom. In my opinion the only likely candidate is Crown Princess Mary. The question is who likely it is, and/or when in that case?

Your message peeked my interest. Other than Henrik (who received it after his wife's ascension to the throne) all other recipients are 'born royal'. In the first paragraph on Wikipedia it states that only those of 'princely origin' might become Grand Commanders.

Instead of Crown princess Mary I could see them reserve this 8th spot for prince Christian to be given to him on his 18th birthday. Although Frederik and Joachim got theirs much later (not too long after queen Ingrid passed away - clearly Margrethe didn't want to keep Joachim waiting too long after his elder brother became GC). Alternatively, queen Anne Marie could be granted this honour; her husband was appointed the order in 1964 6 days after becoming king of Greece; her eldest sister upon ascending the throne and her other sister upon her 25th wedding anniversary but Anne Marie herself is still without the order. As queen Margrethe twice used her birthday to hand out this order (both to her husband and youngest son), she might see her 80th birthday as a great occasion to do so again - unless she plans to hand it to prince Christian; in that case I expect her to wait until he turns 18.

In either scenario, Mary could get hers soon after becoming queen - so far, neither queen Ingrid nor prince Henrik got their before their spouse was the Sovereign and, therefore, Master of the order. So, I expect queen Margrethe to let king Frederik have the honour to bestow it upon his wife.

The current Grand Commanders:

Her Majesty Margrethe II, Queen of Denmark, Master of the Order (14 January 1972)
His Majesty Constantine II, King of the Hellenes (12 March 1964)
His Majesty Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden (10 October 1975)
His Majesty Harald V, King of Norway (28 October 1991)
Her Royal Highness Benedikte, Princess of Denmark (27 January 1993)
His Royal Highness Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark (1 January 2004)
His Royal Highness Joachim, Prince of Denmark (16 April 2004)

[Kingen]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Your message peeked my interest. Other than Henrik (who received it after his wife's ascension to the throne) all other recipients are 'born royal'. In the first paragraph on Wikipedia it states that only those of 'princely origin' might become Grand Commanders.

Instead of Crown princess Mary I could see them reserve this 8th spot for prince Christian to be given to him on his 18th birthday. Although Frederik and Joachim got theirs much later (maybe because of the limited number of spots available?) In that scenario, Mary might get hers soon after becoming queen.

The current Grand Commanders:

Prince Christian is indeed a good candidate. However, both Crown Prince Frederik and Prince Joachim received the Order in 2004, on January 1st and April 16th respectively.

The paragraph on 'princely origin' could also be interpreted as Royals overall, as Prince Henrik wasn't born a royal either, so have a hard time believing that is a criteria.

[crm2317]

I would like to see Anne-Marie get it when her husband and sister have been awarded the honour. Plenty of time for Christian to be awarded the order, sadly within the next 10 years or so I’m sure spaces will become available.

[Somebody]

One advantage of Mary not (yet) having the order, is that it would ruin her look somewhat - it's rather crowded on Benedikte.

[Blog Real]

Order of the Elephant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Elephant

Order of the Dannebrog:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dannebrog

Orders, decorations, and medals of Denmark:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders...als_of_Denmark

[Daggerman88]

Hi to all! New to the forum, mainly I collect military pins & badges recently I get this badge that I guess is conected with the danish Elephant order as it shows a coat of arms surrounded for what seems to be the collar of the Danish Elephant order, please help to determine his exact use & purpose, I post also a coat of arms from the Bang family (Danish) is the more similar coat of arms that I found similar to the one in the badge. The badge is made by C.L. Seifert, a known jeweller from Copnhagen, still in bussines, the back of the badge has the inscrption: Cl Hof Gurdfrekker - CL Seifert - Kobenhaven.


Thanks in advance for any opinion


Nacho

[Muhler]

Congratulations on your first post.

The badge and crest belongs to Carl Ludwig Seifert, who was born in 1834 and died in 1898.
He was a supplier to the royal Danish Court and got that honor, because his tailor-shop supplied uniforms to officers of the army and navy as well as uniformed members of the court (that was pretty much everybody!)
It's not gurdfrekker - but guldtrækker = gold-embroider. I.e. a person who specialize in incorporating gold-treads into clothing, typically uniforms, like the shoulder-straps.

You can read about him here: https://clseifert.com/our-story/
And ask questions by mail.

As for the Order of the Elephant:
This is the place to write and direct your questions to - and all other questions you may have in regards to Danish orders: Orders and Medals Society of Denmark

[Nordic]

Looks like Prince Vincent and Princess Josephine's monograms are missing from this thread...

As of 8th January this year, their 10th birthday

Vincent
https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/hr...royal-monogram

Josephine
https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/hr...royal-monogram

[anna.katrina]

Why don't Princes Nikolai and Felix have monograms while the rest of the queen's grandchildren do? Is it because they are Prince Joachim's children?

[Sionevar]

Originally Posted by anna.katrina

Why don't Princes Nikolai and Felix have monograms while the rest of the queen's grandchildren do? Is it because they are Prince Joachim's children?

I suspect it's because they are Joachim's children, yes - the children of a monarch's younger son, not the children of the monarch or of the heir apparent.

I like Frederik's monogram the most. Joachim's standalone monogram is a little strange :)

[polyesco]

Originally Posted by anna.katrina

Why don't Princes Nikolai and Felix have monograms while the rest of the queen's grandchildren do? Is it because they are Prince Joachim's children?

I think so. Joachim's 4 kids are HH, His/Her Highness. While Frederik's 4 kids are HRH, His/Her Royal Highness.
Even with Frederik's kids, only Christian (the future heir) had a monogram since birth. Isabella, Vincent and Josephine received theirs on their 10th birthdays.

[ashelen]

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Any one knows here who made the coats of Arms of Mary when she was getting married? If I am not wrong she had one made for her family before he got married.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by ashelen

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Any one knows here who made the coats of Arms of Mary when she was getting married? If I am not wrong she had one made for her family before he got married.

I don't know, but personal arms are not regulated in Denmark as they are in the UK by the College of Arms or the Court of the Lord Lyon. There is a National Heraldic Consultant under the Danish National Archive, which serves as the heraldic authority for official arms. Maybe the National Heraldic Consultant also provides advice in the design of royal arms in the same way as the State Herald does in Sweden with respect to arms of members of the Swedish Royal House.

I am sure the Danish posters will be able to give you a better answer though.

[An Ard Ri]

Coat of Arms of Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, granted to her in 2006 and designed by Danish heraldic Office.


The Coat of Arms of Mary's father John Dalgleish Donaldson