The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #221  
Old 03-28-2021, 05:47 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 14,990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prinsara View Post
Having the entire city singing about you sounds both amusing and horrifying.

It's true, anyone can have addiction issues, and with alcohol in particular, the research points to it being widely hereditary — which is why if you have a close family member with this issue, you're particularly advised to watch what you do.

With Frederik, Ingolf, and a couple of other things I've heard, it does at least appear to be in the family... which got me wondering where it might have been before. I thought it might be more clear-cut if there was someone in the past, but I guess it's not so obvious.
Hardly.
Because even back then, becoming drunk is one thing, going to the stage where a family member has to be drunk just to function, wasn't something you bragged about in the family, and there were no doubt ways to deal with that.
Being send away or confined to your room until you sobered up springs to mind.
As for kings, certainly prior to 1660 (the introduction of Absolutism) they couldn't afford to be incapacitated by an addiction. They would either be sidelined, or before 1300; killed.

As for current DRF members. Well, I hope they are vigilant if there is alcoholism in the family.
There is still some talk of Joachim being an alcoholic, because he went on a few binges after the divorce from Alexandra. But there was no talk about that prior to the divorce, and not after marrying our Marie.
So to me that suggest that he merely did what men of his (and my) generation tends to do when it hurts: Get drunk.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #222  
Old 03-28-2021, 06:31 PM
Prinsara's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: A place to grow, Canada
Posts: 2,155
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler View Post
As for current DRF members. Well, I hope they are vigilant if there is alcoholism in the family.
There is still some talk of Joachim being an alcoholic, because he went on a few binges after the divorce from Alexandra. But there was no talk about that prior to the divorce, and not after marrying our Marie.
So to me that suggest that he merely did what men of his (and my) generation tends to do when it hurts: Get drunk.
Well, not "if". "Since". There is. However it happened, Frederik establishes it, and I'm pretty sure they and all their advisers know the story. All the evidence points to his problems with alcohol not affecting him alone. Hopefully, as you say, yes, they all keep an eye out, and it continues to not be an issue.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #223  
Old 05-31-2021, 04:38 PM
Blog Real's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 7,761
I don't know where to ask this. But what was Prince Frederik's first official engagement alone?
__________________
My blogs about monarchies
Reply With Quote
  #224  
Old 06-01-2021, 01:57 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: St Thomas, U.S. Minor Outlying Islands
Posts: 4,355
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blog Real View Post
I don't know where to ask this. But what was Prince Frederik's first official engagement alone?
That is a good question. I would also be curious about the age when members of the royal house became full-time working royals, if applicable.


(I replied to a few comments from the titles-discussion on page 10 of this thread here.)
Reply With Quote
  #225  
Old 06-01-2021, 02:21 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 14,990
Around eighteen I'd say.

Frederik went solo to Japan, when he was very young and he attended events solo in USA when at Harward.

Joachim was scolded by QMII for being late for an event with her, when she was visiting Australia and he was an intern at a ranch there.
A stern looking QMII took him aside and said something less than kind. - I can still see that photo before me.
And Joachim cannot have been more than 20-22.

Before then Joachim and Frederik always attended events with their parents. Even though it happened that a photographer and a journalist came by to take a photo.
There is an example with Frederik (described in the book: Under the Beam) where he was going to soccer at a local club and there was the then royal reporter from Se & Hør and a photographer. He ran back to Queen Ingrid, who explained about the rules of the game and he later returned, so that the journalist could get their story. He must have been around twelve I'd say. Perhaps in connection with his confirmation?
(Verified. It's described in the chapter: Boy.) It happened in 1981.
Reply With Quote
  #226  
Old 06-01-2021, 06:01 PM
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: san diego, United States
Posts: 9,659
Thanks Muhler.
It's always exciting to see the young royals join their parents and soon enough on their own.
Christian has done events with his parents and a few with grandparents. Isabella too in the naming of "her" ship with mom. And the twins at the zoo event also with mom.
So far it has been a good balance. I look forward to June 13 for Christian to be with the Queen and Frederik.
Reply With Quote
  #227  
Old 06-02-2021, 12:07 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 14,990
Indeed.
M&F's children are more used to and prepared to be in the spotlight.
Of course children today are much more used to be "on" and upload videos of themselves both routinely, both in connection with school projects and in their spare time.
But it is also clear to me that M&F's children have been schooled in the basics in what to say - and what not to say.
We saw an example of that when the children spoke about their dad and family at the celebration of Frederik's 50th B-day.
Vincent is wonderful, because he say it as it is.

At some point he and Christian sat in a couch and told about one of the house-rules IIRC, not too much phone and tablet-time for the children! - But dad is more manageable in that respect. And that's when mother Mary puts on a more stern demeanor! (*)
Vincent was adamant that "mother gets crossed." While Christian tried to smooth that detail out, noo, ain't that bad. But Vincent: "Yes, she does, she gets crossed."

The same thing last year when there was a nation wide lockdown and the family talked about how they coped in the garden behind their mansion at Amalienborg. Three of the children talked about the things they did in regards to being taught online - but Vincent was unfiltered and he thought it was boring.


(*) Mary has talked about that in an interview as well. She and Frederik are in agreement that the children shouldn't have their noses buried in their phones and tablets too much. Only for her to walk into the living room to find Frederik and the children draped all over the couch, all lost in a phone/tablet.
I believe that is from Under the Beam.
(Verified. It's in the chapter: Family Man.)
Reply With Quote
  #228  
Old 06-02-2021, 08:06 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler View Post
Hardly.
Because even back then, becoming drunk is one thing, going to the stage where a family member has to be drunk just to function, wasn't something you bragged about in the family, and there were no doubt ways to deal with that.
Being send away or confined to your room until you sobered up springs to mind.
As for kings, certainly prior to 1660 (the introduction of Absolutism) they couldn't afford to be incapacitated by an addiction. They would either be sidelined, or before 1300; killed.

As for current DRF members. Well, I hope they are vigilant if there is alcoholism in the family.
There is still some talk of Joachim being an alcoholic, because he went on a few binges after the divorce from Alexandra. But there was no talk about that prior to the divorce, and not after marrying our Marie.
So to me that suggest that he merely did what men of his (and my) generation tends to do when it hurts: Get drunk.

Very much OT here but I just have to ask; why is Marie refered to as "our Marie"?
Reply With Quote
  #229  
Old 06-03-2021, 11:33 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 14,990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverpot View Post
Very much OT here but I just have to ask; why is Marie refered to as "our Marie"?
It's a term of endearment I brought with me from another forum. And now it's a trademark. - And still meant in the kindest possible way.
Reply With Quote
  #230  
Old 06-03-2021, 11:47 AM
Prinsara's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: A place to grow, Canada
Posts: 2,155
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler View Post
It's a term of endearment I brought with me from another forum. And now it's a trademark. - And still meant in the kindest possible way.
I always thought it was something to do with Mary being "our Mary" in Australia?
Reply With Quote
  #231  
Old 06-03-2021, 12:12 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 14,990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prinsara View Post
I always thought it was something to do with Mary being "our Mary" in Australia?
Not at all, actually. Nothing to do with Mary at all.
It stems back from when it began to be serious between our Marie and Joachim.
But the details is something I'll keep between myself and a few other members on another and this forum. Suffice to say that I find it very endearing and very human. And one of the reasons why I genuinely like Marie.

And with that we'll return back on topic.
Reply With Quote
  #232  
Old 08-29-2021, 12:21 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: St Thomas, U.S. Minor Outlying Islands
Posts: 4,355
The royal court never commemorated Princess Elisabeth's birthdays with the publication of photos, did they? I wonder why the difference in treatment is not the other way around. Princess Elisabeth was a part-time working royal whereas Prince Nikolai is not.



Quote:
Originally Posted by JR76 View Post
There's no question that Knud would have become Christian X had the succession not been changed. The tradition of alternate regnal names are so strong that historically many Danish princes have been named both Christian and Frederik just in case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody View Post
Some examples:
Christian Frederik Vilhelm Carl (king Frederick VIII)

HIS SONS
Christian Carl Frederik Albert Alexander Vilhelm (king Christian X)
Christian Frederik Carl Georg Valdemar Axel (king Haakon VII of Norway)
Harald Christian Frederik
Christian Frederik Vilhelm Valdemar Gustav

Gorm Christian Frederik Hans Harald (elder son of Harald - at the time of his birth 4th in line to the throne after his cousins Frederik and Knud and his father Harald - so not unrealistic to think that he had a small chance to end up at the throne, i.e., if both Frederik and Knud didn't have sons)
Oluf Christian Carl Axel (younger son of Harald: no Frederik!)

YOUNGER SON OF CHRISTIAN X and sons
Knud Christian Frederik Michael
Ingolf Christian Frederik Knud Harald Gorm Gustav Viggo Valdemar Aage
Christian Frederik Franz Knud Harald Carl Oluf Gustav Georg Erik

ELDER SON OF CHRISTIAN X and male descendants
Christian Frederik Franz Michael Carl Valdemar Georg (previous king)
Frederik André Henrik Christian (current crown prince)

It seems the crown prince was the last one to have both names: the younger princes have only one of the two - except for prince Henrik who has neither (but the chances of him succeeding to the throne are extremely slim)!
- Joachim Holger Waldemar Christian
- Nikolai William Alexander Frederik
- Felix Henrik Valdemar Christian
- Christian Valdemar Henri John
- Vincent Frederik Minik Alexander
- Henrik Carl Joachim Alain
Whether it is contigency planning or simply a family tradition, I wonder if there were/are plans for a comparable naming tradition for princesses and queens following the approval of absolute primogeniture in 2009.

The only princesses born after the process of amending the Act of Succession was initiated in 2005 were

Isabella Henrietta Ingrid Margrethe
Josephine Sophia Ivalo Mathilda
Athena Marguerite Françoise Marie
Reply With Quote
  #233  
Old 09-18-2021, 01:01 AM
iceflower's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: , Germany
Posts: 61,550
A number of posts have been moved to our extra thread about titles, see here.
__________________
**** Welcome aboard! ****
Reply With Quote
  #234  
Old 10-03-2021, 04:20 PM
iceflower's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: , Germany
Posts: 61,550
All posts about the new book „Royal House: At Work for Denmark“ have been moved to our extra thread at the Royal Library subforum:

** Danish Royal Family Books **
__________________
**** Welcome aboard! ****
Reply With Quote
  #235  
Old 10-26-2021, 10:38 AM
Izzie's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: NORTH HOLLYWOOD, United States
Posts: 357
Can someone explain to me how the communications and social media work with the DRF? I believe in the British RF both KP and Claremce House each have their own social media (ie Instagram) to report on their events, engagements, they post IG lives, etc. Really keeping people informed of what they are doing, whether on the official calendar or not. They each have their own communications teams, etc and do not have to rely on the PR team from BP.

I'm just curious why that does not appear to be the same for the DRF with Mary/Frederik having their own separate social media to post about all they do official and non-official. Is there a reason why this cannot be done?

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #236  
Old 10-26-2021, 11:04 AM
maria-olivia's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brussels, Belgium
Posts: 6,806
To me Princess Benedikte is now a Danish full time Royal , the third place instead of our Marie.
I did not see her very often at Weddings or Funerals in Germany , where She is a Princess. Her Son prince Gustav and her daughter Princess Nathalie did not atttend their Cousin Wedding.
Her Sister Queen Margrete celebrated her 75th Birthday. Queen Anne Marie turned this year 75 and nothing happened.
Reply With Quote
  #237  
Old 10-26-2021, 11:06 AM
Blog Real's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 7,761
Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzie View Post
Can someone explain to me how the communications and social media work with the DRF? I believe in the British RF both KP and Claremce House each have their own social media (ie Instagram) to report on their events, engagements, they post IG lives, etc. Really keeping people informed of what they are doing, whether on the official calendar or not. They each have their own communications teams, etc and do not have to rely on the PR team from BP.

I'm just curious why that does not appear to be the same for the DRF with Mary/Frederik having their own separate social media to post about all they do official and non-official. Is there a reason why this cannot be done?

Thanks.
I think the British Royal Family is the only one that has separate social media for its members. All other royal families have the same media for all their members. Even if some of its members have their own instagram page (Carl Philip, Sofia and Madeleine in Sweden or Mette-Marit in Norway).
__________________
My blogs about monarchies
Reply With Quote
  #238  
Old 10-26-2021, 11:10 AM
Izzie's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: NORTH HOLLYWOOD, United States
Posts: 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blog Real View Post
I think the British Royal Family is the only one that has separate social media for its members. All other royal families have the same media for all their members. Even if some of its members have their own instagram page (Carl Philip, Sofia and Madeleine in Sweden or Mette-Marit in Norway).
Personally, IMO the way the British RF have it separate for the heir apparent and heir presumptive works better than having it all together. I think it would be a better set up for Mary and Frederik tbh. It would surely provide better coverage of their events and their other bts work like working meetings, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #239  
Old 10-26-2021, 02:28 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 14,990
The very likable, former Chief of Court, Søren Haslund Christensen is dead.
He passed away after a longer period of illness. He turned 88, a very decent age. He suffered from Alzheimer.

Søren Haslund Christensen had a very close relationship with not least M&F, also after he retired.
In many ways he was an extra father-figure and certainly a mentor for Frederik in particular.

- His dry humor will be missed.

https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...-er-gaaet-bort
Reply With Quote
  #240  
Old 10-26-2021, 03:09 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: xxx, Finland
Posts: 1,086
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhler View Post
Søren Haslund Christensen had a very close relationship with not least M&F, also after he retired.
In many ways he was an extra father-figure and certainly a mentor for Frederik in particular.
]
I would have thought Per Thornit would have been closer to them?
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
christian, danish law, isabella, mary: crown princess of denmark, royal dinner services


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Suggested changes or additional features RhapsodyBrat Forum Announcements and Admin 51 07-13-2011 11:59 AM
General News & Information for Prince Albert and Charlene Wittstock Zonk Current Events Archive 459 07-01-2011 01:13 PM




Popular Tags
18th birthday american archie mountbatten-windsor asia asian birth braganza britannia british british royal family cadwallader camilla camilla's family camilla parker-bowles camilla parker bowles castile charles china china chinese ming dynasty asia asian emperor royalty qing chinese clarence house colorblindness crown jewels de la cerda dresses dubai expo duchess of sussex duke of sussex edward vii family tree fashion and style george vi guzman highgrove history japan japanese imperial family japan history kensington palace king edward iii king edward vii king juan carlos liechtenstein lili mountbatten-windsor list of rulers maria ii medical monarchist movements monarchists mongolia nara period noble families norway crown princely couple orleans-braganza pedro ii politics portugal prince charles prince of wales prince of wales in jordan queen victoria samurai spanish royal family state visit st edward uae unfinished portrait united states wales welsh


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:59 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2022
Jelsoft Enterprises
×