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Old 11-06-2021, 04:01 PM
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In this day, with 24/24 and 7/7 availability via internet, the concept of a Rigsforstander is a bit mediaeval. Macron and Putin travel around there is no appointment for a stand-in in Paris or Moscow.

The Dutch King places a digital signature via his iPad, if there are urgent papers waiting for his consent. Back in The Hague he countersigns his digital signature on the official document itself: it is 2021, after all.

It would have been nice to see Mary in Germany.
Interesting about the digital signature. Had not occured to me tbh. And YES, it would have been great to see Mary on this visit.
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Old 11-06-2021, 04:13 PM
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In this day, with 24/24 and 7/7 availability via internet, the concept of a Rigsforstander is a bit mediaeval.
It would have been nice to see Mary in Germany.
Personally, I think having a regent or a rigsforstander is a very nice tradition. "Mediaval" or not. Not everything needs to be "2021".
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Old 11-06-2021, 04:20 PM
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Seeing the program, the first and second days seem heavier. The 3 and 4 on the lighter side, so maybe it was decided the Queen can do that on her own and Frederik take care of things at home.

Looking forward to this and seeing the Queen and Frederik together. The state visit to Argentina was such a treat.
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In this day, with 24/24 and 7/7 availability via internet, the concept of a Rigsforstander is a bit mediaeval. Macron and Putin travel around there is no appointment for a stand-in in Paris or Moscow.

The Dutch King places a digital signature via his iPad, if there are urgent papers waiting for his consent. Back in The Hague he countersigns his digital signature on the official document itself: it is 2021, after all.

It would have been nice to see Mary in Germany.
Sometimes it is not about modernity or digitalism, but tradition! Reasonable or not, it gives one a good feeling that someone beyond a leader of government remains in the country who is in charge.
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Old 11-06-2021, 06:05 PM
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Tradition is fine. But we must remember that under the pomp and circumstance is an actual business. Yes, the monarchy is a business. And that business model must constantly be reviewed and revised to fit the times so that the business side runs efficiently, effectively and things ere handled expeditiously. And yes, that can coexist with traditions such as the New Years courts, galas, etc. Modernity and tradition are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 11-06-2021, 07:05 PM
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Personally, I think having a regent or a rigsforstander is a very nice tradition. "Mediaval" or not. Not everything needs to be "2021".
Indeed Monarchy is all about tradition and also Danish queen is of a 'different generation' to the trendy touch of a button Dutch monarch.
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Old 11-06-2021, 07:15 PM
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In this day, with 24/24 and 7/7 availability via internet, the concept of a Rigsforstander is a bit mediaeval. Macron and Putin travel around there is no appointment for a stand-in in Paris or Moscow.

The Dutch King places a digital signature via his iPad, if there are urgent papers waiting for his consent. Back in The Hague he countersigns his digital signature on the official document itself: it is 2021, after all.

It would have been nice to see Mary in Germany.
Whatever works in the Netherlands is their business.
Here it's good to have a Rigsforstander around at any time.

Those who wrote the first democratic constitution were wise and wanted to cover every possible eventuality - just in case.
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Old 11-06-2021, 08:05 PM
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It is okay by me folks. No problem. If the Danes think the Crown Princess can not be in neighbouring Germany because she has "to lead" the country. Fine. If that helps the Danes having a calm heart: "The water will flow out of the taps, the trains will run on time, because Mary is in charge", why not.

In my simplicity I think: "Where are these well-paid professionals, named ministers, when you need them?"
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Old 11-06-2021, 09:24 PM
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Because all power stems from the Monarch, the Regent or the Rigsforstander.
While the government can make administrative decisions, no laws are valid until one of the above have signed it.

Example: M&F + QMII crash on the way back from Germany. Joachim is in Mali and can't move due to a sandstorm. Who knows when he will be back?
Benedikte can't be found.

Back in DK there is an emergency, the government has stepped down due to scandal and functions as a business ministry.
Corona is on the rise (it really is) and as the period where the government can impose administrative restrictions has expired, (it has) it requires a law to introduce the necessary restrictions. But there are no one to sign the bill passed in the Parliament.
The Parliament now have to appoint a temporary Rigsforstander, but the politicians can't even agree on what day it is!

At the same time the Swedes are concentrating two brigades of Volvos on the other side of the Oresound Bridge, and who knows what they may be up to!

- It is of course slightly dramatized, but the main point is that the Danish Monarch has a direct Constitutional role to play.
Bypassing the Monarch, even in an emergency, is an illegal act and creates an interesting precedence - and that is taken very seriously here!
In fact there are quite a few politicians who would very much like to put the current PM before a court for exceeding the government's powers during the Corona emergency and she might actually be put before a court, albeit on a technicality.

So it's not a question of the country managing without Mary around as Rigsforstander, it's a question a breaching the Constitution.
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Old 11-07-2021, 04:12 AM
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It goes pretty far when you analyse it. Not only is Denmark a monarchy, where the head of state is determined by hereditary succession. Soit. So be it. The Danes have no say in it, as also people in 7 more European countries and some city-states.

But here the constitutional power is not even in hands of the monarch or a hereditary successor. No, it is given to a non-Danish born Tasmanian whom happens to be married into the royal family. That she is given the reins of state goes pretty far.

But okay, apparently the Danes are happy with it. In most monarchies the King, and the King only, can execute the (theoretical) royal privilege unless a Regent is appointed (which is not an easy procedure in most monarchies.)

Well, I wish Mary (and the Danes) calm and peaceful days as Rigsforstander.
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Old 11-07-2021, 05:07 AM
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But here the constitutional power is not even in hands of the monarch or a hereditary successor. No, it is given to a non-Danish born Tasmanian whom happens to be married into the royal family. That she is given the reins of state goes pretty far.


But she is given it only for a few days. In your own Monarchy when the present King would have died before his oldest daughter would have turned 18 you would have gone to an argentinian born woman as Regent for her. And you also had a german born woman acting as Regent for her daughter for 8 years.
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Old 11-07-2021, 05:46 AM
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It goes pretty far when you analyse it. Not only is Denmark a monarchy, where the head of state is determined by hereditary succession. Soit. So be it. The Danes have no say in it, as also people in 7 more European countries and some city-states.

But here the constitutional power is not even in hands of the monarch or a hereditary successor. No, it is given to a non-Danish born Tasmanian whom happens to be married into the royal family. That she is given the reins of state goes pretty far.

But okay, apparently the Danes are happy with it. In most monarchies the King, and the King only, can execute the (theoretical) royal privilege unless a Regent is appointed (which is not an easy procedure in most monarchies.)

Well, I wish Mary (and the Danes) calm and peaceful days as Rigsforstander.
According to all polls and myself, we are indeed happy with Mary as Rigsforstander.
She (and Queen Ingrid with whom she is so often compared) has earned the trust and confidence of not only QMII but also the politicians. There is no way Mary would be appointed Rigsforstander if the politicians didn't have faith in her. That may IMO very well not have been the case with PH.

Even critics of Frederik, and there are still quite a few around, are delighted that Mary is there and exercise the influence she does. (I refer off hand to a recent article in BT by Ditte Okmann - a professional opinion-maker.)
It's a question of being practical. Mary is there, she can fulfill the task (also in the worst case scenario) being a very experienced senior royal, - use her.

As for Mary being a Hobart commoner, that doesn't hold water.
Mary is the Crown Princess, a very experienced and trusted senior royal. She has lived half her adult life as a high ranking royal - it's natural to her now.
Anyway, QMII can appoint anyone (provided a few criteria are met) to be Rigsforstander, also from outside the DRF. If I was a member of the State Church, she could in theory appoint me. - Even before Joachim. - And there is very little, if any, blue blood in me. - My family appears to have been peasants since the glaciers retreated...

The Regent is always the Heir.
But the Rigsforstander is someone who is experienced and trusted enough to fulfill the task, preferably from within the DRF.
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Old 11-07-2021, 09:18 AM
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But she is given it only for a few days. In your own Monarchy when the present King would have died before his oldest daughter would have turned 18 you would have gone to an argentinian born woman as Regent for her. And you also had a german born woman acting as Regent for her daughter for 8 years.
The two Houses of Parliament have to assemble in a special joint session, to read and debate a Bill on the appointment of a Regent and have to approve it with a 2/3rd majority. That Regent is double tied by A - the Cabinet and B - a Regency Council which has to approve and consent all acts of the Regent as they are the guardians of the minor King. So there is a democratic mandate first and a strict control second. I think it is not comparable.
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Old 11-10-2021, 05:25 AM
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The Queen and the CP Frederik arrive Berlin for the State Visit today


https://www.instagram.com/p/CWFwbVLADpQ/

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Here are more photos of the first day of the state visit today, November 10:


** ppe gallery ** kongehuset: Statsbesøg i Tyskland - dag 1 **


** gettyimages gallery: DEU: Queen Margrethe of Denmark And Crown Prince Frederik Visit Germany - Day 1 **
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Old 11-10-2021, 02:30 PM
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I suppose it's mandatory to wear masks indoors in Germany?

QMII and Frederik are of course not going to Germany to enjoy the view.
As with most things in life it's about money. Because this is QMII's second state visit to Germany, normally you go for a state visit to a given country once during a reign. But the only purpose of rules is to bend them...

Germany is the largest export market, with countries like China, Sweden, USA at the top and now to a lesser degree UK.
So this visit is very much to show the flag, help Danish commerce and especially to cement the good relations between DK and Germany.

Because after Brexit and with a trade war and/or a hard Brexit looming in the horizon that's important, because UK was the 5th largest export market for Danish products, not least agricultural products like pork.
So since 2016 in anticipation of the worst case scenario for Danish export to Britain, other markets have been cultivated heavily. China in particular, but also Korea and Japan have replaced Britain as major export markets for poultry, dairy and and pork, especially China, who would buy our entire production of pork if they could! So there is a big interest in increasing the export to Germany.
Germany on the other hand is interested in Danish know how, especially in regards to IT-infrastructure where DK is up front and Germany intends to improve their IT infrastructure massively, since they discovered that they were hopelessly behind during the lockdowns in connection with Corona.

So I am certain we can expect a follow up visit within a couple of years, probably involving M&F, to promote additional Danish export within the sectors the Germans are most interested in, and for the signing of the final contracts in the background. - That's pretty typical for Danish commerce offensives headed by the DRF.
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Old 11-10-2021, 03:11 PM
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I suppose it's mandatory to wear masks indoors in Germany?

QMII and Frederik are of course not going to Germany to enjoy the view.
As with most things in life it's about money. Because this is QMII's second state visit to Germany, normally you go for a state visit to a given country once during a reign. But the only purpose of rules is to bend them...

Germany is the largest export market, with countries like China, Sweden, USA at the top and now to a lesser degree UK.
So this visit is very much to show the flag, help Danish commerce and especially to cement the good relations between DK and Germany.

Because after Brexit and with a trade war and/or a hard Brexit looming in the horizon that's important, because UK was the 5th largest export market for Danish products, not least agricultural products like pork.
So since 2016 in anticipation of the worst case scenario for Danish export to Britain, other markets have been cultivated heavily. China in particular, but also Korea and Japan have replaced Britain as major export markets for poultry, dairy and and pork, especially China, who would buy our entire production of pork if they could! So there is a big interest in increasing the export to Germany.
Germany on the other hand is interested in Danish know how, especially in regards to IT-infrastructure where DK is up front and Germany intends to improve their IT infrastructure massively, since they discovered that they were hopelessly behind during the lockdowns in connection with Corona.

So I am certain we can expect a follow up visit within a couple of years, probably involving M&F, to promote additional Danish export within the sectors the Germans are most interested in, and for the signing of the final contracts in the background. - That's pretty typical for Danish commerce offensives headed by the DRF.
Thanks! And China, Japan and Korea have been visited semi recently by Frederik and Mary.

Im sure the Queen and Frederik are enjoying the visit together, some sweet pictures
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...n-ved-saerligt
https://www.bt.dk/royale/bt-i-berlin...r-vaeldig-godt

https://twitter.com/BrianAMikkelsen/...99221959622661

The gala tonight. The Queen looks so good! And Frederik in a tux very handsome
https://content.invisioncic.com/r388...7819ada98e.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...72?s=2048x2048
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...78?s=2048x2048
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Somehow the central pearl on the brooch got lost between the arrival of the Queen and the Defilee.
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