Princess Caroline Current Events Part 1: April 2008 - October 2010

[debbie8521]

It's Danielle Steele!

[Thecia]

Okay, now I'm confused. I'm trying to think of a Danielle Steel book with that sort of cover. At first I thought it might be Amazing Grace. I might have to hit Amazon of Google or something. Are you sure it's Danielle Steel? For some reason, I can't imagine Caroline reading a Danielle Steel book. She just doesn't seem the type of person to read a romance novel. But hey, if she does, then that's all good.

[debrann]

Thecia, thanx for the pic and arcticle and whereabouts is the family estate of Marchais?

[Thecia]

Debrann, here's the link to the thread on the Chateau de Marchais
Marchais Estate
And it's in the commune of Marchais, in the Aisne department in Northern France. Here's the wiki stub link
Marchais, Aisne

[lazuli]

Originally Posted by Thecia

Yesterday, Saturday June 12, Caroline opened the family estate of Marchais for dog hunting trials. Caroline said she "learned a lot" from the experience.

Pic - Article - Translation

This is something i'll never understand... P. Caroline seems to be such a children lover and protecter, she's always in the company of animals ( dogs, horses... ), and then, one of her favourite sports is hunting... killing animals for funn?!?!?

[Thecia]

I know, I don't quite get it either. Modern hunting generally doesn't involve animals (clay pigeons and modern fox hunting) but I do remember seeing photos of Caroline with a dead bird I think. I think hunting is a little barbaric to be honest. "Nothing like a little bit of bonding of the blood-letting of innocent animals!" But I suppose, when you're brought up with it, you're okay with it. It kind of goes against everything else she seems to stand for though. She said in an interview that one of the pros of moving to St Remy was being able to have lots of animals. "Yeah, I love you animals but I'll kill your cousins!"
Sorry, I don't mean to come across so strong it's just that I don't get it. The dogs are cute though.

[Horseygal]

...sick as it is, it's seems to be more about tradition that animal rights....almost all royal families in every country hunts animals, has furs, mounted heads, etc....and, they love their horses, dogs, etc...

[Marisaa]

we eat animals(pigs etc)...don't forget

[Horseygal]

I don't know how much of he hunting they do is about consumption than about sport (I refer to the quail hunting, mostly); I don't imagine that consumption is the purpose as much as the thrill of the hunt.....IMHO. I'm not a vegetarian, either, but I cannot imagine hunting for sport - not knocking anyone who does, it's just not my thing. Some feel that horses shouldn't be ridden for sport, and are against circuses, dog fighting, etc, where animals are used for our pleasure....arguments can be made all around.....

[emmalisa]

Originally Posted by debbie8521

It's Danielle Steele!

I doubt that. If you search via Amazon.com you will find books of Ms Steel with distinctive typografy on the cover. The name of the author is printed with large font. :-)

[iloveroyals]

Originally Posted by Thecia

Yesterday, Saturday June 12, Caroline opened the family estate of Marchais for dog hunting trials. Caroline said she "learned a lot" from the experience.

Pic - Article - Translation

I don't have strong opinions about hunting, but I know what hunting means. You have to know if you want to understand the aforementioned article, which talks about everything except the purpose of all those tests and preparations. The dogs, mostly, (everybody loves dogs), the reading of the land, the skills involved, the relationship between dogs and masters, the learning from the experience. Yes, we read about traces left by the animals and the scent of fear. The animals, called "gibier" in French, with a double connotation of "born to be prey" and "food" (you eat gibier), is called "game" in English. Interesting word. Well, anyway, hunting is all about competence, learning experience, bonding; hunting is educational and sentimental. Nothing about gratuitous violence, blood, death. This post is about the article, (how to talk about a subject while evading it entirely so as to elicit the wanted reactions which will cover the spontaneous reactions, and deflect passing judgment, necessarily uneducated without reading the article and therefore invalid), not about Princess Caroline, whose choice of past-times I won't comment on. The article did the thinking for me : hunting is a wonderful (and so good for the mind ! and the soul!) activity. Oh, those lucky ones! We wouldn't know what we're missing without our writing guide.

[azure]

Originally Posted by Thecia

Yesterday, Saturday June 12, Caroline opened the family estate of Marchais for dog hunting trials. Caroline said she "learned a lot" from the experience.

Pic - Article - Translation

I think her outfit is really similar to the one she wore in Paris..If you remember some pictures of her in Paris recently when she went shopping?

[debrann]

Originally Posted by iloveroyals

I don't have strong opinions about hunting, but I know what hunting means. You have to know if you want to understand the aforementioned article, which talks about everything except the purpose of all those tests and preparations. The dogs, mostly, (everybody loves dogs), the reading of the land, the skills involved, the relationship between dogs and masters, the learning from the experience. Yes, we read about traces left by the animals and the scent of fear. The animals, called "gibier" in French, with a double connotation of "born to be prey" and "food" (you eat gibier), is called "game" in English. Interesting word. Well, anyway, hunting is all about competence, learning experience, bonding; hunting is educational and sentimental. Nothing about gratuitous violence, blood, death. This post is about the article, (how to talk about a subject while evading it entirely so as to elicit the wanted reactions which will cover the spontaneous reactions, and deflect passing judgment, necessarily uneducated without reading the article and therefore invalid), not about Princess Caroline, whose choice of past-times I won't comment on. The article did the thinking for me : hunting is a wonderful (and so good for the mind ! and the soul!) activity. Oh, those lucky ones! We wouldn't know what we're missing without our writing guide.

ILR - I so embrace your comments - I was brought with hunting by my father and brother who both hunted different animals - I'm not into hunting myself - but hunting is a skilled sport so thank you

[Thecia]

Originally Posted by iloveroyals

I don't have strong opinions about hunting, but I know what hunting means. You have to know if you want to understand the aforementioned article, which talks about everything except the purpose of all those tests and preparations. The dogs, mostly, (everybody loves dogs), the reading of the land, the skills involved, the relationship between dogs and masters, the learning from the experience. Yes, we read about traces left by the animals and the scent of fear. The animals, called "gibier" in French, with a double connotation of "born to be prey" and "food" (you eat gibier), is called "game" in English. Interesting word. Well, anyway, hunting is all about competence, learning experience, bonding; hunting is educational and sentimental. Nothing about gratuitous violence, blood, death. This post is about the article, (how to talk about a subject while evading it entirely so as to elicit the wanted reactions which will cover the spontaneous reactions, and deflect passing judgment, necessarily uneducated without reading the article and therefore invalid), not about Princess Caroline, whose choice of past-times I won't comment on. The article did the thinking for me : hunting is a wonderful (and so good for the mind ! and the soul!) activity. Oh, those lucky ones! We wouldn't know what we're missing without our writing guide.

Oh no, I'm not knocking hunting, don't get me wrong. I was brought up in a family of hunters (I don't hunt myself though) and know the amount of skill and precision it takes to do well. I was merely commenting on the perceived conflict between Caroline's caring and nurturing nature and the fact the she enjoys hunting. That's why I did the whole thing about loving the animals but killing their cousins. But I don't knock Caroline for it. She's allowed and it's her life not mine. It's the same as not knocking Caroline if she wears fur. I'll comment on it if it looks ugly (like that chinchilla one she wore to the concert on National Day last year) but I'm not going to begrudge her for wearing fur.
I do personally do find hunting a little barbaric, that some people (not necessarily all - many people simply hunt for enjoyment) perceive it as some sort of bonding experience to kill animals but I'm not about to hate on Caroline for liking it. Hunting - to me - is as much a mental challenge as it is a physical challenge, so I can see why Caroline would enjoy it. It's not like I can really pass judgment. Though I do have to point out that hunting is like fishing - that involves killing animals too but nobody really seems to object.

[Thecia]

In honour of World Refugee Day on June 20, the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) and the Monaco Department of International Cooperation will hold a public conference on June 18 attended by Princess Caroline.
Source: UNHCR.org
It's looking less and less likely that Caroline will attend the Swedish royal wedding on June 19. Aftonbladet reported today on people who might attend but might not: (translated with Google)

Princess Caroline of Monaco - reportedly the Swedish court is not so fond of her husband Ernst August's wild partying. He got too drunk and missed the Spanish wedding in 2004.

Though if Caroline and Ernst aren't technically together anymore, I can't see why that would be a problem. It would merely be a case of whether Caroline could make it on time. I should stress that the court has never released a guest list and will not until the wedding day (the final guest list). The list that has been presented so far is a provisional guest list of people who may attend but for one reason or another may not. And recent reports from the Swedish and German media are that there has been no confirmation from Monaco, though that may have changed in the past fortnight or so. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Horseygal]

Originally Posted by Thecia

In honour of World Refugee Day on June 20, the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) and the Monaco Department of International Cooperation will hold a public conference on June 18 attended by Princess Caroline.
Source: UNHCR.org
It's looking less and less likely that Caroline will attend the Swedish royal wedding on June 19. Aftonbladet reported today on people who might attend but might not: (translated with Google)
Though if Caroline and Ernst aren't technically together anymore, I can't see why that would be a problem. It would merely be a case of whether Caroline could make it on time. I should stress that the court has never released a guest list and will not until the wedding day (the final guest list). The list that has been presented so far is a provisional guest list of people who may attend but for one reason or another may not. And recent reports from the Swedish and German media are that there has been no confirmation from Monaco, though that may have changed in the past fortnight or so. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know Hello mag has indicated who has been confirmed (UK, Norway, Spain, etc), but if Caroline doesn't attend, would Stephanie or one of Caroline's kids go in her place, or can she ask that Prince Albert attend?

[Thecia]

Originally Posted by Horseygal

I know Hello mag has indicated who has been confirmed (UK, Norway, Spain, etc), but if Caroline doesn't attend, would Stephanie or one of Caroline's kids go in her place, or can she ask that Prince Albert attend?

Stephanie has said that she doesn't get invited to royal events and my inference is that she likes it that way. I sincerely doubt that one of the Casiraghi's would attend in Caroline's stead at such an important international event (the Grand Prix is one thing but quite possibly the royal event of the year is quite another ). Albert has, however, been invited also, along with his partner Charlene. I read an article today (confirming that Edward and Sohpie will represent Britain) of confirmed guests and still, no confirmation from Monaco. There is another slight problem - Albert is in South Africa for the World Cup, so unless he flies to Sweden for the wedding and then back to South Africa, he can't attend either. I personally would love to see Caroline attend. She proved at the Denmark wedding that she's just as classy and worthy of being there as any other royal. However, she was invited on her husband's merit, not her own. The same with the Spanish wedding. So now that she and Ernst are to all eyes separated, I wonder what the case will be.

[lazuli]

Originally Posted by Thecia

Stephanie has said that she doesn't get invited to royal events and my inference is that she likes it that way. I sincerely doubt that one of the Casiraghi's would attend in Caroline's stead at such an important international event (the Grand Prix is one thing but quite possibly the royal event of the year is quite another ). Albert has, however, been invited also, along with his partner Charlene. I read an article today (confirming that Edward and Sohpie will represent Britain) of confirmed guests and still, no confirmation from Monaco. There is another slight problem - Albert is in South Africa for the World Cup, so unless he flies to Sweden for the wedding and then back to South Africa, he can't attend either. I personally would love to see Caroline attend. She proved at the Denmark wedding that she's just as classy and worthy of being there as any other royal. However, she was invited on her husband's merit, not her own. The same with the Spanish wedding. So now that she and Ernst are to all eyes separated, I wonder what the case will be.

Charlene was invited to a royal wedding?!? THE MISTRESS of a sovereign invited to a royal event?!? To a wedding that's also a state affair?!? Someone who no official link whatsoever with a royal family among the european royalty?!? Sweden invited the mistress of a rulling prince BUT NOT HIS SISTER, born and bred among royals, of royal blood herself, and invites a commoner whose credencials are exclusively having an obscure relationship with the sovereign of Monaco ?!? I'm shocked...

[Thecia]

Originally Posted by lazuli

Charlene was invited to a royal wedding?!? THE MISTRESS of a sovereign invited to a royal event?!? To a wedding that's also a state affair?!? Someone who no official link whatsoever with a royal family among the european royalty?!? Sweden invited the mistress of a rulling prince BUT NOT HIS SISTER, born and bred among royals, of royal blood herself, and invites a commoner whose credencials are exclusively having an obscure relationship with the sovereign of Monaco ?!? I'm shocked...

Well, so was I. As far as I know, no girlfriend was ever invited to an event such as this before they officially became engaged to whatever prince they were connected to. However, there are a couple of theories. That there is some personal friendship between the bridal couple and Charlene or that they actually are engaged. However, I still think Caroline is a better alternative. Yes, part of that is me playing favourites but part of it is also me thinking that Caroline would do a better job, if there was a job to do at such an event. She just seems a more natural choice. Although, if what I posted above is true and they really don't want to invite Caroline because of Ernst, then perhaps they sought Charlene as the alternative.

[Hobie14]

How about the possibility that the reigning prince goes and the “next in Line” stays home in case of security risk ? Other royal houses are holding back one at home. True Caroline has a life time of practice, but it’s no secret HSH Albert takes Charlene on trips.