Jazmin Grace Grimaldi (Rotolo) 2 : April 2006 - June 2006

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by magnik

Maybe PA will say that. But I don't think that the mother - if it will be prove that the girl is Albert's daughter, want keep it in a private.

Of course the mother won't keep it private, who cares. PA shouldn't be making any more public statements about his illegitimate children falling out of the closet. It's undignified. If he wants to support them and the mothers want to blab, so be it. Lets face it, this is why they got pregnant in the first place; both cases are a set up by these women. Even if TR's claims are false, she meant to pass Jazmin off as PA's even if she was already pregnant when they got busy in July 1991, in which Jazmin was born 8 months not 9 months later.

[magnik]

Originally Posted by TrustWorthy

Other than the initial case 14 years ago -- she has kept it quite -- unless you can prove me wrong.

Yes, but 14 years ago he wasn't a ruler, wasn't so rich and doesn't acknowledge out-of-wedlock son.

[LadyMacAlpine]

Originally Posted by pama

On the magazine cover is PA with JGG or It just a cover the one with her wearing jeanes.same clothing with her mother in Paris.I don't know what to make of prince Albert any more. when one is expected to bow to royalty when in their presence to show respect at all time as they out rank us.meaning the diffrence between a commoner and royalty then a queen or king own It to his or her people what every thing means.for them not to wonder .That they are safe from scandel .Great leadership.

This photo is the one you mean same clothes with hands in her pockets etc. I read it was taken in December 2005 while in Monaco. Interesting almost 3 months before Albert was in Paris something doesn't smell right here. So whats next? The press will do anything to sell papers not to mention get peoples heads messed up. Photo is from page 18 of the other thread posted by Tbhrc.
Since some believe Tamara isn't talking to the press at all any idea who they think has feed them with personal private photo's of Jazmin when she was younger and then one of Tamara and Albert? Albert does have a law suit going over this. Tamara doesn't want this to be quiet she is just doing it in a way people don't see.

[BurberryBrit]

Originally Posted by magnik

Maybe PA will say that. But I don't think that the mother - if it will be prove that the girl is Albert's daughter, want keep it in a private.

I doubt TR will want to keep it quiet if a test comfirms paternity. But, maybe enough money will keep her quiet.

[pinklady1991]

Originally Posted by teense

Pinky, you really brought up an interesting point...
Why is PA ignoring the magazines that tell about a secret daughter and then taking legal action against a magazine who published photos from a vacation?
Alleging that he has been visiting with a secret daughter is far more serious than pictures from his vacation and saying it was like a honeymoon.....
Why would someone who is not afraid to sue allow such stories about a secret daughter to be continually published?

He did start legal proceedings against Voici at the end of February for the same kind of story about JG and TR being in Monaco over the holidays. The paparazzi are always photographing royals on vacation so I don't know why this latest one is any different...look at the photo threads on this site. But still it doesn't explain the lack of consistency...

At first I thought he'd ignore those that weren't true and sue over the ones that are but now I don't know...then I thought about him only suing French magazines b/c of the way the laws were written...but he sued Bunte over the Alexandre photos... Anyone have any thoughts on this? I keep running in circles.

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine

This photo is the one you mean same clothes with hands in her pockets etc. I read it was taken in December 2005 while in Monaco. Interesting almost 3 months before Albert was in Paris something doesn't smell right here. So whats next? The press will do anything to sell papers not to mention get peoples heads messed up. Photo is from page 18 of the other thread posted by Tbhrc.
Since some believe Tamara isn't talking to the press at all any idea who they think has feed them with personal private photo's of Jazmin when she was younger and then one of Tamara and Albert? Albert does have a law suit going over this. Tamara doesn't want this to be quiet she is just doing it in a way people don't see.

I think it's obvious that the pictures have been pasted together by the tabloids. And while it is not impossible that PA is the father, I think Jazmin just doesn't look like a Grimaldi or a Kelly. She just doesn't look like PA's kid or any member of those families. One thing is for sure, when you look at the MRF and the Kelly family, you see a resemblance whether it's cousins Melanie or Sebastian and the whole de Massy clan who look right at home with their cousins Caroline, Albert and Stephanie, or whether it's Grace and her sisters and their resemblance to Caro, PA, Steph and their children, especially Camille's resemblane to Lizanne. And even though Andrea and Pierre look like their dad, Stefano, the shape of Andrea's mouth is very much like his mothers with Charlotte being a carbon copy of her mother. And the older Caro gets, the more she resembles her aunt Peggy.

There's also the 4-7 weeks missing from the timeline of the conception of Jazmin and her birth. So if PA is the father of Jazmin, he should be supporting her as I mentioned in my previous post but I just don't see where he is.

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by pinklady1991

He did start legal proceedings against Voici at the end of February for the same kind of story about JG and TR being in Monaco over the holidays. The paparazzi are always photographing royals on vacation so I don't know why this latest one is any different...look at the photo threads on this site. But still it doesn't explain the lack of consistency...

I had no idea he actually started legal proceedings over the alleged Christmas meeting with Jazmin and her mother. But I guess he can't sue everyone who claims he has a "secret" child somewhere. He does have a country to run after all and eventually the tabloids will move on to some other story even if TR continues to pop up in Paris.

[pama]

Thank you lady mac

[sandsla]

Originally Posted by pinklady1991

He did start legal proceedings against Voici at the end of February for the same kind of story about JG and TR being in Monaco over the holidays. The paparazzi are always photographing royals on vacation so I don't know why this latest one is any different...look at the photo threads on this site. But still it doesn't explain the lack of consistency...

At first I thought he'd ignore those that weren't true and sue over the ones that are but now I don't know...then I thought about him only suing French magazines b/c of the way the laws were written...but he sued Bunte over the Alexandre photos... Anyone have any thoughts on this? I keep running in circles.

I'm not sure, but different laws apply in different countries as it looks like you are referring. France sided with him while Germany did not in the case of Nicole (am I right there?). In the U.S. I don't believe he could sue for using his likeness as he is not a private citizen & different laws apply for public figures & celebrities here than they do for a typical private citizen (which is why you often see a blurred out face next to a celebrity). But he could sue for defamation, fraud, etc. I guess he just has to pick his battles. I think he should have just let the Maldive photos alone - it only keeps them around longer, & brings more attention to them, not sure really the thinking there?

Also, I noticed you had previously asked about a signature on the California birth cert. The father's signature does not appear on a CA birth cert. just the mother's. The other signature would be the doctors (two sigs here required I think). I guess because they can only verify the mother that actually gave birth & not the father. But the mother can put whom ever they want down as the father, but it doesn't make it so or legal. My father's signature is not on my birth cert. I took a look at it because I was wondering about the weight, but that is only on my hospital birth cert (not the one filed with the recorder). I was curious how much Jazmin weighed? If she was a primi? <speculation deleted - Elspeth>

[Toledo]

Thanks to everyone that posted with more information, in particular the one published in other languages besides english most of us don't have access to.

[leahteresa]

Originally Posted by mwhite3182

for the sake of the young girl in the middle of all of this, Jazmin. If the mother's not telling the truth, DNA will tell. I don't see why Prince Albert doesn't do a DNA test to settle it once and for all.

That's what I've been saying forever. SHOW ME THE DNA. I cannot say if she is or isn't based on conception/birth date, resemblance, the character of the mother, name on the birth certificate or PA's motives. What I can say is that his unwillingness to submit to a DNA test has paturnity written all over it. It's like taking the fifth amendment.

[pinklady1991]

Originally Posted by leahteresa

That's what I've been saying forever. SHOW ME THE DNA. I cannot say if she is or isn't based on conception/birth date, resemblance, the character of the mother, name on the birth certificate or PA's motives. What I can say is that his unwillingness to submit to a DNA test has paturnity written all over it. It's like taking the fifth amendment.

You crack me up, leahteresa...best line I've read in a while. Have to admit though, I'm kind of thinking the same thing...

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Laviollette

I personally think it's appalling that her mother was allowed to put "Grimaldi" as her last name. I don't understand the practice here in the U.S. I actually know someone who had a child by a man who was secretly married and gave a false name, including the last name. After my friend gave birth, he disappeared but she had already put his last name on her son's birth certificate and only found out later that it wasn't even his real name. So the young man has a false name. She didn't change it because that's the name he's had since infancy. :(

One of my friends had a similar experience but kind of reversed. Her ex-boyfriend (and father of the child) was also in the hospital while she was giving birth and, without her knowledge wrote down the name he wanted and his surname for the boy. My friend had a fit because she did not wanted anything to do with him but ended up stuck with her son having a name she was not even consulted about. After that, she would have to go to court and pay a large fee to change the name, so she gave up on that one. That woman, Tamara Rotolo, used the same flexibility we have in the USA to give her baby any name and surname she wanted. Too bad she did not choose Windsor instead

On the physical resemblance, I do not see it. The Grimaldi women seem to take features from the strong influence of either Grace Kelly and her family of from Rainier's mother. That Rotolo offspring (I can't call her Grace Grimaldi, it's almost offensive to her memory) does not look like any branch, bud, root or dry leaf of either dynasty.

[Laviollette]

Originally Posted by leahteresa

That's what I've been saying forever. SHOW ME THE DNA. I cannot say if she is or isn't based on conception/birth date, resemblance, the character of the mother, name on the birth certificate or PA's motives. What I can say is that his unwillingness to submit to a DNA test has paturnity written all over it. It's like taking the fifth amendment.

It seems to me he feels taken for a ride, blackmailed, extorted, whatever and he's dug his heels in and will not do the DNA test. He has been rather stubborn about it but maybe he has his reasons. Or maybe he feels this is not his problem, he doesn't want to have anything to do with this woman and isn't going to dignify her with a response. In his NY Times interview last November, he said he thought she had gone away until he became ruler of MC and the story about his son came out, basically calling her a gold digger.

[TrustWorthy]

Originally Posted by Laviollette

It seems to me he feels taken for a ride, blackmailed, extorted, whatever and he's dug his heels in and will not do the DNA test. He has been rather stubborn about it but maybe he has his reasons. Or maybe he feels this is not his problem, he doesn't want to have anything to do with this woman and isn't going to dignify her with a response. In his NY Times interview last November, he said he thought she had gone away until he became ruler of MC and the story about his son came out, basically calling her a gold digger.

It has been reported in many places that JGG was in Monaco at Christmas (according to articles and previous posts; first class travel, Monaco hotel, met at airport by bodyguard and driver -- who can afford Monaco at Christmas and why was she there and not with family, unless...) and the recent articles showing JGG, Albert and LeCoste together (no not in the same frame but let's read between the lines here) in Paris this week or last (Again, the article talks of first class travel, bodyguard and drivers). I truly believe both PA and TR decided years ago to keep JGG a secret to allow her a private life but now with her older the two (PA and JGG) have more in common and PA wants to see her more -- the reason for the recent photos. The more they see each other the more chances there are of being caught -- and they were. Has anyone else noticed that in many of the photos both TR and JGG look rather nicely dressed and poised? Even the photos of Jazmin, at 15, has the look of a confident and poised young lady, as if she's been in the public eye all her life -- that surprises me and maybe even saddens me.

[hsh1969]

Originally Posted by TrustWorthy

It has been reported in many places that JGG was in Monaco at Christmas (according to articles and previous posts; first class travel, Monaco hotel, met at airport by bodyguard and driver --

Trustworthy which other places has this been reported? I've been looking and asking around to some people that I know has access to this info and nobody is able to tell me nothing. I don't doubt you, but at least in this board there are a lot of people who can read pretty much in any language, have access to a bunch of magazines (which of course you can not always trust) but except this already posted magazines, I can not find any other places.

Re: JR looking poised and self-assured, you betcha she knows those pix were going to be taken, her mother and her has begining to look like Brooke Shields and her mother when she was parading her around.:(

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Laviollette

And I'm also waiting for him to sue Oggi, Bunte and other Euro tabloids who've been doing this "secret daughter" story since it's a far better reason to sue than for photos of him and his girlfriend snuggling up together on vacation.

We need to understand that "invasion of privacy" relates to unauthorised photos taken while the subject is engaged in "private business" and published without his or her consent. This is why Princess Caroline was successful in her lawsuits against various magazines.

The practice of making up or publishing speculative stories does not fall under invasion of privacy, and these days is the standard "journalism" found in most gossip magazines.

[Tosca]

Well, just out of curiosity, is Rotolo Tamara's maiden name or her ex husband's surname. If so why JG is still bearing the surname of her mother's former husband, if she was born of another man?
In Italy men can require disownment of paternity when their are sure the kids are not theirs.
The most sensational case here was that of a famous photographer's wife, who had an affair and a son with Brazilian soccer player Paulo Roberto Falcao.
Since the lady was still married when the kid was born, he received the surname of his mother's husband, even though she had informed the man she was having a child with another man.
Later, when they divorced the photographer filed for disownment of paternity, and then the kid received his mother's maiden name.
Falcao always refused to take a paternity test, for this reason the law court stated Falcao was the father and obliged him to give his surname to the boy and provide for him, which he never did.

[pinklady1991]

Originally Posted by Warren

We need to understand that "invasion of privacy" relates to unauthorised photos taken while the subject is engaged in "private business" and published without his or her consent. This is why Princess Caroline was successful in her lawsuits against various magazines.

The practice of making up or publishing speculative stories does not fall under invasion of privacy, and these days is the standard "journalism" found in most gossip magazines.

Thanks for the clarification, Warren. We're probably all more perplexed on the slander/libel issues involved with TR & JG and getting issues confused.

[donatella]

Originally Posted by Tosca

Well, just out of curiosity, is Rotolo Tamara's maiden name or her ex husband's surname. If so why JG is still bearing the surname of her mother's former husband, if she was born of another man?
In Italy men can require disownment of paternity when their are sure the kids are not theirs.
The most sensational case here was that of a famous photographer's wife, who had an affair and a son with Brazilian soccer player Paulo Roberto Falcao.
Since the lady was still married when the kid was born, he received the surname of his mother's husband, even though she had informed the man she was having a child with another man.
Later, when they divorced the photographer filed for disownment of paternity, and then the kid received his mother's maiden name.
Falcao always refused to take a paternity test, for this reason the law court stated Falcao was the father and obliged him to give his surname to the boy and provide for him, which he never did.

If I remember correctly there was an article in the Mail on Sunday paper last year that mentions his name and I don't belive it was Rotolo. maybe somebody can find it.