Originally Posted by Jaya
Greek was the English of the day and you are being literal and rigid by implying that the modern Greeks would apply these ancient rules . That is not what I meant.
No paca the Olympic games belong to Greece by modern copyright.
Just as the swastika is symbolic of Jainism and their copyright.
What I mean by doing older traditions is like the Marathon, Athens run and swimming in the ocean.and various other things other than the actual copying of the Olympics from then.The Olympics are about a "truce" but they belong to Greece as Diana's image to her family.I think you are hyperbolic to think the Greeks would actually make everyone adhere to the rules from antiquity as Theodore Pangalos outspoken individual of this movement said "they used horses then now we use cars to get to work"
I think you have proved my point in that every time someone says return the Olympic games or the Elgin Marbles to Greece the excuses override the facts
1. the Olympic Games belong in Greece [by modern standards the copyright is theirs]
2.Either the Greeks or the others should come to this realization that it is only a courtesy they are allowed out of Greece.
3 I think that eventually they will say no flame no Olympic game
and I also think some of the IOCmemebers are clueless.
As for PA I think he could have been more conscious of many things surrounding the Olympic games but is not. He has no clue that the ancients if here today would be vehemently opposed to the games moving around like a circus and all these individuals making profit from something that is not theirs.
How would you feel if you have a property and others moved it around every four years until you really had no real access to it at all?
As for the nudity paca let 's not be absurd.
But on the other hand all that is divine is within the naked form so how about we keep it there theoretically and think on these other things.
As I hope PA does.
Jaya, I think that you need to make a difference between the ancient games which were also part of religious celebrations of a cult that no longer exists ad the modern Olympics that Coubertin developped as a means of people to get to know each other in a different and peaceful context. So besides the somewhat idealistic view of coubertin, the modern olympics were always in one way or the other a political instrument as well as sportive. Maybe that's how they often enough justified things that they shouldn't. In any case, I believe everyone is aware that the Olympics are not what they used to be, that then again they never were. They have managed to bring out the best and the worst in people, including killing people. The first Olympics I watched were in Munich. I remember Mark Spitz and some other athletes, but I don't recall anything about the hostage taking. At least not clearly but I was only in kindergarden so I may be forgiven. What I want to say though is that mostly we remember the good things, not the bad things. The Olympics were probably in their modern history never quite what Coubertin had in mind, but people are trying and they should be. They should take a new direction, but I don't think that the Greek have acopyright to the olympics. If so then they should have started the modern games and not leave it to a French Baron to breathe new life into them. Just for the record, the early games were actually held at the paris tradefare and the London tradefare. They were much longer and from early on one can argue that there is commercialism involved. I think the Olympics have to find a new way and give a new meaning to them, otherwise people will lose interest not only in the sport, but also in its ideals. And no nation should lay national claims on ideals IMO.